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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:15:06 PM EST
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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:15:31 PM EST
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Wow, nice work. Now we all want to see the shotgun effect.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:16:46 PM EST
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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:17:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Europe getting their missile defense improved.  You will see others doing the same.

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You’ll know it’s real when Germany starts building flak towers and Panzers
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:27:47 PM EST
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Assault of the positions of the "undertaker" by the Wolf Pack.

The first part of the work on Uyobka.

In the second part, we will show trophies in the form of "attractors" and their weapons.

Glory to the Armed Forces of Ukraine 🇺🇦

https://instagram.com/wolfpack.group
https://t.me/ukrainian_militant/16263
https://twitter.com/mb85555744/status/1667681273668616192

Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:28:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KELBEAST:


You’ll know it’s real when Germany starts building flak towers and Panzers
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Europe getting their missile defense improved.  You will see others doing the same.



You’ll know it’s real when Germany starts building flak towers and Panzers

It's right about that time of the century...
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:29:33 PM EST
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Signs are looking good ladies and gentlemen.


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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:31:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
If true, that is some karma.



https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1667673111414677504

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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
If true, that is some karma.



https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1667673111414677504

Remember the guy who got eaten by the shark?

I found his video where he mocks Ukrainians. He says: "Well, how are you doing there, free Ukrainians? Do you swim?"

He means the flood in the south of Ukraine and he likes that Ukrainians are drowning.

KARMA 🦈


Is this verified with name and ID? If so I’m gonna call him an ORC so hard in GD.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:39:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Europe getting their missile defense improved.  You will see others doing the same.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FyS0K3AWwAMfZPB?format=jpg&name=medium


Info on the Arrow 3 here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3



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Sounds very spendy. Good on the Krauts.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:39:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:


Canada doesn't have any F-16s. But they do have F-18s. They could certainly help train the Ukrainians to operate the 41 F-18 Hornets the Australians want to donate.
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Originally Posted By thehun06:


Canada doesn’t have F16 capabilities so how are they providing it …


Canada doesn't have any F-16s. But they do have F-18s. They could certainly help train the Ukrainians to operate the 41 F-18 Hornets the Australians want to donate.


I know that but it says f16 … they don’t have them. Lol.

Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:40:30 PM EST
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Is this verified with name and ID? If so I’m gonna call him an ORC so hard in GD.
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
If true, that is some karma.



https://twitter.com/albafella1/status/1667673111414677504

Remember the guy who got eaten by the shark?

I found his video where he mocks Ukrainians. He says: "Well, how are you doing there, free Ukrainians? Do you swim?"

He means the flood in the south of Ukraine and he likes that Ukrainians are drowning.

KARMA 🦈


Is this verified with name and ID? If so I’m gonna call him an ORC so hard in GD.



It was interesting, others in the tweet said it was verified,  because others were asking, but I would wait for more info to be sure.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:44:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thehun06:


I know that but it says f16   they don't have them. Lol.

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In case you hadn't noticed. News papers screw up a lot of times.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:44:46 PM EST
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Major of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the battles near Bakhmut: we managed to advance, we are gaining ground
Former commander of the Azov regiment, Major of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Maxim Zhorin, confirmed the progress of the advance of the 3rd Assault Brigade



Link Posted: 6/10/2023 7:57:12 PM EST
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ISW assessment for June 10th.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-10-2023

Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian forces have tactical advantages in conducting assaults at night due to Western-provided equipment with superior night optics systems. A prominent Russian milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces are launching assaults at night because Western-provided equipment provides Ukrainian forces with “excellent” night vision optics.[13] Zaporizhia Oblast occupation official Vladimir Rogov also claimed that night assaults allow Ukrainian forces to more effectively use Western-provided equipment.[14] Russian sources have widely claimed that Ukrainian forces have started or intensified assaults at night in recent days, and Ukrainian forces may be increasingly leveraging the advantages provided by Western systems.[15]  
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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:04:57 PM EST
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🪖 Zaporozhian direction, after occupying the northern part of the village of Lobkove, the fighters successfully crossed the Yanchekrak River and created a bridgehead near the villages of Zherebyanky, Pyatikhatka and the southern part of the village of Kamianske

Video: Katsap drone captures the creation of a bridgehead. Even under the barrage of enemy artillery, our infantry and armored vehicles continue to occupy positions

UNS➕| Support collection for the Armed Forces

https://t.me/combatfootageua/2257





Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:20:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By stone-age:


Wow, nice work. Now we all want to see the shotgun effect.
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Wow, nice work. Now we all want to see the shotgun effect.







Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:23:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:25:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:
  Zaporozhian direction, after occupying the northern part of the village of Lobkove, the fighters successfully crossed the Yanchekrak River and created a bridgehead near the villages of Zherebyanky, Pyatikhatka and the southern part of the village of Kamianske

Video: Katsap drone captures the creation of a bridgehead. Even under the barrage of enemy artillery, our infantry and armored vehicles continue to occupy positions

UNS | Support collection for the Armed Forces

https://t.me/combatfootageua/2257

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If they exploit that bridgehead well.. it could turn into a very BAD day for the Russkies.  Having that body of water on the flank would be useful
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:34:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:

How about when they hit a mine everyone reversed out until they figure a way to clear or  return and try somewhere else. These mines are dispersed by the dozens and hundreds where one mine is there is guaranteed to be more close by.

I’m no expert obviously but that just seems common sense. Keep at least 50m NO MATTER WHAT.  Is there any doctrine that says when the vehicle in front explodes you drive yours up next to it? Whether it is ATGM, mine or artillery that seems a terrible idea. And if you number 3 and see TWO disabled vehicles that should be double triple plus red flag.

Who didn’t laugh at the Rooskies doing exactly this time and time again?
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Clumping together should never be a thing. And mines should be at the top of explosion suspects. Unless you have a better armored vehicle, you are not providing protection by clumping in a knot about the stricken vehicle.

I doubt they clumped together initially. Probably came up one at a time each hitting a mine. They probably thought the first 3, no 4th, no 5th... vehicles tripped all the mines so they just kept coming. Finding oneself in a minefield, going straight ahead may better than fanning out.

It DOES say something about them that they kept advancing even as shit was blowing up.  In hindsight they should have stopped, backed up, played it safe but counteroffensives and wars are not won that way. What if we heard that the counteroffensive stalled because the first vehicle hit a mine and everyone else backed up and went home?

How about when they hit a mine everyone reversed out until they figure a way to clear or  return and try somewhere else. These mines are dispersed by the dozens and hundreds where one mine is there is guaranteed to be more close by.

I’m no expert obviously but that just seems common sense. Keep at least 50m NO MATTER WHAT.  Is there any doctrine that says when the vehicle in front explodes you drive yours up next to it? Whether it is ATGM, mine or artillery that seems a terrible idea. And if you number 3 and see TWO disabled vehicles that should be double triple plus red flag.

Who didn’t laugh at the Rooskies doing exactly this time and time again?

SOP in Iraq to recover casualties and equipment
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:35:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RockSix:

SOP in Iraq to recover casualties and equipment
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:
Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
Originally Posted By RockNwood:

Clumping together should never be a thing. And mines should be at the top of explosion suspects. Unless you have a better armored vehicle, you are not providing protection by clumping in a knot about the stricken vehicle.

I doubt they clumped together initially. Probably came up one at a time each hitting a mine. They probably thought the first 3, no 4th, no 5th... vehicles tripped all the mines so they just kept coming. Finding oneself in a minefield, going straight ahead may better than fanning out.

It DOES say something about them that they kept advancing even as shit was blowing up.  In hindsight they should have stopped, backed up, played it safe but counteroffensives and wars are not won that way. What if we heard that the counteroffensive stalled because the first vehicle hit a mine and everyone else backed up and went home?

How about when they hit a mine everyone reversed out until they figure a way to clear or  return and try somewhere else. These mines are dispersed by the dozens and hundreds where one mine is there is guaranteed to be more close by.

I'm no expert obviously but that just seems common sense. Keep at least 50m NO MATTER WHAT.  Is there any doctrine that says when the vehicle in front explodes you drive yours up next to it? Whether it is ATGM, mine or artillery that seems a terrible idea. And if you number 3 and see TWO disabled vehicles that should be double triple plus red flag.

Who didn't laugh at the Rooskies doing exactly this time and time again?

SOP in Iraq to recover casualties and equipment
The Russkies usually just ran away. >_>
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:36:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:
This is a SHOW.


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I have to admit, I watched that 8-10 times!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:52:02 PM EST
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and yes there will be ukr losses, but ukr will be able to save most of its troops, reform and refight.  while russian troops are far more likely to not survive in older soviet vehicles.
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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:58:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:
🪖 Zaporozhian direction, after occupying the northern part of the village of Lobkove, the fighters successfully crossed the Yanchekrak River and created a bridgehead near the villages of Zherebyanky, Pyatikhatka and the southern part of the village of Kamianske

Video: Katsap drone captures the creation of a bridgehead. Even under the barrage of enemy artillery, our infantry and armored vehicles continue to occupy positions

UNS➕| Support collection for the Armed Forces

https://t.me/combatfootageua/2257

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FySJVSdWAAE792q?format=jpg&name=small



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Beautiful looking thing they've got going there. I hope they can flow tons of men and material into that pocket and start rapidly enlarging it.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:03:12 PM EST
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Canada doesn’t have F16 capabilities so how are they providing it …
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It did reference "training".

A lot of NATO aircrew training occurs in Canada.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:04:18 PM EST
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🪂👼 Orekhovskoye direction, 22:35, the enemy was seen, but does not stick out after being hit by our Ka-52s. At night, they are active, because Western technology has thermal imaging and night fire systems.

Comrades of the Marines said about the activity of the enemy in Velikaya Novoselovka, but so far there is also a lull, most likely, they will try to do something at night.

Good luck to everyone in the area.

Contact Athlete.

https://t.me/rusich_army/9331

Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:06:28 PM EST
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History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes...Hopefully a better follow up than 1916

Unless Russia has been hiding a couple dozen fully equipped and manned BTGs it's going to get awfully exciting soon.

Also, if you want to see how elaborate, meticulously prepared defenses without reserves do in modern warfare...Stealing a page from Russia's own playbook
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:14:05 PM EST
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Sounds like there have been positive developments.

Waiting with bated breath....
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:15:18 PM EST
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Ah, Sun Tzu "The opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself."  Or at least a variation of.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:17:36 PM EST
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Not seeing this onTwitter yet, but….close one.

🌐 Place: #Bakhmut
🗓 Date: ~05.2023
🇺🇦 Unit: ?
📌 Geolocation:
📂 Description: Fortune smiled on our fighters. Near arrival. Bakhmut, Donetsk region
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https://t.me/WarArchive_ua/1685
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:18:17 PM EST
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Lmao!
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:20:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99:
Roughly $35 per package plus 3.50 per pound I think.

Meest.com is who I used. Easy to get a quote there. You will use FedEx or UPS to ship it to Meest Warehouse in NJ, and they ship to Ukraine from there. 10-15 days transit.
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Originally Posted By CenterMass762:
Any guys who have sent care packages... What's the ballpark shipping cost for a ~10lb box to Ukraine? I don't have the first clue. I have more stuff I could donate than money, at the moment.
Roughly $35 per package plus 3.50 per pound I think.

Meest.com is who I used. Easy to get a quote there. You will use FedEx or UPS to ship it to Meest Warehouse in NJ, and they ship to Ukraine from there. 10-15 days transit.


Thank you, sir.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:22:12 PM EST
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History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes...Hopefully a better follow up than 1916

Unless Russia has been hiding a couple dozen fully equipped and manned BTGs it's going to get awfully exciting soon.

Also, if you want to see how elaborate, meticulously prepared defenses without reserves do in modern warfare...Stealing a page from Russia's own playbook
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History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes...Hopefully a better follow up than 1916

Unless Russia has been hiding a couple dozen fully equipped and manned BTGs it's going to get awfully exciting soon.

Also, if you want to see how elaborate, meticulously prepared defenses without reserves do in modern warfare...Stealing a page from Russia's own playbook


Such fantastical numbers of men and equipment involved. With the context of what we see today it’s hard to imagine the wholesale carnage of thee Eastern Front, and I’ve read a lot of memoirs. It’s almost like funny money.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:23:45 PM EST
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Has anyone been outside the boat? What’s it like our there?

I’m hunkering by my laptop in the engine room here
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:26:34 PM EST
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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:32:35 PM EST
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Has anyone been outside the boat? What's it like our there?

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Quiet the last two days. The week before that was as bad as I've ever seen it with the F Ukraine rhetoric. Everything was Ukraine Ukraine Ukraine.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:32:45 PM EST
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Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:34:52 PM EST
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That video looks like a cut scene from COD.   To me, that means squat.
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It doesn't have enough vaseline on the lens.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:43:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Prime:
This is a SHOW.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FySY9dOWIAEabcD?format=jpg&name=large

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Anyone in those woods nearby is having a really bad day.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:47:19 PM EST
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Needs more tungsten bb's
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:47:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Freiheit8472:
Has anyone been outside the boat? What’s it like our there?

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Took a peek.



Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:57:04 PM EST
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A modern day zoo tower with retractable launchers would be slick.

Would take a beating too.

Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:58:32 PM EST
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You’ll know it’s real when Germany starts building flak towers and Panzers
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Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
Europe getting their missile defense improved.  You will see others doing the same.



You’ll know it’s real when Germany starts building flak towers and Panzers


Did the US lift export restrictions on Arrow 3?

Last I heard they were blocking export to the Germans.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 10:00:27 PM EST
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"The Crimea 500"

begs for a meme
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 10:37:59 PM EST
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⚡️ Operational information as of 06.00 on 11.06.2023 regarding the Russian invasion

❗️ The main summary:

➡️ During the past day, the Russian occupiers launched another missile and air strike against Ukraine, using 8 missiles, in particular, 4 Iskander land-based cruise missiles, and 35 Iranian attack UAVs of the "Shahed" type against military facilities and critical infrastructure facilities.
Air defense forces and means destroyed 2 cruise missiles and 20 attack UAVs of the "Shahed" type.

➡️ In addition, the enemy carried out 92 airstrikes and 45 attacks from rocket salvo systems.

➡️ The enemy continues to focus its main efforts on attempts to fully occupy the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, heavy fighting continues. During the past 24 hours, 35 combat clashes took place on the indicated section of the front.

➡️ Due to the lack of a legal norm regarding the deadlines for completing military service after mobilization in the Russian army, the lack of significant achievements on the battlefield, and the spread of panic about future prospects, cases of non-compliance with orders, sabotage, non-statutory relationships, and desertion have become more frequent among Russian mobilized. To solve these problems, the Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation made a decision according to which commanders of units and military units were ordered to identify and second such persons to assault companies for their further use in so-called "meat assaults".

🔥 Over the past day, the aviation of the defense forces has struck 16 strikes on areas where personnel are concentrated and 2 strikes on the enemy's anti-aircraft missile systems.

🔥 Also, our defenders destroyed 4 enemy reconnaissance UAVs of various types.

🔥 During the day, units of missile troops and artillery struck 2 control points, 5 areas of concentration of manpower, weapons and military equipment, 1 artillery unit in a firing position and 4 more important enemy objects.

Support the Armed Forces! Together we will win!✊
Glory to Ukraine!🇺🇦

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"nonstatutory relationships" are being sent to the front for meat assaults?

Link Posted: 6/10/2023 10:39:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ludder093:
I'm all for kicking them out of nato.  Fuck em.
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
I'm all for kicking them out of nato.  Fuck em.

I'll be a contrarian here. If it gets POWs out of Russia, it's a good thing. Hungary isn't holding them prisoner, are they? I haven't read anything that says they are. Nor did I see anything that said they are to be "interned" for the duration of hostilities. I think there is still information missing, and I'm willing to withhold judgment until I know more. For now, 11 POWs out of Russia's hands is a small win, even if it comes as part of the Russian Orthodox Church trying to give an appearance of being something other than just a tool for Putin. Except they fail at that anyway, LOL. They still look like Putin's tool, fostering dissent in Hungary and Europe. Russia WANTS Europe divided. Don't give Putin what he wants, which is an ally in the EU. Congratulate Hungary for helping rescue POWs from Russia's hands, and encourage them to do the right thing.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 10:39:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thehun06:


I know that but it says f16 … they don’t have them. Lol.

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Canada doesn’t have F16 capabilities so how are they providing it …


Canada doesn't have any F-16s. But they do have F-18s. They could certainly help train the Ukrainians to operate the 41 F-18 Hornets the Australians want to donate.


I know that but it says f16 … they don’t have them. Lol.



The Canada “Military” doesn’t have F-16s….but a Canada company, Top Aces, does have some.
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctech/articles/0,7340,L-3877557,00.html


Top Aces is a privately owned company and the exclusive adversary air provider to the Canadian and German armed forces. We employ a growing team of highly skilled personnel based in the geographies where we serve our clients. Our more than 40 fighter pilots hail from the Canadian, German and American armed forces and 80% of them are Top Gun Fighter Weapons School graduates. We are proud and fortunate to employ many veterans who, along with the entire Top Aces team, contribute to delivering our purpose and values every day under the highest possible technical and operational airworthiness standards.

Link Posted: 6/10/2023 10:40:19 PM EST
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Done
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Originally Posted By 4xGM300m:
https://i.imgur.com/ZRNj3PL.jpg

Worth some reposts.

Someone needs to use that last panel as an avatar.

Done

Link Posted: 6/10/2023 10:47:21 PM EST
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This is a brutal hit.
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Originally Posted By RockNwood:The EU is a bad idea. It was supposed to be a common market/trade organization. But that morphed as designed to be common central bank and currency and loans, which are used as hammers to force political and social policies. A non-democratic ruling power. Any country that values sovereignty won’t find it in the EU.
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To be clear, the EU is intended to be a "United States of Europe." EU goes way, WAY beyond the common market that was set up a generation ago. There's an EU constitution (that was not ratified by popular vote, but by the legislatures of member states), and it goes way beyond the US constitution in creating a central government. The scope of EU legislative power far exceeds what the old US constitution does (from pre-Wickard v Filburn days, anyway), and the people don't get a direct say in who represents them in Brussels. Resistance to EU social policy is totally appropriate.

IMO, when this is all over there should be a new Warsaw Pact, excluding Russia. Let eastern Europe govern their own social policy, since they're less in line with the "progressives" in Brussels.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 10:57:06 PM EST
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Towed arty. Good shoot.
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