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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Thank you Jozsi. Basically Brussels/EU want to eliminate Hungarian sovereignty and shove their woke bullshit down everyone's throats. View Quote One of the most frustrating things about this whole thing is watching libs and the EU insist on keeping up unlimited immigration no matter the consequences for Ukraine. Is bringing in another boatload of migrants really worth having pro-Putin parties win elections and screw over Ukraine? Edit: got first page, 4960! |
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Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: It seems the dems are quite willing to assist the fringe lunatics in the republican party in completely destroying what remains of the party. Matt Gaetz can eat shit and die. View Quote >born too late to explore the world >both too early to explore the galaxy >born just in time to watch someone you dislike experience pure misery in real time as his professional ambitions are ripped from him purely so a congressman from Florida can send out fundraising emails |
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Originally Posted By Prime: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_3778-2976249.jpg https://t.me/combatfootageua/7638 View Quote |
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"the science" /duh si-ens/ noun: progressive postmodern religious dogma not based in tested hypothesis or facts used to advance an authoritative political ideology
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Originally Posted By apr67: I truly believe a country shouldn't coerce any specific language be spoken. Not speaking the majority language already imparts enough issues that truly it makes no sense to make issue of it at all. View Quote As I understand it, there is no restriction on speaking languages other than Ukrainian. The law as Jozsi described requires that official schooling be done in Ukrainian. The idea that people are getting rounded up and jailed for speaking Hungarian is Orban BS, AFAIK. |
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https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1709322801549557973
‼️ Novoprokopivka Zaporizhzhia Region... Local tg channels report that the village has come under the control of the Armed Forces. 🇺🇦 Donbas |
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Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: That is the most badass prosthetic I've ever seen View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By trapsh00ter99: Originally Posted By Prime: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/203719/IMG_3778-2976249.jpg https://t.me/combatfootageua/7638 I would mount a Red Dot on it |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO: ~4:00 video
View Quote Ben Hodges is a pro-Ukrainian version of Douglas MacGregor. Prove me wrong. Opposite sides of the same coin. |
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Fuck Matt Gaetz. |
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Originally Posted By xd675: Is this something like the us federal system where Hungarian tax payers are paying tax to the EU level of government and the EU is holding those funds until it feels the state of Hungary is complying with its dictates to get its federal allocation back? View Quote It's a bit more than that. The wealthy nations of EU are effectively subsidizing the poorer nations with handouts. Greece, post-Soviet nations tend to be the Free Stuff Army of Europe. EU puts a lot of strings on their handouts in terms of setting social policy standards. Gun control is one of them, along with the immigration stuff Jozsi rightly complains about. Eastern European nations might be inclined to somewhat more conservative policy approaches, but their hands are tied in Brussels. It's one of the reasons I'd like to see a Warsaw Pact for giving better power & leverage to the easterners to tell Brussels to pound sand. Brussels is Democrats in DC on steroids, as I understand things. Jozsi, Iggy, and some others can explain more/better than I. |
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Originally Posted By xd675: I can see how a lot of that would be an issue for a nation. Especially because a nations people has less representation to the EU level of governance to make changes. I imagine Hungary and Orban lack general leverage over the EU to make things go away, and if I know anything of big government this money is likely finds Hungary collected from their people and remitted to the EU for the EU to hold over Hungary to shove them into compliance and those issues are messy especially EU court mandates. I can see why one might try to use important unrelated matters to gain leverage to help their people. I also think the EU structure is designed to subjugate the populations of Europe under one easier to control system of governance. It might be best to return to nationality like England and set up their own trade agreements to avoid the big government dictates. View Quote I think you understand the situation pretty well. Hungary wants to billions of euros that is due them in a similar way that a poor, smaller State here in the US counts of Federal money to build roads, etc. But they dont want the latest crazy rules that would utterly destroy Hungary as a nation. Imagine if Federal aid stopped to W. Virginia unless they became a sanctuary State, allowed in 100K immigrants, and had to have LGBTQ education in all elementary schools. Had Hungary been informed before joining the EU they would have to allow in tens, possibly hundreds of thousands of young men from A-stan, Syria, and Africa and also allow LGBTQP "education" in schools, they would have said fuck no. |
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Originally Posted By xd675: Is this something like the us federal system where Hungarian tax payers are paying tax to the EU level of government and the EU is holding those funds until it feels the state of Hungary is complying with its dictates to get its federal allocation back? View Quote Yes exactly. Although I dont know if it's money directly from Hungarian taxpayers. I'm not sure. But it's money they were promised. |
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Originally Posted By RockNwood: I believe Ukraine did that change becsuse of Russian influence in the east. All the other languages were collateral damage but minuscule as a percentage. Some areas had 30-50+% Russian speakers. To dampen Russian influence they just went 100% Ukrainian language. View Quote I believe this also. Well said. |
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Originally Posted By RockNwood: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4104-2976291.jpg https://news.err.ee/1609120397/kasparov-to-err-every-engineer-that-leaves-russia-means-one-fewer-missile
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By RockNwood: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494438/IMG_4104-2976291.jpg https://news.err.ee/1609120397/kasparov-to-err-every-engineer-that-leaves-russia-means-one-fewer-missile
They flew into a rage, publicly calling for his assassination - like the gangster, terrorist state that they are. What got them so worried? Kasparov has been visiting our region, taking time to meet PM @kajakallas and talk to local media. He demonstrated what it means to be a real opposition - to russia's entire imperial order. He lambasted both the West and russia's existing "opposition" for not fully backing Ukraine's victory. "Things along the lines of "we will stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes" are far removed from those three words "Ukraine must win!"," explained Kasparov. He also set out his vision for a modern version of De Gaulle's Free France, but for russia, which would unequivocally support the military defeat of the regime. Here's a bit more of what he told Estonia's public broadcaster, ERR: "There is no such community as "anti-war Russians." I also do not like the phrase "good Russians," to put it mildly. Opinions run the gamut among those who have emigrated from Russia, while we can conditionally divide them in two. Saying that a person is against the war and Putin sounds quite vague. I proposed a simple formula for identifying people who think like us: they need to declare in five seconds and without hesitation that, "the war is criminal, the regime illegitimate and Crimea is Ukraine." It seems to me that only 25 percent of the Russian opposition is willing to make that declaration without hesitation. "What we see today is that many who are against the war are not willing to demonstrate willingness to offer the Ukrainian armed forces every kind of help. There is no such question for me and those who think like me. It is quite clear to us that Russia's freedom needs to start with a Ukrainian victory. Nothing will change until the Ukrainian flag is hoisted in Sevastopol." Now these are good takes. |
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Send lawyers, guns, and money.
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Solovyov rants, and Simonyan rambles. Check this out. She insists that there can be no Ukraine, Russia will fight to conquer their lands as long as it takes, no matter what, by any means necessary. Then she says they should launch an atmospheric EMP attack. I don't even know what doctrine calls for as a response to EMP attack.
Margarita Simonyan predicts a grim future |
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Originally Posted By DonKey153: Can you explain that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ben Hodges is a pro-Ukrainian version of Douglas MacGregor. Prove me wrong. Opposite sides of the same coin. Can you explain that? MacGregor goes on TV/Youtube/Twitter and talks at length about Russia is winning and we should not support Ukraine. Hodges goes on TV/Youtube/Twitter and talks at length about Ukraine is winning and we should support Ukraine. |
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Originally Posted By HIPPO:
Fuck Matt Gaetz. View Quote Yes |
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connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon President of the Volodymyr Zelenskyy fan club |
connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon President of the Volodymyr Zelenskyy fan club |
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Originally Posted By Easterner: Hell yeah! I have a new battalion to go to soon. My time as an instructor was well spent improving, but is almost at an end. I see how much easier it gets with each course I run, and the muscle memory is there now. New instructors will come in to take their breaks from the front. I really wish the recruits had more time themselves, but those that really need it get recycled to a new group. The.talent that comes through here is an invaluable asset. Honored to spend my time here with these guys, and I look forward to earning my next stripe. View Quote Stay safe brother! |
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SYSTEM: Let's not rehash a locked&nuked thread
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Originally Posted By fadedsun: 100% wrong. Hodges actually made higher rank and got a star. Macgregor was denied. Hodges isn’t a Putin boot licker. Macgregor is View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ben Hodges is a pro-Ukrainian version of Douglas MacGregor. Prove me wrong. Opposite sides of the same coin. 100% wrong. Hodges actually made higher rank and got a star. Macgregor was denied. Hodges isn’t a Putin boot licker. Macgregor is Hodges also checks himself and admits when he misses his predictions. He originally said he anticipated Ukraine to cut off and potentially take Crimea by the end of this summer. He then admitted that his prediction was wrong because the US didn’t provide Ukraine with ATACMs. Macgregor has been saying from day one that Ukraine is about to completely collapse, and never discusses any of his earlier predictions and why they were wrong, he just keeps spouting the same BS about Ukraine collapsing in the next few weeks. It’s always “in the coming weeks” much like the old sign at bars “free beer tomorrow!” |
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⚠️ 🦾 The process of clearing Novoprokopivka by units of the 3rd brigade of Petro Bolbochan.
The 71st regiment of the Russian Federation stationed there almost completely lost its defense capability and almost all of its personnel. Only isolated groups of Russian servicemen who survived remained, half of whom refused to fight and tried to escape from their positions, while the rest died under the onslaught of the Armed Forces. The ZSU confidently knocks the Russians out of their positions, returning the settlement to Ukrainian control Bratchuk https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1709341988498129343 ~1 min video in tweet ETA:
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Thank you Jozsi. Basically Brussels/EU want to eliminate Hungarian sovereignty and shove their woke bullshit down everyone's throats. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER: Originally Posted By Jozsi: 1st- EU wants Hungary to abide by the Dublin Agreement when mandates that Hungary accept a quota of migrants from 3rd world shitholes. 2nd- EU wants Hungary to abide and get rid of Hungarian law banning LGQT bullshit for 18 or less. That is why LGQT stuff is put in the section where porn is because it is basically porn. 3rd- Rule of law and judicial reforms is basically, they want the courts accept Brussels court ruling when Brussels says something is legal or illegal, Hungary needs to accept it. 4th- EU wants Hungary to accept the private universities and their bullshit. In Hungary ,if a private university has a degree program than it needs to have an accredited program and setup. Central European University which is Soros university was basically churning out basket weaving degrees without certified instructors. Also CEU was having academic programs where participants didn't need to do certain things where the public and other universities were required to do. For example, you take an basket weaving or 7000 genders or womens studies program, they didn't have certified instructors for it and they just gave you a degree after churning out bullshit. Or CEU has an Computer Science programs and they didn't do the required training or direct experience. This isn't fair and all Hungary wanted was for the CEU and others is to have required certified teachers and also a certified program. You want to take an English program, usually it requires you to study or do one or two terms in an English spoken sister program like if you did CEU, then you can come to New York or Florida and take programs and vice versa. CEU wasn't do that but for every other university in Hungary, they were required and the EU laws MANDATED that they have those programs and educational materials available. 5th- Ukraine changed the language laws forcing and mandating that all education must be done in UKRANIAN only and nothing else when before the law, there was language programs and courses in Hungarian that students can take but they also did it in Ukrainian. My friends school in Beregszasz was Hungarian and Ukrainian for the rest of the day and then another had English and Ukrainian. The new laws in 2016 mandated only Ukrainian and nothing else. So even the American schools and British schools in English were being effected by the laws. But you know that those schools got waivers so they can still teach in English. But Hungarians didn't. I hope that is the basic gist of it. TLDR.. CEU Soros churned out a diploma mill school n budapest and students got ahead by cheating, EU says Hungary isn't being nice to Illegal migrants, listening to EU laws, and Ukraine changed laws making Hungarian illegal to teach. Thank you Jozsi. Basically Brussels/EU want to eliminate Hungarian sovereignty and shove their woke bullshit down everyone's throats. They chose to join the EU. When you choose to join an organization you take the good with the bad. While a member of that organization, if the bad begins to outweigh the good and the organization will not change, you leave. It IS that simple. You can't have your cake and eat it too, but that is what Orban wants, and is all this really boils down to. And of course American and British language schools got an exception, it's ENGLISH. Every country on earth has someone teaching English. To act like Hungarian is on the same level in the world as English, is ridiculous. You make some legitimate complaints Jozsi, but this ain't one of them |
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Images of blood but not overly graphic. A seriously wounded Izgoy who looks like he blew up before catching on fire showed up at an AFU position saying there were no medical supplies on his side and requesting medical treatment. Funding for medical supplies was probably provided to his unit but a Russian commander simply does not become a multimillionaire on one's salary alone. #OSINT #UkraineRussiaWar️ #UkraineWar #Ukraine #Counteroffensive |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: MacGregor goes on TV/Youtube/Twitter and talks at length about Russia is winning and we should not support Ukraine. Hodges goes on TV/Youtube/Twitter and talks at length about Ukraine is winning and we should support Ukraine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By DonKey153: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ben Hodges is a pro-Ukrainian version of Douglas MacGregor. Prove me wrong. Opposite sides of the same coin. Can you explain that? MacGregor goes on TV/Youtube/Twitter and talks at length about Russia is winning and we should not support Ukraine. Hodges goes on TV/Youtube/Twitter and talks at length about Ukraine is winning and we should support Ukraine. Not wrong. But what I'd add is what MacGregor says about Ukraine is provably bonkers. What Hodges says about Russia seems to be usually provably right. He gets a little dramatic sometimes, I get where you're coming from. |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
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https://twitter.com/TreasChest/status/1709355223586652540
That’s a lot of hardware. A lot. More than a dozen HIMARS in a marshaling area. |
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It's not stupid, it's advanced!!
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It's a bit more than that. The wealthy nations of EU are effectively subsidizing the poorer nations with handouts. Greece, post-Soviet nations tend to be the Free Stuff Army of Europe. EU puts a lot of strings on their handouts in terms of setting social policy standards. Gun control is one of them, along with the immigration stuff Jozsi rightly complains about. Eastern European nations might be inclined to somewhat more conservative policy approaches, but their hands are tied in Brussels. It's one of the reasons I'd like to see a Warsaw Pact for giving better power & leverage to the easterners to tell Brussels to pound sand. Brussels is Democrats in DC on steroids, as I understand things. Jozsi, Iggy, and some others can explain more/better than I. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By xd675: Is this something like the us federal system where Hungarian tax payers are paying tax to the EU level of government and the EU is holding those funds until it feels the state of Hungary is complying with its dictates to get its federal allocation back? It's a bit more than that. The wealthy nations of EU are effectively subsidizing the poorer nations with handouts. Greece, post-Soviet nations tend to be the Free Stuff Army of Europe. EU puts a lot of strings on their handouts in terms of setting social policy standards. Gun control is one of them, along with the immigration stuff Jozsi rightly complains about. Eastern European nations might be inclined to somewhat more conservative policy approaches, but their hands are tied in Brussels. It's one of the reasons I'd like to see a Warsaw Pact for giving better power & leverage to the easterners to tell Brussels to pound sand. Brussels is Democrats in DC on steroids, as I understand things. Jozsi, Iggy, and some others can explain more/better than I. I think there's some benefit to economic integration between European states, and I can see the rationale behind integration in the immediate post-war era especially, in terms of the ECSC, Euratom, EEC, etc. However, the EU in its current form absolutely should not exist. Were I a European in an EU member state, I'd be advocating for leaving as quickly as possible, if only because of the way Schengen works. |
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lol, he said "assram".
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Novokoprovovka liberated?
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connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon President of the Volodymyr Zelenskyy fan club |
Originally Posted By Prime:
View Quote But but muh patriots and shaheeeeddss |
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connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon President of the Volodymyr Zelenskyy fan club |
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: It seems the dems are quite willing to assist the fringe lunatics in the republican party in completely destroying what remains of the party. Matt Gaetz can eat shit and die. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Twitter is alight with the Speaket ouster news. Only the eight true conservatives (and all Democrats) voted him out. Here is a clue, when you see 95% of your friends and allies are commies, well you may not be the true red white and blue. Matt Gaetz should have worn his pinko Barbie ensemble. It seems the dems are quite willing to assist the fringe lunatics in the republican party in completely destroying what remains of the party. Matt Gaetz can eat shit and die. Maybe they have figured that it's easier to be the minority party? That way they don't have to lead and can bitch+moan for votes and grift for money. |
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Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: It's a bit more than that. The wealthy nations of EU are effectively subsidizing the poorer nations with handouts. Greece, post-Soviet nations tend to be the Free Stuff Army of Europe. EU puts a lot of strings on their handouts in terms of setting social policy standards. Gun control is one of them, along with the immigration stuff Jozsi rightly complains about. Eastern European nations might be inclined to somewhat more conservative policy approaches, but their hands are tied in Brussels. It's one of the reasons I'd like to see a Warsaw Pact for giving better power & leverage to the easterners to tell Brussels to pound sand. Brussels is Democrats in DC on steroids, as I understand things. Jozsi, Iggy, and some others can explain more/better than I. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By xd675: Is this something like the us federal system where Hungarian tax payers are paying tax to the EU level of government and the EU is holding those funds until it feels the state of Hungary is complying with its dictates to get its federal allocation back? It's a bit more than that. The wealthy nations of EU are effectively subsidizing the poorer nations with handouts. Greece, post-Soviet nations tend to be the Free Stuff Army of Europe. EU puts a lot of strings on their handouts in terms of setting social policy standards. Gun control is one of them, along with the immigration stuff Jozsi rightly complains about. Eastern European nations might be inclined to somewhat more conservative policy approaches, but their hands are tied in Brussels. It's one of the reasons I'd like to see a Warsaw Pact for giving better power & leverage to the easterners to tell Brussels to pound sand. Brussels is Democrats in DC on steroids, as I understand things. Jozsi, Iggy, and some others can explain more/better than I. Agree. EU is a stupid implementation of what started off as a decent economic idea. It’s toxic nanny state. Warsaw Pact Freedom Version would be perfect for the more traditional value Eastern nations that have actual skin in the game. It should be limited to states that border Russia and Belarus and only those others that are willing to collaborate. Sort of like making the border states the Warsaw Security Council. Any state that does business with Russia that is not approved by the WSC is automatically a non-voter. Don’t let it become a world peacekeeping alliance. Keep it focused on direct attacks by Russia and fully controlled allies such as Belarus. And of course coordinate with NATO. On the economic side do not allow single nation vetos. Maybe require a super majority instead. |
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“I don’t need a ride, I need more ammunition.” |
Originally Posted By Bunn19: Hodges also checks himself and admits when he misses his predictions. He originally said he anticipated Ukraine to cut off and potentially take Crimea by the end of this summer. He then admitted that his prediction was wrong because the US didn’t provide Ukraine with ATACMs. Macgregor has been saying from day one that Ukraine is about to completely collapse, and never discusses any of his earlier predictions and why they were wrong, he just keeps spouting the same BS about Ukraine collapsing in the next few weeks. It’s always “in the coming weeks” much like the old sign at bars “free beer tomorrow!” View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Bunn19: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Ben Hodges is a pro-Ukrainian version of Douglas MacGregor. Prove me wrong. Opposite sides of the same coin. 100% wrong. Hodges actually made higher rank and got a star. Macgregor was denied. Hodges isn’t a Putin boot licker. Macgregor is Hodges also checks himself and admits when he misses his predictions. He originally said he anticipated Ukraine to cut off and potentially take Crimea by the end of this summer. He then admitted that his prediction was wrong because the US didn’t provide Ukraine with ATACMs. Macgregor has been saying from day one that Ukraine is about to completely collapse, and never discusses any of his earlier predictions and why they were wrong, he just keeps spouting the same BS about Ukraine collapsing in the next few weeks. It’s always “in the coming weeks” much like the old sign at bars “free beer tomorrow!” The comparison is way off. Hodges is very careful to identify when he is giving a gut opinion versus speaking from direct knowledge and experience. He does not sensationalize. Being a former commander of logistics in NATO among other assignments makes his analysis and opinions relevant to the supply of arms to Ukraine. |
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Deplorable fan of liberty
“I don’t need a ride, I need more ammunition.” |
Originally Posted By Veccio: These clowns are going to end up giving the Dems the gavel or locking up the House. Either outcome will cost the GOP votes/seats in the coming election, seats that they desperately need if they want to remain the majority. Add Trump into the election mix and it's going to be bloody for the GOP unfortunately. Maybe they have figured that it's easier to be the minority party? That way they don't have to lead and can bitch+moan for votes and grift for money. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Veccio: Originally Posted By Charging_Handle: Originally Posted By RockNwood: Twitter is alight with the Speaket ouster news. Only the eight true conservatives (and all Democrats) voted him out. Here is a clue, when you see 95% of your friends and allies are commies, well you may not be the true red white and blue. Matt Gaetz should have worn his pinko Barbie ensemble. It seems the dems are quite willing to assist the fringe lunatics in the republican party in completely destroying what remains of the party. Matt Gaetz can eat shit and die. Maybe they have figured that it's easier to be the minority party? That way they don't have to lead and can bitch+moan for votes and grift for money. I’m waiting to hear Gaetz justify making Pelosi speaker was the most based conservative move because Ukraine blah blah blah. The guy is unhinged over Ukraine. The bitch doth protest too much. |
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Deplorable fan of liberty
“I don’t need a ride, I need more ammunition.” |
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“If by chance you were to ask me which ornaments I would desire above all others in my house, I would reply, without much pause for reflection, arms and books.”
Baldassare Castiglione |
Originally Posted By RockNwood: Agree. EU is a stupid implementation of what started off as a decent economic idea. It’s toxic nanny state. Warsaw Pact Freedom Version would be perfect for the more traditional value Eastern nations that have actual skin in the game. It should be limited to states that border Russia and Belarus and only those others that are willing to collaborate. Sort of like making the border states the Warsaw Security Council. Any state that does business with Russia that is not approved by the WSC is automatically a non-voter. Don’t let it become a world peacekeeping alliance. Keep it focused on direct attacks by Russia and fully controlled allies such as Belarus. And of course coordinate with NATO. On the economic side do not allow single nation vetos. Maybe require a super majority instead. View Quote It started out nice but then turned into this woke suicide pact we have now. Who the fuck decided that the Northern hemisphere will become a giant refugee camp for all the illiterate and disaffected people from the South? |
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connoisseur of fine Soviet armored vehicles
Let's go Brandon President of the Volodymyr Zelenskyy fan club |
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Originally Posted By Jaehaerys: I think there's some benefit to economic integration between European states, and I can see the rationale behind integration in the immediate post-war era especially, in terms of the ECSC, Euratom, EEC, etc. However, the EU in its current form absolutely should not exist. Were I a European in an EU member state, I'd be advocating for leaving as quickly as possible, if only because of the way Schengen works. View Quote There was a very old long-running joke that by the time Ukraine is admitted to the EU all other members will have left. |
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