Posted: 1/8/2013 1:42:58 PM EDT
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How far out yard wise would you say normal (not some special magnum load) 3" 00 Buck shot would be deadly for dogs or coyotes would be?
How about 2 legged varmints wearing a normal winter coat? |
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Quoted: How far out yard wise would you say normal (not some special magnum load) 3" 00 Buck shot would be deadly for dogs or coyotes would be? How about 2 legged varmints wearing a normal winter coat? As a general rule, I would say 40 yards will be your max (or close to max) range. I base my answer on many years of experience of hunting deer with a shotgun down here in south georgia. Once things get to 40 yards and beyond, clean kills become an inconsistent thing when using a shotgun loaded with buckshot. Also, I'm not convinced that a 3" magnum buckshot load is all that much better than its 2.75" counterpart. As with all things, YMMV. |
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Depends on which exact load and your particular gun. here is the stuff, I was wrong, its 2 3/4". S & B Out of a 18" Mossberg I usually bring an Ak or Marlin Lever 30 30 when I go out at night in my back pasture. But I have a folding stock Mossberg that is nice to throw on the seat and can get beat up. |
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Standard or Federal with the flight control wad? The latter will extend the range a good distance. damn, you had to ask that. 
Now I have to look up what Sellier & Bellot says. I think you've got your answer right there. I don't think S&B has any kind of speciall wad, it's just going to be regular old buckshot in a cup (if it even has that). |
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It's a shame every young man in America doesn't already know this basic stuff by the age of 6. I'm not taking a knock at the OP. It seems 99% of people have no idea how buckshot and shotguns work. I've shot Buck at targets up to 25yds plenty of times, never saw the reason to go past. Other guns for that. See other post why today I wanted to know. |
This is 30 Yards with a nothing-special 590A1, 2 3/4 inch Federal tactical buck with the Flight-control wad:
Every shotgun is a little different. Yours may be better--then again it may be worse. My BIL's Mossberg shotgun patterns like above--but without the high and low flier--a beautiful, evenly spaced saucer-shaped pattern at 30 yards. Pattern YOUR shotgun from 5/7/10/15/20/25/30 yards so you know exactly what it will do with your chosen load. Federal flight control always seems to perform head-and-shoulders above the rest, though. |
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How about getting a big sheet of newspaper and testing your gear...
The number will be around 25 yards for a man sized target. Generally, in a standard shotgun with common Buckshot, the pellets spread around 1 inch per yard. The average human is assumed to be roughly 18-20 inches wide when standing facing you in an anotomically neutral position. So...about 25 yards is max range for 00 Buck. You can still get lucky beyond that, but you get a lot of stray pellets. 00 Buck isn't the magic wonder weapon people think it is. |
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Standard or Federal with the flight control wad? The latter will extend the range a good distance. damn, you had to ask that.
Now I have to look up what Sellier & Bellot says. You lucky to get 25 yrds with that stuff unless you have a vang comp barrel |
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It's a shame every young man in America doesn't already know this basic stuff by the age of 6. I'm not taking a knock at the OP. It seems 99% of people have no idea how buckshot and shotguns work. I've shot Buck at targets up to 25yds plenty of times, never saw the reason to go past. Other guns for that. See other post why today I wanted to know. Out of your set-up and using the S&B load (which is basically standard buckshot load) I would say 25 yard would be your maximum range. The flight control stuff shoots a tight pattern out of open choke short barrels (because of the hard plastic shot cup in it), but I heard a rumor that sometimes the shot cup doesn't release the shot. I grew up hunting deer with a Remington 1100 that had a 30" full choke barrel. Thing weight a ton, but it would knock deer in the dirt out to 50 yards easily with 00 or 000 buck (I preferred the 3" magnum loads for more pellets). |
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Depends on which exact load and your particular gun. here is the stuff, I was wrong, its 2 3/4". S & B Out of a 18" Mossberg I usually bring an Ak or Marlin Lever 30 30 when I go out at night in my back pasture. But I have a folding stock Mossberg that is nice to throw on the seat and can get beat up. Just looking at it it's probably just ok as far as buckshot goes, it only has a fiber wad, no shot cup, and no buffering material between the pellets to prevent deformation. It's probably fine to fool about with, but I don't think you're going to get any kind of really tight patterns with it out past 25 yards or so. I wouldn't put a lot of stock in the reviews, one guy claimed to get good patterns out of a 18.5 inch Mossberg 500, which is probably a cylinder bore, at 100 yards 
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It's a shame every young man in America doesn't already know this basic stuff by the age of 6. I'm not taking a knock at the OP. It seems 99% of people have no idea how buckshot and shotguns work. that's because most of us shoot rifles I know, where are all my southeastern/coastal brothers? |
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It's a shame every young man in America doesn't already know this basic stuff by the age of 6. I'm not taking a knock at the OP. It seems 99% of people have no idea how buckshot and shotguns work. I've shot Buck at targets up to 25yds plenty of times, never saw the reason to go past. Other guns for that. See other post why today I wanted to know. Out of your set-up and using the S&B load (which is basically standard buckshot load) I would say 25 yard would be your maximum range. The flight control stuff shoots a tight pattern out of open choke short barrels (because of the hard plastic shot cup in it), but I heard a rumor that sometimes the shot cup doesn't release the shot. I grew up hunting deer with a Remington 1100 that had a 30" full choke barrel. Thing weight a ton, but it would knock deer in the dirt out to 50 yards easily with 00 or 000 buck (I preferred the 3" magnum loads for more pellets). I'd venture so far as to say that that might even be a bit generous, I'm thinking with an 18" barrel he's probably running a cyl. bore. Combined with that load, I would'nt count on much of a pattern around 25 yards. |
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It's a shame every young man in America doesn't already know this basic stuff by the age of 6. I'm not taking a knock at the OP. It seems 99% of people have no idea how buckshot and shotguns work. that's because most of us shoot rifles I'm not offended. As I posted above, I've shot it up to 25 yds but never saw the reason to exceed. Without having to go outside and test tonight, was just hoping to get some thoughts - and thanks to all here. Looks like the gun stays inside, I'll stick with either of my aforementioned rifles. |
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Based on many years of deer hunting.......40 easily and 50 yards some of the times. Thats with 2 3/4 with a imp cylinder choke and a running target. If you were to use a full choke it would be greater but the shot would have to be a better one skill wise.
However, I have had someone shoot towards me that was a long way across a draw and the pellets I heard flying 25-30 feet above my head cutting through tree leafs tell me it would be more than just a sting well beyond 50 yards. Go get a pumpkin or watermelon and shoot it at 50 yards..........you will see the results. And while no "wonder gun" its nothing to be taken lightly. 
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Personal experience, #4 and #1 buck take jack rabbits at 50-70 yards no problem. That's a lot more pellets and out of a 20" Rem 1100. The longest confirmed was 76 yards and with 4 buck and it still hit very hard and tossed said bunny. 4 of the what 36 pellets hit.
My grandfather claimed OO buck hits and kills on deer out near 100 yards but I'm not sure about that Patterning aside OO buck is lethal up to at least 125 yards. How far to take a shot on a doggy? If you know your background and out in the desert or something I'd take the shot out to 75 yards or so |
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You lucky to get 25 yrds with that stuff unless you have a vang comp barrel Listen to what this man says. That Sellier & Bellot is not 30-40-yard buckshot. I've shot plenty of that 12-pellet and 9-pellet buckshot (acquired lots of it years ago for cheap) and learned that if I am to consistently keep all pellets on a standard 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper, my max range should be just 15 yards. This is from an Improved Cylinder choke. Frankly, it's some of the worst-patterning buckshot I've fired, but works fine for practice and occasional blasting. The roll crimp also makes it a little longer than standard 2 3/4" loads, so in some shotguns magazine capacity is reduced by one. Other import brands also have this problem. 
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With a 18.5" cylinder barrel (typical "home defense" gun) and a small dog, I wouldn't trust it beyond about ten feet unless you've got some kind of special wad to keep the pellets together..
With how much the pellets will spread out, it's not really a matter of how far they will go and still be abe to kill. It's a matter of how many of them will miss the target because they are so spread out. |
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Quoted: Don't waste cash on 3in, 2 3/4 works fine in OOQuoted: How far out yard wise would you say normal (not some special magnum load) 3" 00 Buck shot would be deadly for dogs or coyotes would be? How about 2 legged varmints wearing a normal winter coat? As a general rule, I would say 40 yards will be your max (or close to max) range. I base my answer on many years of experience of hunting deer with a shotgun down here in south georgia. Once things get to 40 yards and beyond, clean kills become an inconsistent thing when using a shotgun loaded with buckshot. Also, I'm not convinced that a 3" magnum buckshot load is all that much better than its 2.75" counterpart. As with all things, YMMV. |
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With a 18.5" cylinder barrel (typical "home defense" gun) and a small dog, I wouldn't trust it beyond about ten feet unless you've got some kind of special wad to keep the pellets together.. With how much the pellets will spread out, it's not really a matter of how far they will go and still be abe to kill. It's a matter of how many of them will miss the target because they are so spread out. Yes, precisely. The issue is whether the pellets will strike where they're intended. I recognize there are specific combinations of buckshot load, choke, and firearm which are lethal to 50 yards and beyond on small targets like coyotes, but they're by far the exception and not the rule. Here's a Box O Truth shoot of 'premium' 00 buckshot at 45 yards. Very few of the pellets would stay inside an IPSC torso target. Federal Flite Control would improve things, but the cheap Sellier & Bellot buckshot would do much worse. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot20_3.htm |
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How far out yard wise would you say normal (not some special magnum load) 3" 00 Buck shot would be deadly for dogs or coyotes would be? How about 2 legged varmints wearing a normal winter coat? As a general rule, I would say 40 yards will be your max (or close to max) range. I base my answer on many years of experience of hunting deer with a shotgun down here in south georgia. Once things get to 40 yards and beyond, clean kills become an inconsistent thing when using a shotgun loaded with buckshot. Also, I'm not convinced that a 3" magnum buckshot load is all that much better than its 2.75" counterpart. As with all things, YMMV. I concur. I was going to post 35yards for confidence. I have tree line I hunt in a buckshot only county and it measures exactly 35 yards from my stand. I know from experience that Remington Premier buffered 00 Buck will drop a 120 to 150 lbs deer DRT with a clean hit at that distance. Any further and I have seen them run. I am sure it is still deadly beyond that 35 yard mark but that is where my confidence is. I figure 25 yards for my HD shotguns and that is what the family practices out to with 00 for home defense. If they can hit that, they can hit anything inside the house. |
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You lucky to get 25 yrds with that stuff unless you have a vang comp barrel Listen to what this man says. That Sellier & Bellot is not 30-40-yard buckshot. I've shot plenty of that 12-pellet and 9-pellet buckshot (acquired lots of it years ago for cheap) and learned that if I am to consistently keep all pellets on a standard 8 1/2" x 11" piece of paper, my max range should be just 15 yards. This is from an Improved Cylinder choke. Frankly, it's some of the worst-patterning buckshot I've fired, but works fine for practice and occasional blasting. The roll crimp also makes it a little longer than standard 2 3/4" loads, so in some shotguns magazine capacity is reduced by one. Other import brands also have this problem. Agreed! I also have shot tons of this ammo because it was once available for $69/200rds, but it patterns like a damn blunderbuss out of my Mossberg 500. For up-close nastiness it can't be beat but the lack of a shot-cup or buffering means that the pellets are being flattened pretty badly when fired. |