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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: "Deep"? I sure they forbid him from going anywhere near Russia and even Crimea. With a few exceptions, Putin's "I'm a madman capable of anything" routine has everyone in NATO terrified. If Biden even remembers what/where Ukraine is he would overflow dis diapers and his puppeteers are commie-lib-progressive lgbtqxyz pacifists that hate anything military. If Putin nuked Kiev, they would surrender. View Quote I expect as long as Ukraine military mostly stays within their own border it is easy to say that Ukraine is only defending it's borders from an invading army. If Ukraine was/is to go deeper into russia it lends weight to putins bullshit about ukraine wanting to invade russia, and also the lines become a lot more blurry about whether we are helping one country defend itself against invaders or we are helping one side in a mutual war. There will be a lot less support if ukraine goes into russia. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: I agree, but in the statement Trump made I feel he is talking directly to Putin. Letting him know where he stands and he's willing to talk rather than fight for years to come and only death on both sides will be realized. You can fight a war for 20-30 years with no winners or you can sit down like men and talk it out. If Trump becomes President again Putin knows Trump would drop HAMMER on him so he would come to the table and negotiate (pull back forces). Meanwhile Ukraine needs to keep fighting hard and drive the orcs out and back into Russia but that doesn't mean Putin would end it there, he could still pull back forces and use tactical nukes on the Ukraine army as they advance closer to Russia's border wiping them all out, then push his forces back into Ukraine and head north to Kiev to take it. Lots of crazy things can happen.. View Quote Exactly. |
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Originally Posted By GTLandser: That has to be the second most satisfying clip of the war so far, after that clip of the Ka-52 getting schwacked by a Stinger. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By GTLandser: Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
That has to be the second most satisfying clip of the war so far, after that clip of the Ka-52 getting schwacked by a Stinger. You forget Ruskie tanker rocketman |
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Originally Posted By realwar: I agree, but in the statement Trump made I feel he is talking directly to Putin. Letting him know where he stands and he's willing to talk rather than fight for years to come and only death on both sides will be realized. You can fight a war for 20-30 years with no winners or you can sit down like men and talk it out. If Trump becomes President again Putin knows Trump would drop HAMMER on him so he would come to the table and negotiate (pull back forces). Meanwhile Ukraine needs to keep fighting hard and drive the orcs out and back into Russia but that doesn't mean Putin would end it there, he could still pull back forces and use tactical nukes on the Ukraine army as they advance closer to Russia's border wiping them all out, then push his forces back into Ukraine and head north to Kiev to take it. Lots of crazy things can happen.. View Quote As I understand it the current russian military training is still very similar to the soviet training where they train to button up in their vehicles and drive through a nuclear wasteland with nobody to shoot at them. |
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Originally Posted By Naporter: In fairness, it kinda worked the second time round, though that time they had something far more heinous to be ashamed of. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Naporter: Originally Posted By Wulfmann: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Russia needs to be defeated and its people humiliated and ashamed for generations. That is what the British and French decided to do to Germany in 1919. Let's do that! It worked out so well the last time In fairness, it kinda worked the second time round, though that time they had something far more heinous to be ashamed of. The second time around we did what it took to actually win a war something we no longer do. Without nukes we would beat them into the ground and do what we did to make Germany civil Because of nukes we don't get that choice. We will either go nuclear or find a way to settle this so Ukraine feels they won while Russia can "claim" they won Humiliation assures a round 2. AS mentioned Crimea and the 2 eastern provinces become part of Russia (Good riddance) and Ukraine joins NATO This is a lose lose situation that has even worse or worser choices (Misspelled to note how screwed we could become) |
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Originally Posted By TheLurker:
UA artillery strike on dispersed and camouflaged RU position. View Quote LOL, at 23 seconds that T-72B3 was living in a wooden and straw hut. This little piggy made a house of straw.... Thank God they are so stupid to leave their individual tracks in the mud all through those fields. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: Ultimatum has come and gone.
Ukrainians post intercepted orders to level Azovstal View Quote Sad for the UA still there. But sounds like in the end they'll still win. Making Russia destroy the place makes the victory almost pointless. Highly doubt Russia has the means to rebuild it. |
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It's 2022&
Welcome to the Soviet comeback tour. For a short time only! "Cause tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1945." |
Originally Posted By AROKIE: Does Ukraine have any obligation to pay any of the billions loaned so far back?. That is of course they prevail View Quote Russia wants Ukraine's resources. There are some big petroleum deposits and Ukraine is one of the world's breadbaskets. If Ukraine wins thay will have the resources to pay back. |
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Bad things happen in isolated instances in an armed populace, horrific things happen to a disarmed populace. 20th Century Democide https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
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Originally Posted By Prime:
View Quote Yet people here shit on Trump for urging them to reach an agreement before everyone ends up dead. |
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Originally Posted By M-1975:
View Quote Hey guys, they're shelling the house. We should go inside. |
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Originally Posted By Prime:
View Quote Find him and execute him like the others. Disproportionate violence should be met with the same. Perhaps terror attacks in Russia can be a response. |
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The first shipments of the latest round of U.S. military assistance to Ukraine, which includes heavier weapons systems, started arriving in the region over the weekend, according to the Pentagon. The recently approved $800 million in security assistance includes Howitzer artillery systems, 40,000 artillery rounds, armored personnel vehicles and other weapons. A senior U.S. defense official said Monday that four flights of shipments from the assistance package arrived in the region over the weekend with a fifth expected in the next 24 hours. The official did not detail which weapons from the recent package landed in the region first. Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby in a press briefing said the Defense Department expects to start training Ukrainian trainers outside of Ukraine on how to use the U.S.-provided Howitzers in the coming days. The Ukrainian trainers will then return to Ukraine and train more troops. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-weapons-united-states-howitzers/ |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Trump should shut the fuck up.
It's not his call. Its Zelenskyy's. Easy to whine for peace from your Florida home while orcs occupy Kherson and mariupol. |
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Originally Posted By vahog: The Ukrainians have no reason to negotiate because they are winning View Quote You consider that winning? Yes they have had some wins and took back some of their ground. They have also had some major losses, lost most of their ports, cities are still be leveled, and only now is Russia actually starting to make a big push forward. Russian has what 10x the equipment/forces that Ukraine does and they have lost 10%. That means Russia still has 9x the equipment and forces compared to what Ukraine started with. As long as the rest of the world keeps supplying Ukraine with enough equipment I don't think they should negotiate but if there any delay in that equipment or if it stops then they could lose a lot of ground fast. The supply issues is what doomed all the troops moving on Kyiv. The Russian forces left have a strong and secure supply line behind them. That is a completely different type of war than what we just saw. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: 15th richest man in Russia says "this shit's stupid" View Quote Sammy Hagar's in Russia now ? |
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The topic of repayment keeps popping up, so I thought I’d point out something that may have been missed:
The US currently has frozen $100 Billion dollars of Russian assets. There are multiple precedents in recent history where assets the US government froze were liquidated and used for other purposes, such as liquidating certain assets of Afghanistan to pay 9/11 survivors. So, while I’m sure the prices is complex, there is absolutely a path forward there some (or all) of this Russian assets never make it back to Russian hands, snd instead go towards rebuilding Ukraine (and “repaying” countries for assets provided). |
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Originally Posted By rca2222: Did this get posted yet? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/176088/FQqPzxWWUAYrGXc_jpg-2354354.JPG View Quote Ok crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk go back to Ukraine. Deal. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: I agree, but in the statement Trump made I feel he is talking directly to Putin. Letting him know where he stands and he's willing to talk rather than fight for years to come and only death on both sides will be realized. You can fight a war for 20-30 years with no winners or you can sit down like men and talk it out. If Trump becomes President again Putin knows Trump would drop HAMMER on him so he would come to the table and negotiate (pull back forces). Meanwhile Ukraine needs to keep fighting hard and drive the orcs out and back into Russia but that doesn't mean Putin would end it there, he could still pull back forces and use tactical nukes on the Ukraine army as they advance closer to Russia's border wiping them all out, then push his forces back into Ukraine and head north to Kiev to take it. Lots of crazy things can happen.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Trump needs to go away. Russia needs to be defeated and its people humiliated and ashamed for generations. I agree, but in the statement Trump made I feel he is talking directly to Putin. Letting him know where he stands and he's willing to talk rather than fight for years to come and only death on both sides will be realized. You can fight a war for 20-30 years with no winners or you can sit down like men and talk it out. If Trump becomes President again Putin knows Trump would drop HAMMER on him so he would come to the table and negotiate (pull back forces). Meanwhile Ukraine needs to keep fighting hard and drive the orcs out and back into Russia but that doesn't mean Putin would end it there, he could still pull back forces and use tactical nukes on the Ukraine army as they advance closer to Russia's border wiping them all out, then push his forces back into Ukraine and head north to Kiev to take it. Lots of crazy things can happen.. I'm sorry, WTF is there to negotiate? It's simply get the fuck out of our country or we'll kill every last one of you. There, negotiation ended. |
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Originally Posted By Prime:
View Quote Yeah, not surprised by that whatsoever. |
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Daddy loves you. Now go away.
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Originally Posted By realwar: Trucks from Russia and Belarus fleeing from EU before sanctions -- they are no longer allowed in EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYejAhLZSNE View Quote Hopefully they're all empty. |
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I am Government Man, come from the government.
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Originally Posted By realwar: Trucks from Russia and Belarus fleeing from EU before sanctions -- they are no longer allowed in EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYejAhLZSNE View Quote How long until the Russian army commandeers them, they get rolled into Ukraine, and blown up like those that went before them? |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Hey guys, they're shelling the house. We should go inside. View Quote This video like alot of others really emphasizes the UA use of drones at the small unit level. They have a drone operator with effective comms with artillery and infantry squads and the ammo to shell individual enemy squads and coms to carefully direct the capture of individual enemy infantry. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By grambosc: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By Zam18th: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By sq40: Originally Posted By RogueShot12er: Originally Posted By Tuco22: Can this thread go back to being news and stuff. That'd be great. So like page 10? This is just a Ukraine rah rah thread. Nothing wrong with that just don't expect unbiased information if you are following it. It is what it is. 90% of Arfcom is either indifferent or pro Russia. This is really the only thread that is somewhat pro Ukraine. GD is more pro Russia than my Russian wife. It's pathetic. Damn. Is it really that bad? I've been mostly avoiding it out of fear I'll lose a lot of respect for members or this community. I checked it today after having been only in this thread and immediately regretted it. Yes it's that bad. It's bad, but my local real life acquaintances are even worse. I left a conservative gathering last month over the pro Russia parroting, convinced that at some future point we may come to violence over irreconcilable differences. They basically accused anyone not embracing Team Russia of being hostile, and brainwashed, and implied that during an emergency they'd just come help themselves to our preps. Maybe they were joking, but I now have to consider the possibility that I might have to use lethal force to defend myself and family from them at that point. I've cut off all communications cold, and hopefully they'll just move on now. However, I'm glad to have learned their true colors now instead of after a big SHTF event, when I may have hoped for their help. Damn. A "conservative gathering". Going to "help themselves" to your supplies. I will take things that didn't happen for 1,000 Alex. |
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Originally Posted By Piratepast40: I'm sorry, WTF is there to negotiate? It's simply get the fuck out of our country or we'll kill every last one of you. There, negotiation ended. View Quote Negotiating doesn't mean you're going to give in or stop the war. Negotiating means Trump can give Putin an ultimatum if he doesn't pull forces out of Ukraine. I personally think if Trump got elected Putin would pull forces out right before Trump would take office again. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/ac-map-RUSSIAN-NUCLEAR-BOMBERS-NEAR-UKRAINE.jpg?w=960 https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/9b739095-8591-41a1-b0cd-20c5a9877a03.jpg?w=960 The TU-160 strategic bomber was seen in the skies over Western Russia amid huge pressure on the Kremlin over the sinking of the Moskva flagship in the Black Sea. More View Quote The video they got the screenshots from is years old. |
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFGva7yMr94 View Quote I was hoping we were going to get a first person view of a atgm slamming into that orc tank |
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Hansan: "This is a .30 caliber, gas operated, clip fed, semi-automatic rifle....."
Soldier: "Look, you ain't sellin it to me, you're only showing me how it works." |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: Yeah, not surprised by that whatsoever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Prime:
Yeah, not surprised by that whatsoever. What's the driving the May 9th deadline? |
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Originally Posted By realwar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFGva7yMr94 View Quote 1:27 Tree is no longer in my way. |
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Originally Posted By 7empest: There is a GD thread about it but lmao too good not to be added here.. Noam Chomsky: Ukraine must make concessions to Russia's demands Jewish American philosopher and linguist Noam Chomsky said that Ukraine must make concessions to Russian demands, saying that the public must “pay attention to the reality of the world,” in an interview with Current Affairs on Wednesday. “One option is to pursue the policy we are now following… to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian. And yes, we can pursue that policy with the possibility of nuclear war. Or we can face the reality that the only alternative is a diplomatic settlement, which will be ugly – it will give Putin and his narrow circle an escape hatch,” Chomsky said. https://www.jpost.com/international/article-704436 View Quote They ledger out marxist in chomskys description |
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Originally Posted By AeroEngineer: What's the driving the May 9th deadline? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By AeroEngineer: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Prime:
Yeah, not surprised by that whatsoever. What's the driving the May 9th deadline? "May 9 is a prominent holiday on the Russian calendar, a day the country marks the Nazi surrender in World War II with a huge parade of troops and weaponry across Red Square in front of the Kremlin." |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Trump should shut the fuck up. It's not his call. Its Zelenskyy's. Easy to whine for peace from your Florida home while orcs occupy Kherson and mariupol. View Quote Well, we do have a right to an opinion seeing as we are footing most of the bill. That being said, it is money well spent to help people fight for their homeland and destroy one of the last major dictatorships in the world. |
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Originally Posted By Zhukov: Yeah, not surprised by that whatsoever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By Prime:
Yeah, not surprised by that whatsoever. Honestly seems like NATO speculation echoing ARF speculation, if it can be believed at all. |
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Originally Posted By Prime: Originally Posted By M-1975: The Dutch are sending AVs to Ukraine:
Russia kicking out the Dutch |
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: He's an MSNBC twat. Allegedly joined up with the international legion in Ukraine. A useless talking head actually putting his ass on the line? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN: Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance Jan 3 WARNING: 62 days before 1/6 I warned on @RealTimers that Trump would start a political/paramilitary insurgency to seize American democracy. It has begun. I detail the Trump Insurgency in my coming book Not sure what to think about the dude He's an MSNBC twat. Allegedly joined up with the international legion in Ukraine. A useless talking head actually putting his ass on the line? If so, I am surprised that Ukraine accepted him into their international legion without being an actual ground pounder with combat experience. If he's there doing crypto work, I would think it would be tough to avoid conditions of his security clearance. At least he's contributing unlike the Youtube war tourists we've seen. Like that San Francisco dude that used Steve's hunker down theme with a some of the very common theme of travel content. |
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Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Russian civillians should be safe while Ukrainians suffer? Total war is total war. Total war is being waged on Ukraine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cryo_tech: Originally Posted By amanbearpig: Do you even listen to yourself? Russian civillians should be safe while Ukrainians suffer? Total war is total war. Total war is being waged on Ukraine. This guy gets it. |
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Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Trump needs to go away. Russia needs to be defeated and its people humiliated and ashamed for generations. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By FrankyRay: Originally Posted By rca2222: Did this get posted yet? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/176088/FQqPzxWWUAYrGXc_jpg-2354354.JPG Trump needs to go away. Russia needs to be defeated and its people humiliated and ashamed for generations. Trump is falling into the trap that will let the Democrats pound him as a Russian puppet again. “Collusion” charges will get backed up by statements like that, all over again. |
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“This is America damnit! I don’t think we will become like these other countries. I don’t think we can. Courage is too contagious here.” -James O’Keefe, 1/17/22
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Ukraine’s Defence Ministry Spokesman provides latest update on the war
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