Posted: 1/19/2013 2:09:12 PM EDT
| Say I order a suppressor tomorrow, but will be in a different state when the stamp is approved...will that be an issue? |
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You know where you'll be in 10 years when the stamp is approved?  It's like a 6 month wait isn't it? If your brother works at the BATF and gets assigned your app. So what is the average wait time? I know it's not years... 6 Months. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/295509_New_NFA_Timelines_thread__post_Nov__5__2009.html |
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Last I heard was 6 months. That was before they (supposedly) added warm bodies at the NFA branch in December. Rumor has it the time is dropping, but I will not believe it till the forms I filed the last week of December come back. As for where to get it... Which state will you have your DL from in a month or two? Have your can shipped to a dealer in the state where your DL will be from at the time. If you'll be at your new location for more than 6 months, I'd say go ahead and have it shipped to a dealer at your new location.
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Last I heard was 6 months. That was before they (supposedly) added warm bodies at the NFA branch in December. Rumor has it the time is dropping, but I will not believe it till the forms I filed the last week of December come back. As for where to get it... Which state will you have your DL from in a month or two? Have your can shipped to a dealer in the state where your DL will be from at the time. If you'll be at your new location for more than 6 months, I'd say go ahead and have it shipped to a dealer at your new location. My DL has been expired for over 10 years. 
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You know where you'll be in 10 years when the stamp is approved? It's like a 6 month wait isn't it? If your brother works at the BATF and gets assigned your app. So what is the average wait time? I know it's not years... Just got one (OK 3) back. Almost 7mo. And that was before any of this panic shit started. |
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So it is legal to have it transferred to a state I'm not a resident of or reside in if I will be in that state when the stamp is approved? This is the confusing part. IM Andrasik. That guy is an expert on this stuff. He'll help you out. He got me into this awful addiction. |
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Section 9.3 Interstate transfers of NFA firearms. ATF will not approve the transfer of an NFA firearm to a non-FFL/SOT residing in a State other than the State in which the transferor’s licensed business is located or the transferor resides. Such interstate transfers would violate the GCA. However, See section 9.5.4 regarding the custody of firearms by employees of FFLs/SOTs. |
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Section 9.3 Interstate transfers of NFA firearms. ATF will not approve the transfer of an NFA firearm to a non-FFL/SOT residing in a State other than the State in which the transferor’s licensed business is located or the transferor resides. Such interstate transfers would violate the GCA. However, See section 9.5.4 regarding the custody of firearms by employees of FFLs/SOTs. It gets weird being .mil though...since we're never in our home state. |
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So it is legal to have it transferred to a state I'm not a resident of or reside in if I will be in that state when the stamp is approved? This is the confusing part. I don't see what the problem would be to have it ordered through a dealer in the state you plan on moving to. As long as you're a resident when you go to pick it up. Call up a Class 3 dealer in the state you're moving to, and ask... If they're worth a shit, they should be able to get you squared away! |
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So it is legal to have it transferred to a state I'm not a resident of or reside in if I will be in that state when the stamp is approved? This is the confusing part. No, you have to fill out a 4473 for the suppressor when you go pick it up and the address on the Form 4 will be your current address and wont match your DL. A receiving dealer in another state will charge you a transfer fee, NFA dealer transfer fees are usually around $100.00. Id wait and order it from your NFA dealer in your new state |
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Section 9.3 Interstate transfers of NFA firearms. ATF will not approve the transfer of an NFA firearm to a non-FFL/SOT residing in a State other than the State in which the transferor’s licensed business is located or the transferor resides. Such interstate transfers would violate the GCA. However, See section 9.5.4 regarding the custody of firearms by employees of FFLs/SOTs. It gets weird being .mil though...since we're never in our home state. The 4473 determines your state of residence to be your permanent duty station on your order for ATF purposes. Your home of record is irrelevant for purposes of the 4473. Its in the "Know your customers" section of the instructions for question 13. I cant remember the exact section though. |
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Section 9.3 Interstate transfers of NFA firearms. ATF will not approve the transfer of an NFA firearm to a non-FFL/SOT residing in a State other than the State in which the transferor’s licensed business is located or the transferor resides. Such interstate transfers would violate the GCA. However, See section 9.5.4 regarding the custody of firearms by employees of FFLs/SOTs. It gets weird being .mil though...since we're never in our home state. You'll need to transfer it to your home state. No way around it. If you won't be around, you'll need to arrange for storage, or see if the SOT can hold on to it until you return. I think Archtaan is right...my home is where I'm stationed at the time. I may just order and come back to CO to pick it up if I have to. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Section 9.3 Interstate transfers of NFA firearms. ATF will not approve the transfer of an NFA firearm to a non-FFL/SOT residing in a State other than the State in which the transferor’s licensed business is located or the transferor resides. Such interstate transfers would violate the GCA. However, See section 9.5.4 regarding the custody of firearms by employees of FFLs/SOTs. It gets weird being .mil though...since we're never in our home state. You'll need to transfer it to your home state. No way around it. If you won't be around, you'll need to arrange for storage, or see if the SOT can hold on to it until you return. I think Archtaan is right...my home is where I'm stationed at the time. I may just order and come back to CO to pick it up if I have to. You don't fill out the 4473 until you pick it up. If your home state is where you're stationed, use that. You just can't ship it anywhere but your home state. |
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Section 9.3 Interstate transfers of NFA firearms. ATF will not approve the transfer of an NFA firearm to a non-FFL/SOT residing in a State other than the State in which the transferor’s licensed business is located or the transferor resides. Such interstate transfers would violate the GCA. However, See section 9.5.4 regarding the custody of firearms by employees of FFLs/SOTs. It gets weird being .mil though...since we're never in our home state. You'll need to transfer it to your home state. No way around it. If you won't be around, you'll need to arrange for storage, or see if the SOT can hold on to it until you return. I think Archtaan is right...my home is where I'm stationed at the time. I may just order and come back to CO to pick it up if I have to. You don't fill out the 4473 until you pick it up. If your home state is where you're stationed, use that. You just can't ship it anywhere but your home state. This is confusing.
I buy guns here and use CO as my home state, even though I'm an AK resident. I have an expired AK drivers license, and it's my home of record. I do have to show a copy of my orders and .mil ID to purchase. So you're saying that I can have it shipped to another state or no?
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Quoted: This is confusing. I buy guns here and use CO as my home state, even though I'm an AK resident. I have an expired AK drivers license, and it's my home of record. I do have to show a copy of my orders and .mil ID to purchase. So you're saying that I can have it shipped to another state or no? If your current home state is where you're stationed, that's what you use on the Form 4. |
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Ok here is the down and dirty
You are for Firearms purchases a CO resident. You order a suppressor in CO where your orders station you. If you get new orders to another state as your permanent duty station, say TX for example then you will not be able to go back to CO to pick it up. Your dealer in CO will not be able to transfer it to you or to a dealer in TX since your name is on it now as the registered owner. It is no longer on a dealer tax free transfer Form 3. The only way you could pick it up would be to use your CO Drivers license with the CO address on it, but that would not be legal since that is no longer your residence even if you kept your old DL from CO. The only other way I can think to do it would be to do another form 4 from CO to a TX Class 3 dealer then have it shipped to that dealer from your CO dealer. You would then another form 4 from the new TX class 3 dealer to yourself with your new TX residence address so you would pay 3 tax stamps total. Or, you could call NFA in West VA and see if they have another option that we are not aware of. They are usually very helpful. 1-304-616-4500 is the number. (Speed dial 4 for me  )
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The trend of wait times is on the decline, you're in luck.
My last two (received May 2012 and October 2012) took 6 and 5.5 months respectively ETA: http://www.nfatracker.com/TrendGraph.aspx |
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Ok here is the down and dirty You are for Firearms purchases a CO resident. You order a suppressor in CO where your orders station you. If you get new orders to another state as your permanent duty station, say TX for example then you will not be able to go back to CO to pick it up. Your dealer in CO will not be able to transfer it to you or to a dealer in TX since your name is on it now as the registered owner. It is no longer on a dealer tax free transfer Form 3. The only way you could pick it up would be to use your CO Drivers license with the CO address on it, but that would not be legal since that is no longer your residence even if you kept your old DL from CO. The only other way I can think to do it would be to do another form 4 from CO to a TX Class 3 dealer then have it shipped to that dealer from your CO dealer. You would then another form 4 from the new TX class 3 dealer to yourself with your new TX residence address so you would pay 3 tax stamps total. Or, you could call NFA in West VA and see if they have another option that we are not aware of. They are usually very helpful. 1-304-616-4500 is the number. (Speed dial 4 for me )
Thanks for the number, I'm just gonna call them Tuesday. I want to get this started, since it takes so long. I don't want to wait till I move to start the process and wait that much longer. |
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From a dealer...sounds like I'm good to go. Posted for those who might be in the same situation as me.
"It sounds like it would make sense to have it transferred to AR in your case - especially if that's where you'll be when the stamp is approved. The main thing is to locate an FFL/SOT in AR who is willing to do your paperwork by mail (unless you plan to be there in the next few weeks). Also, you don't have to go through the paperwork again once it is approved - the issue would just be getting back to CO to pick the suppressor up." |