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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:27:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: OK boys, this is how far we need to extend our runway for drunk Russian pilots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3985-2968294.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3984-2968296.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By RockNwood: 140 dead. Good riddance.
OK boys, this is how far we need to extend our runway for drunk Russian pilots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3985-2968294.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3984-2968296.jpg That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:31:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By RockNwood: 140 dead. Good riddance.
OK boys, this is how far we need to extend our runway for drunk Russian pilots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3985-2968294.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3984-2968296.jpg That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! Might just need a vacuum for the ashes. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Breakup of the fuselage at relatively high speed and immediate post-crash fire, that could easily be 95-100% casualties. Add to that an armored vehicle coming loose, and cargo and people flying around. A few dudes were probably thrown clear, but most probably died. Also note that this was one of the Ministry of Emergency Situations fleet of 6 IL-76s. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:33:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:34:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:45:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Mali - Wagner IL-76 landing ridiculously long and overrunning the runway on landing. Note that the accident takes place right in front of what appears to be an Airbus A400 transport, likely French military. Hotdogging?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUnPmt_zDxgInteresting. Runway is 8000’ long. Not great, but not terrible. Unfortunately he wasted half of it. You can tell they are too fast, and the pilot has no appreciation for energy management, short field technique, large aircraft inertia, etc. Maybe Wagner is having a hard time recruiting pilots these days? - I just realized, He might have flown a fast/steep “tactical approach” out of fear of Western AA manpads.  Either way, that was some really bad flying. Ref+ 20 to 80 kts You just can’t do that in big airplanes. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:47:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By RockNwood: 140 dead. Good riddance.
OK boys, this is how far we need to extend our runway for drunk Russian pilots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3985-2968294.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3984-2968296.jpg That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! Not really. The pilot was really considerate of the ground crews, and put the mess well out of the traffic lanes. Airport cleanup crew can take there time, airport operations will be unaffected. 
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:52:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I've been working for your biggest competitor for 34 years.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Retired. It was disgusting to see Intel, Cisco and others build the population surveillance and internet controls for China in the early 2000s, which I assume is now built into all internet software and hardware across the globe. A small part of my job was localizing external web content so I became familiar visually with a lot of languages and intimately familiar with privacy laws. Most of my job was managing analytics project and servers for sales in the Americas. I was in the home stretch for retirement so held my nose, and took the first early out I qualified for. All multinationals are evil empire. No good ones from what I have seen. I've been working for your biggest competitor for 34 years. Hey, team red!  I just finished up installing and pasting a Ryzen 5800X in one of my systems I'm rebuilding at the moment. It had a 5600X in it, but since I had a 5800X lying around unused, I decided to upgrade while I had everything taken apart. Fingers are currently smeared with Kryonaut as I type.  |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: S-300 launcher with SM's Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
sm6 trying the cue off of a S300 radar be like  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:14:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GBTX01]
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu:Not really. The pilot was really considerate of the ground crews, and put the mess well out of the traffic lanes. Airport cleanup crew can take there time, airport operations will be unaffected. Exactly. Neatly departed the runway and apron to go burn quietly up in a field and not obstruct operations. Very genteel. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:22:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MarineGrunt]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Interesting. How long is that Runway? You can tell they are too fast, and the pilot has no appreciation for energy management, short field technique, large aircraft inertia, etc. Maybe Wagner is having a hard time recruiting pilots these days? 8200ft. That’s PLENTY for the vast majority of transport category aircraft. But I guess when you touch down with only about 2500’ remaining, it gets a little sporty! I didn’t see any speed brakes deploy on touchdown… anyone know if the IL76 has them? I’m guessing with that armored truck on board they were heavyweight, so they weren’t gonna stop on a dime.. yikes. Hopefully it was packed full of Wagnerites.. “Go-aroundski!” |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:23:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Saltwater-Hillbilly]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: Might just need a vacuum for the ashes. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: Originally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By RockNwood: 140 dead. Good riddance.
OK boys, this is how far we need to extend our runway for drunk Russian pilots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3985-2968294.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3984-2968296.jpg That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! Might just need a vacuum for the ashes. And a rake to separate out the bone fragments and melted balls of remaining personal effects. If you get on THAT detail, don't eat anything for breakfast you don't want to see again |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:26:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MFP_4073]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7ERQiyWEAA54sb?format=jpg&name=medium dude that fireball has to be a solid 150M across not a good day to be a bad guy any context on that conflict ? |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:27:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:29:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtGb8SqXgAEUS0R?format=png&name=small
Known about this for a while, it's not classified. You can buy copies of it right outside the gate at FT. Rucker. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:31:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Known about this for a while, it's not classified. You can buy copies of it right outside the gate at FT. Rucker. Yeah, they go into that, hence the word "restricted". |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:33:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I've been working for your biggest competitor for 34 years. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Retired. It was disgusting to see Intel, Cisco and others build the population surveillance and internet controls for China in the early 2000s, which I assume is now built into all internet software and hardware across the globe. A small part of my job was localizing external web content so I became familiar visually with a lot of languages and intimately familiar with privacy laws. Most of my job was managing analytics project and servers for sales in the Americas. I was in the home stretch for retirement so held my nose, and took the first early out I qualified for. All multinationals are evil empire. No good ones from what I have seen. I've been working for your biggest competitor for 34 years. Good! The world needs competition in key industries. It is phenomenal what leading wafer/chip manufacturers are doing. 😁 Eastern Europe could use some chip capability. The UK has ARM and Israel has at least some design capability. I am not aware of any EE country having chip manufacturing. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyC: Oh snap! NERD FIGHT!!!! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyC: Originally Posted By Zhukov: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Retired. It was disgusting to see Intel, Cisco and others build the population surveillance and internet controls for China in the early 2000s, which I assume is now built into all internet software and hardware across the globe. A small part of my job was localizing external web content so I became familiar visually with a lot of languages and intimately familiar with privacy laws. Most of my job was managing analytics project and servers for sales in the Americas. I was in the home stretch for retirement so held my nose, and took the first early out I qualified for. All multinationals are evil empire. No good ones from what I have seen. I've been working for your biggest competitor for 34 years. Oh snap! NERD FIGHT!!!! Don’t make me dust off the PowerPoints! 
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:34:31 PM EDT
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Pretty bad photoshop.
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:37:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Barely damaged. Airplanes hit mountains and cruise missiles all the time. And there’s no proof of a fire in those pictures. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By RockNwood: OK boys, this is how far we need to extend our runway for drunk Russian pilots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3985-2968294.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3984-2968296.jpg Barely damaged. Airplanes hit mountains and cruise missiles all the time. And there’s no proof of a fire in those pictures. Uh oh, someone didn’t take the decontamination shower coming through the airlock from GD! Dogpile KELBEAST and give him the normalizing IQ shot for overexposure to GD. Well played 😁 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Not to mention that something on the order of 70-80% of the Chinese municipal and provincial funding is channeled through property lease/sales. Things are getting sporty in China.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Posting as global situational awareness since China is one of the two primary suppliers to Russia and purchasers of gas/oil. Real estate investments through companies like Evergrande are about 70+% of individuals’ personal savings. according to people with knowledge of the matter. Hui was taken away by Chinese police earlier this month and is being monitored at a designated location, the people said, asking not to be identified because the matter is private. (The man in charge of a publicly trade Ponzi scheme with hundreds of billions in debt - is probably not a private matter 😎 but another massive embarrassment for the beleaguered dictator #XiJinping and his kleptocratic regime, who has over a million of his ethnic citizens in #ConcentrationCamps in 2023). Not to mention that something on the order of 70-80% of the Chinese municipal and provincial funding is channeled through property lease/sales. Things are getting sporty in China. Ouch. I’m sure the CCP could care less about ma and pa in their half finished 300 sqft apartment, but crashing the cities could get sporty. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: I presume the flight crew didn't survive, which is a bummer as they might have been able to do that again. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: Originally Posted By 4xGM300m: Originally Posted By RockNwood: 140 dead. Good riddance.
/media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/1zvslystz4-7.gif I presume the flight crew didn't survive, which is a bummer as they might have been able to do that again.  . No, no Boris, let me try again. I hit landing like Looney-25 landed on moon. Now I can definitely land this pig…but there is a nuance. Hand me the flight manual again. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:44:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By RockNwood: 140 dead. Good riddance.
OK boys, this is how far we need to extend our runway for drunk Russian pilots. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3985-2968294.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3984-2968296.jpg That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! Yeah. Going to need 140 buckets for the remains. Small buckets. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:49:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Randy toils in the swamp of ignorance slaying every day. Tirelessly highlighting the stupid that hurts. Matt, you look better in you Barbie pinko outfit.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3980-2968276.jpg Where's the picture/graph of all the Russian children kidnapped by Ukraine? There isn't one. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:50:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GBTX01:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7ERQiyWEAA54sb?format=jpg&name=medium That looks spectacular!!! Another IL-76 loaded with Wagnerites and their vodka? Looks spread over a wide area. Fuel farm? |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: That had to hurt! That crash clean-up is going to be messy! It's Africa they're not going to clean that shit up. It'll still be there 45 years from now. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:51:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: 8200ft. That’s PLENTY for the vast majority of transport category aircraft. But I guess when you touch down with only about 2500’ remaining, it gets a little sporty! I didn’t see any speed brakes deploy on touchdown… anyone know if the IL76 has them? I’m guessing with that armored truck on board they were heavyweight, so they weren’t gonna stop on a dime.. yikes. Hopefully it was packed full of Wagnerites.. “Go-aroundski!” Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarineGrunt: Originally Posted By BillofRights: Interesting. How long is that Runway? You can tell they are too fast, and the pilot has no appreciation for energy management, short field technique, large aircraft inertia, etc. Maybe Wagner is having a hard time recruiting pilots these days? 8200ft. That’s PLENTY for the vast majority of transport category aircraft. But I guess when you touch down with only about 2500’ remaining, it gets a little sporty! I didn’t see any speed brakes deploy on touchdown… anyone know if the IL76 has them? I’m guessing with that armored truck on board they were heavyweight, so they weren’t gonna stop on a dime.. yikes. Hopefully it was packed full of Wagnerites.. “Go-aroundski!” Famous last words in every Russian tower. 😂 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:54:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By William_lxix: Also known as compounding issues. Kinda like tolerance stacking. Sometimes it can be ONE item that causes a massive failure, but its likely many issues & failings. Correct. I do root cause analysis for a living. For the tough ones, it is usually a combination of uncommon occurences. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:58:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Known about this for a while, it's not classified. You can buy copies of it right outside the gate at FT. Rucker. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DASJUDEN: Originally Posted By Prime: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtGb8SqXgAEUS0R?format=png&name=small
Known about this for a while, it's not classified. You can buy copies of it right outside the gate at FT. Rucker. Good. But I wouldn’t want to fuck around and piss off Apache pilots. 😂 Be looking in my rear view mirror the next 20 years for that mast to poke up behind some hill. Or a “knock” on my windows at night. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:03:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
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🍏 Apple added the Ukrainian language to its translator - now the application supports 20 languages.
The update was made simultaneously with the release of the new mobile operating system iOS 17. Channel 24 https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1707132264272855380 |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:04:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jough43: Where's the picture/graph of all the Russian children kidnapped by Ukraine? There isn't one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jough43: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Randy toils in the swamp of ignorance slaying every day. Tirelessly highlighting the stupid that hurts. Matt, you look better in you Barbie pinko outfit.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_3980-2968276.jpg Where's the picture/graph of all the Russian children kidnapped by Ukraine? There isn't one. Yeah, good point that doesn’t get brought up in the media. Russia claims they have taken 700k kids. May be exaggerated but emphasizes their complete immorality. Some Republicans seem to forget Russia is safe by Western self-imposed red lines. The Russian people are hardly noticing the war as it is all happening in Ukraine. As are all the atrocities. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:08:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Saltwater-Hillbilly: And a rake to separate out the bone fragments and melted balls of remaining personal effects. If you get on THAT detail, don't eat anything for breakfast you don't want to see again I’m SURE Russians will use the same due diligence and care with these human remains in Mali that they show in repatriating their war dead from Ukraine… In other words they’ll bulldoze the debris field into a pit. If that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:10:19 PM EDT
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No solid cause determined yet. Customs warehouse.
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:11:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HIPPO]
[#35]
oh my god, no way, that’s crazy |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By weptek911: I’m SURE Russians will use the same due diligence and care with these human remains in Mali that they show in repatriating their war dead from Ukraine… In other words they’ll bulldoze the debris field into a pit. If that. In all fairness, this would be the perfect time to make meat cubes and ship them back to Russia |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:14:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: It’s hilarious how hard it is to distinguish if catastrophes are due to Russian maintenance, operation, corrupt theft of parts, sabotage or enemy action. All are equal possibilities! 😂😂😂 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Originally Posted By stanprophet09: Originally Posted By RockNwood: 140 dead. Good riddance.
Seems like Wagner Group and the Russians as a whole have been having some very bad Aeronautical luck. Or good luck depending on perspective! It’s hilarious how hard it is to distinguish if catastrophes are due to Russian maintenance, operation, corrupt theft of parts, sabotage or enemy action. All are equal possibilities! 😂😂😂 To me, it looked like nothing more than bad pilot technique. The flat pitch attitude as he was trying to “fly it onto the runway” for half the runway, is proof of excess airspeed. Big planes have to be flown by the numbers. Inertia is your enemy. Of course, any number of mechanical issues could have contributed. Any pilot can screw up, but that looked to me, like someone with very little experience in big planes, trying to do some OJT. Obviously, he should have gone around. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:15:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: You're making a huge assumption that the vehicle was secured by a loadmaster and not simply relying on the parking brake. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CS223: Originally Posted By Capta: Breakup of the fuselage at relatively high speed and immediate post-crash fire, that could easily be 95-100% casualties. Add to that an armored vehicle coming loose, and cargo and people flying around. A few dudes were probably thrown clear, but most probably died. Also note that this was one of the Ministry of Emergency Situations fleet of 6 IL-76s. 
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: I've been working for your biggest competitor for 34 years. Athlon must have been interesting to witness. I was an early adopter with the 650. Still remember the day they broke the gigahertz barrier. Hell they release it a few hours early as a just in case I tell did the same. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:17:55 PM EDT
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CO, USA
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:18:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Swampgrass: Was that the arfcomer who took off to Russia? Couldn't see what year on those tweets. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:31:06 PM EDT
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Back around the start of our 3 day SMO, @m35ben suggested HEB cane sugar cola for whisky. Every time I went into HEB I looked for them, but they were always out. Finally got some tonight.
So while I'm trolling through our discussion and twits from Ukraine, we finna find out with this as an accompaniment.  Sto lat! |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:41:24 PM EDT
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Article from the end of last year, so it's a little dated
Russia assembles ‘shadow fleet’ of tankers to help blunt oil sanctions Russia has quietly amassed a fleet of more than 100 ageing tankers to help circumvent western restrictions on Russian oil sales following its invasion of Ukraine, according to shipping brokers and analysts. Shipping broker Braemar estimates Moscow, which relies heavily on foreign tankers to transport its crude, has added more than 100 ships this year, through direct or indirect purchases. Energy consultancy Rystad says Russia has added 103 tankers in 2022 through purchases and the reallocation of ships servicing Iran and Venezuela, two countries under western oil embargoes. The Kremlin’s push to assemble what the oil shipping industry calls Russia’s “shadow fleet” is an attempt to overcome new international curbs on the country’s oil. These include an EU ban on seaborne imports, which comes into force on Monday, and a new global price cap of $60 per barrel, which the bloc backed on Friday and is part of a broader G7 initiative. Traders say the shadow fleet will reduce the impact of such measures, but will fall short of eliminating it. ..... Instead it aims to use its new fleet to try to supply countries such as India, China and Turkey that have become bigger buyers of its oil as Europe has cut back. The largely anonymous tanker purchases can be tracked by the big increase in unnamed or new buyers appearing in registries. The vessels are generally 12-15 years old and would be expected to be scrapped in the next few years, said Anoop Singh, head of tanker research at Braemar. “These are buyers that we, as longstanding brokers, are not familiar with,” Singh said. “We are confident that the majority of these vessels are destined for Russia.” ..... Andrei Kostin, head of Russia’s state-owned bank VTB, appeared to confirm the push in October by saying the country needed to spend “at least Rs1tn ($16.2bn)” for “the tanker fleet’s expansion”. Russian deputy prime minister Alexander Novak in March said the country would build up its “supply chains” in oil. The Kremlin did not respond to a request to comment on the tanker purchases on Friday. “The number of vessels Russia will need to move all its oil is just eye-watering,” said Craig Kennedy, a Russian oil expert at Harvard’s Davis Center who has been tracking the build-up of Russian vessels. “We’ve seen quite a number of sales to unnamed buyers in recent months, and a few weeks after the sale many of these tankers pop up in Russia to take their first load of crude.” ..... Braemar expects the Russian shortfall to be between 700,000 and 1.5mn barrels a day. Rystad estimates Russia will be short of 60 to 70 tankers, and expects seaborne exports to fall about 200,000 b/d. Total Russian volumes lost to the market may eventually reach 600,000 b/d if Moscow retaliates by cutting oil supplies running through pipelines to Europe — which are not subject to sanctions — before it has enough tankers to reroute them, Rystad said. “Russia needs more than 240 tankers to keep its current exports flowing,” said Viktor Kurilov, analyst at Rystad. Kennedy at the Harvard Davis Centre added: “You can come up with all sorts of clever schemes but there’s just so much oil to move — they’re always going to struggle to operate at the scale necessary to keep Russian exports whole, absent price cap sales.” https://www.ft.com/content/cdef936b-852e-43d8-ae55-33bcbbb82eb6 From February- Greece Is Making a Killing Selling Ships to Russia Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Greece’s mighty shipping sector has continued to earn good money shipping Russian oil. But Greek shipowners have discovered an apparently even more lucrative source of revenue: selling the ships themselves to mysterious buyers linked to Russia. One publication has declared that a “Great Greek Tanker Sale” is taking place, and no price seems too high for a secondhand tanker. But the formerly Greek ships are entering a Hades-like shadow economy. Greek companies don’t rule many sectors of the globalized economy, but they certainly dominate shipping. Last year, the country was once again the world’s largest shipowner by deadweight tonnage. Then Russia invaded Ukraine, and Western governments ramped up their sanctions. Greek shipowners didn’t like it. “Sanctions have never worked,” Greek shipping magnate George Prokopiou told a maritime event crowd last June. ..... According to the Institute of International Finance’s chief economist, Robin Brooks, Greek ships currently account for almost 50 percent of tanker capacity out of Russian ports, up from 33 percent before the invasion. Companies based in countries that have imposed price caps on Russian oil are allowed to ship oil if it is priced below the cap. In Russia’s crucial Baltic Sea and Black Sea ports, seven Greek companies have collectively shipped 50 percent more Russian oil than Russia’s state-owned Sovcomflot, the Wall Street Journal reported. But now many Greek shipowners have decided that they can profit even more by selling the ships. Sales began soaring in February 2022, and there’s “demand for tankers, for older tankers across the world, particularly in jurisdictions unencumbered by sanctions against Russia,” the trade publication TradeWinds explained. In the 12 months since then, Greek owners have sold some 125 crude and vessel carriers to the tune of $4 billion. In June, Hellenic Shipping News reported that Greek companies had sold 97 tankers sold so far this year, 25 percent of the world total. That puts Greece in the top spot, followed by China in second position. According to figures exclusively provided to me by the consultancy VesselsValue, which tracks ship sales, Greek companies have sold 290 ships since the beginning of the war. Chinese firms are second, with 221 vessels. Russian companies have sold 57 ships, but mostly to other Russian firms or unknown buyers. In 2022, the number of Suezmax tankers changing owners doubled compared to 2021, reaching 103, while Aframax sales rose by 30 percent, to 121. (Suezmax and Aframax tankers are the third- and fourth-largest types of crude oil carriers, respectively.) These ship types are “the ship size of choice for moving Russian cargoes,” a shipping executive told S&P Global Commodities Insight, because “not all ports in Russia can berth bigger ships.” Post-invasion sales include the Aframax tanker Seatrust, which the Greek firm Thenamaris sold for a reported $35 million—more than three times what Thenamaris had paid for it eight years earlier. Another Greek firm has sold its four oldest crude carriers for a total of $140 million, causing a shipping executive to observe to an industry publication that “there has never been a tanker market like this.” Despite the good news for the sellers, the generous buyers’ identities have mostly not been announced. The buyers now rushing to pay a premium for secondhand tankers are, in fact, decidedly mysterious. Companies based in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) have bought the most Greek tankers, followed by buyers in China, Turkey, and India. S&P Global Market Intelligence reports that 2022 saw the creation of an astounding 864 maritime companies with an association or link to Russia. My research assistant, Katherine Camberg, has traced more than two dozen formerly Greek-owned vessels to new owners often so obscure that they even lack a mailing address. Despite not being known as a global seafaring hub, the UAE’s starring role in the tanker purchases is not surprising. Since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, Dubai has established itself as “the new Geneva”—in other words, the capital for companies trading Russian oil. China has stepped up its Russian oil imports since the invasion, and Hong Kong has joined the UAE as a new oil-trading hub. Turkey, too, has increased its imports of Russian oil, and one of the Greek tankers’ known buyers is Turkey’s BEKS Ship Management & Trading. Its recently acquired ex-Greek tankers have in recent weeks been seen on the site MarineTraffic.com traveling to and from ports including Russia’s Vysotsk, Kavkaz, and Novorossiysk; Algeria’s Arzew; and Turkey’s Tuzla. India has also massively increased its Russian oil imports, and the country is home to Gatik Ship Management, one of the suddenly active companies now doing massive business linked to Russian oil. Last year, the company went on a used-vessel buying spree, acquiring five Suezmaxes and 16 Aframaxes, as well as several smaller tankers for refined fuel and one VLCC (very large crude carrier, one size up from the Suezmax). In total, Gatik has acquired 60 ships since the beginning of the war, including a Suezmax for $42 million, an Aframax for $39.5 million, and $30 million each for at least 19 other ships, VesselsValue’s figures show. But since late spring, Gatik has transferred its tankers to “a web of related companies,” the Indian Express reported last month—“an attempt by Gatik’s benefactors to make tracking of the entire operation difficult and keeping the activity opaque.” Camberg traced some of the vessels to new owners whose only footprint is a name, if that. ..... https://foreignpolicy.com/2023/09/11/greece-russia-tankers-oil-sanctions/ An example. Was in Rostov on the morning of the 25th.  The whole SANAR series is interesting, because they're a collection of dissimilar ships built from 2000, 2004, 2005, 2010, 2012, and 2015, in no discernible order. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:46:18 PM EDT
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Do I get to be the first to post this video?!?
Abrams made it to Ukraine  Abrams made it to Ukraine |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:47:06 PM EDT
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Ukraine aid still intact. The Republicans make a big show of protesting Continuing Resolution for kicking the budget can down the road a month at a time. But ever since they caved to Clinton in 1998 I have not seen them actually hold out for anything substantial. Nobody gets into office, or stays in office, trying to control spending. Proven fact. The budget will pass and it will have everything the Democrats want PLUS a few more things the Republican leaders want.
McCarthy will get some earmarks and everyone will be happy. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:47:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:48:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ClichedUsername: Do I get to be the first to post this video?!? Abrams made it to Ukraine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ZT0DjHm8Qlol, you are the first, I get a laugh every time with these.
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:50:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlmightyTallest:
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:52:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Back around the start of our 3 day SMO, @m35ben suggested HEB cane sugar cola for whisky. Every time I went into HEB I looked for them, but they were always out. Finally got some tonight. So while I'm trolling through our discussion and twits from Ukraine, we finna find out with this as an accompaniment. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/IMG_4694_JPG-2968589.jpg Sto lat! |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KELBEAST: Barely damaged. Airplanes hit mountains and cruise missiles all the time. And there’s no proof of a fire in those pictures. LOL! I see what you did there. |
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