[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Obama Officially Ineligible? (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 4/19/2012 12:25:23 PM EDT
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Can any of this be true?
http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible A crushing situation is emerging for, not only Barack Obama, but also for the American people as a landmark statement has been made by the Obama administration that is going to turn the entire 2012 Presidential race and potentially much more on its head. Lawyers representing the current sitting President of the United States of America have been forced, under penalty of perjury, to admit that the long-form birth certificate presented by the White House in April of 2011 is a total forgery. In a NJ ballot access eligibility case spawned by Tea Party activists, attorneys representing Obama had to admit the document presented to the American people by Obama himself is actually knowingly faked and was used to fool the American public into believing a complete fabrication. What could be the most shocking aspect of the situation, however, may be the fact that Obama and his attorneys have crafted an argument that truly boggles the mind. In a direct assault on everything the citizens of the USA take for granted, in layman’s terms, his attorneys literally made the argument during a hearing on April 10th that because the document was so obviously faked and could not possibly be considered proof of citizenship, the document itself should not be allowed as evidence in the case. Obama is now basically asserting that only a legitimate document should be allowed as evidence in this case and therefore this one should be thrown out due to the fact that it’s not real. The Judge agreed. In what may turn out to be one of the biggest scandals in the history of the United States, the Obama administration itself has now virtually admitted to High Crimes and Misdemeanors and to deceiving the public into believing a lie that was ironically intended to distract awareness from the actual issue that truly determines his eligibility, or lack thereof. Even though now it has become evident that Obama cannot prove he was born in the Unites States after all, even before that admission in court, it was already known that he was not actually eligible to become either Vice President or President, due to the fact that Obama is not a “Natural Born” Citizen. Although presenting the fake birth certificate to the American people was an attempt to falsely prove his automatic eligibility, even prior to the ‘President’s’ issuance of the fabricated document to the public last spring, attorneys arguing against his eligibility since 2007 proved that Obama was simply ineligible due to the fact that only one of his parents was a US citizen. Ironically, arguments have been made against this age-old constitutional mandate with regard to Obama’s eligibility by using John McCain’s ’08 eligibility situation as an example, while missing the fact that even McCain’s parents were both born in the USA and therefore was ultimately allowed to run for office, even though he was born on a US military base in Panama. This simply isn’t the case for Obama, aside from the fact that his administration has now admitted to open criminal activity and blatant ineligibility on multiple fronts. Daily Pen Editor, Pen Johannson released a story Monday in a devastating editorial explaining the circumstances as one that is sure to set off a firestorm of controversy and could end up creating a gigantic constitutional and legislative nightmare of epic proportions in the weeks and months to come. Brace yourself folks, it’s bound to get a little bumpy. |
| No it isn't. Plenty of reasons NOT to re-elect him, but this isn't it. If indeed this had happened, we'd be in our constitutional crisis right now. Nobody is going to let him finish out his term if he isn't eligible. That is why we have a Vice President. Notice nobody is citing which court this alledgedly happened in? |
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No it isn't. Plenty of reasons NOT to re-elect him, but this isn't it. If indeed this had happened, we'd be in our constitutional crisis right now. Nobody is going to let him fisih out his termif he isn't eligible. That is why we have a Vice President. what lol! |
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No it isn't. Plenty of reasons NOT to re-elect him, but this isn't it. If indeed this had happened, we'd be in our constitutional crisis right now. Nobody is going to let him fisih out his termif he isn't eligible. That is why we have a Vice President. *sigh* so you have seen with your own eyes proof that Obama DOES meet the requirements to hold office of the President? |
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No it isn't. Plenty of reasons NOT to re-elect him, but this isn't it. If indeed this had happened, we'd be in our constitutional crisis right now. Nobody is going to let him finish out his term if he isn't eligible. That is why we have a Vice President. Notice nobody is citing which court this alledgedly happened in? Perhaps if the "Media/MSM" would give us true non biased reporting more of the country would be outraged and indeed it wouldn't have gotten this far. At this point this birther stuff is treated the same as 911 truther crap. |
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No it isn't. Plenty of reasons NOT to re-elect him, but this isn't it. If indeed this had happened, we'd be in our constitutional crisis right now. Nobody is going to let him fisih out his termif he isn't eligible. That is why we have a Vice President. *sigh* so you have seen with your own eyes proof that Obama DOES meet the requirements to hold office of the President? Nope. Truth is I haven't seen proof that any other of our Presidents were eligible either. |
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No it isn't. Plenty of reasons NOT to re-elect him, but this isn't it. If indeed this had happened, we'd be in our constitutional crisis right now. Nobody is going to let him fisih out his termif he isn't eligible. That is why we have a Vice President. *sigh* so you have seen with your own eyes proof that Obama DOES meet the requirements to hold office of the President? Nope. Truth is I haven't seen proof that any other of our Presidents were eligible either. Sure we do, they can't pronounce Pakistan. FBHO. |
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He's not eligible. That ship has sailed. Excuse my cynicism, but until a big enough deal is made about it that he's actually declared ineligible for the election and is struck from the ballots, the ship is still in port. Regardless of what the law says, how the law is enforced will determine whether the rule makes any difference. This is an unfortunate situation. Not talking about how things should be, but how things are. |
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Can any of this be true? http://www.examiner.com/article/obama-officially-ineligible *snip* Obama is now basically asserting that only a legitimate document should be allowed as evidence in this case and therefore this one should be thrown out due to the fact that it’s not real. The Judge agreed. *snip* if any of this is true, how would the government ever prosecute forgery, fraud, or conterfeit cases? the *faked* doc is kind-of the point... |
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He's not eligible. That ship has sailed. Excuse my cynicism, but until a big enough deal is made about it that he's actually declared ineligible for the election and is struck from the ballots, the ship is still in port. Regardless of what the law says, how the law is enforced will determine whether the rule makes any difference. This is an unfortunate situation. Not talking about how things should be, but how things are. i agree with you. I don't understand the mentality of the folks that think it's too late to do something about this. |
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This issue was covered here already. Link to older thread.
Here's the judges decision The relevant bit from the decision. In regard to the first issue, it is undisputed that Mr. Obama has not presented theSecretary of State with any form of birth certificate in connection with the nominatingpetitions, and his counsel in this hearing agreed that she was offering no suchdocument. As such, while the petitioners have noted in their brief their beliefs as to thepossibly illicit nature of the long-form birth certificate released to the public via theinternet, counsel for the petitioners agreed that here the relevant objection is not to thevalidity of the document, for it is not before the Secretary. The objection is instead thatin regard to the need to prove qualification for the Presidency, and that Obama is“natural-born”, the failure to produce any proof is itself fatal to his nomination. And inthat regard, the failure to even proffer to the Secretary a birth certificate is legallyconclusive of the lack of qualification to stand for the Office. As such, while thepetitioners were prepared to produce a witness, purportedly an expert, to contend thatthe long-form certificate, as displayed on the internet, was a forgery, after extensivecolloquy, it was determined that that issue is not relevant to the petitioners’ objectionherein. It would only be so if the certificate were produced in order to meet a specificrequirement of the law, and in that instance, its validity could be challenged. It has not been offered.
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Some girl who graduated law school and was admitted to practice in 2011 is obama's lawyer, was told by obama's people his birth certificate is fake and admitted it ? Come on Even the birther lawyer who was behind this and was there doesnot claim she said that. And a hint, when a kid two seconds out of law school gets sent to oppose your birther petition it's a good sign no one is taking you seriously. Long short - Obama's lawyer never said the certificate is fake. The lawyer said that the certificate's authenticity is irrelevant to the case because the certificate itself is completely irrelevant to the scope of the case. Edit: You'll also note that no where in this travesty of a 'news' article is there a quote from the lawyer saying anything. There's nothing more than claims and conjecture. |
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I doubt that this is true.
It's not because the media is fair, unbiased or even truthful. It's not because I believe in Obama (he sucks ass). It's not even because I believe in the rest of DC. It's because Obama is becoming increasingly unpopular and guess what? People are begging Hillary to run. The leftwing media is singing her praises and would love to see her replace BHO in November. I know that some are still enamored with the idea of a Black President but the left loves Hillary and her hands are relatively clean in this Administration's failures and messes. She's been largely flying under the radar and let's face it.....she could walk into the White House in November. No, this story is most likely crap. The Left cares about winning and power. Obama is still kinda iffy for a second term and Hillary Clinton could walk away with the election. The liberal media and the Dems would throw Obama under the bus if they had something like this. |
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The lawyer didn't say it was a forgery, she said it didn't matter if it was or wasn't. She wasn't prepared to commit on it's status either way. Folks just took that to mean she was admitting it's a fake since otherwise she'd be declaring it to be real and saying it proves her case.
As for his status in the election, didn't GA and AZ already put in laws or have cases where he is not eligible to be on the ballot until further proof is given? I thought a few other states had this in process too. |
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The lawyer didn't say it was a forgery, she said it didn't matter if it was or wasn't. She wasn't prepared to commit on it's status either way. Folks just took that to mean she was admitting it's a fake since otherwise she'd be declaring it to be real and saying it proves her case. As for his status in the election, didn't GA and AZ already put in laws or have cases where he is not eligible to be on the ballot until further proof is given? I thought a few other states had this in process too. If I recall correctly, the law in AZ died and the lawsuit in GA didn't go anywhere. He is still eligible in both states, last I checked. |
