[ARCHIVED THREAD] - P320: So Sig is quietly.... (Page 1 of 4)
Posted: 2/1/2026 3:30:05 PM EDT
Updating new pistols with a heavier trigger.  Our updated opinion on the P320 controversy. 1-25-26. It's toward the end of the video.. |
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Quoted: Because that superior gun didn't win the M17/M18 contract.  In an alternate world where the MHS contract never happened or a different gun won, Sig would’ve recalled every P320 in existence after the initial drop firing controversy and either retrofitted them with redesigned internals or scrapped them and sent the owners a coupon for a different product. But since they had a reputation to defend they started off with the “Voluntary upgrade” bullshit to make it sound like it was unneeded for the gun to be safe but would also make the gun safer  . When the holster pop videos started circulating, they realized they couldn’t do the “voluntary upgrade” trick twice, so they’ve been in full denial and gaslight mode ever since.
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Quoted: In an alternate world where the MHS contract never happened or a different gun won, Sig would’ve recalled every P320 in existence after the initial drop firing controversy and either retrofitted them with redesigned internals or scrapped them and sent the owners a coupon for a different product. But since they had a reputation to defend they started off with the “Voluntary upgrade” bullshit to make it sound like it was unneeded for the gun to be safe but would also make the gun safer . When the holster pop videos started circulating, they realized they couldn’t do the “voluntary upgrade” trick twice, so they’ve been in full denial and gaslight mode ever since.Quoted: Quoted: Because that superior gun didn't win the M17/M18 contract. In an alternate world where the MHS contract never happened or a different gun won, Sig would’ve recalled every P320 in existence after the initial drop firing controversy and either retrofitted them with redesigned internals or scrapped them and sent the owners a coupon for a different product. But since they had a reputation to defend they started off with the “Voluntary upgrade” bullshit to make it sound like it was unneeded for the gun to be safe but would also make the gun safer . When the holster pop videos started circulating, they realized they couldn’t do the “voluntary upgrade” trick twice, so they’ve been in full denial and gaslight mode ever since.You must live in a fairytale world where Cohen isn't the CEO. If they didn't have that contract they would have just shit canned the entire line and pimped out the 365 line like a 2 dollar hooker on payday. They have done it before, it's basically their whole business model now. |
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Quoted: You must live in a fairytale world where Cohen isn't the CEO. If they didn't have that contract they would have just shit canned the entire line and pimped out the 365 line like a 2 dollar hooker on payday. They have done it before, it's basically their whole business model now. You’re probably right, I’m giving them too much credit. Cohen is the kind of ass that would probably just kill the line and not even offer a fix or compensation for the poor bastards that actually bought one. |
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Quoted: I work with a former sig engineer. Sig knows there’s a problem and that the problems been there since the design phase.  Fight Club - The Recall Coordinator's Formula |
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I learned never buy a new SIG product SIG P320 and the SIG 556. I liked both at first but later found them sucked. Sold the 556 and the P320 sits in its case collecting dust. It was the first of the first gen. Stupid me I should know better. Like the Covid shot I refused to be a lab rat, but with new guns I am a sucker. Lesson learned. |
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Quoted: I work with a former sig engineer. Sig knows there’s a problem and that the problems been there since the design phase. Because they used the a DOA P250 to engineer a striker gun, instead of from the ground up like the P365. They could have saved themselves a lot of hassle just designing it from the ground up but they didn't have to time to do that and get a gun into Military trials. I keep thinking of buying one, I see them on used shelves for $250 regularly meaning they are probably only get $190 in trade. I know the gun is worth more but the negative press is not helping. |
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Quoted: Never fails, somebody has to post a comparison to Glock in every handgun thread. That's pretty telling. Quoted: Quoted:Grip would still be better than a glock.... That's pretty telling. |
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Quoted: What sucks is I actually really like the gun. I've had two (X-Compact and X-Carry Pro LE version). I'd be carrying one of them right now if they didn't have a shake awake UD issue  I never could reproduce it with a primed case and mallet so I stopped carrying it. Also won't sell it because I worry it might happen with the new owner. |
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Quoted: I'm in the same boat. I really like the gun. Unfortunately, mine went off when dropped (impacting on the side, not back) shortly after getting it back from the "upgrade". I never could reproduce it with a primed case and mallet so I stopped carrying it. Also won't sell it because I worry it might happen with the new owner. Quoted: Quoted: What sucks is I actually really like the gun. I've had two (X-Compact and X-Carry Pro LE version). I'd be carrying one of them right now if they didn't have a shake awake UD issue I never could reproduce it with a primed case and mallet so I stopped carrying it. Also won't sell it because I worry it might happen with the new owner. The problem is I am not sure I would even trust the P365. I don't recall of any similar issues, but the company & quality control is the issue. P226 design wise should be safe but I recall the quality control has been up and down at SIG USA over the years. |
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Quoted: I learned never buy a new SIG product SIG P320 and the SIG 556. I liked both at first but later found them sucked. Sold the 556 and the P320 sits in its case collecting dust. It was the first of the first gen. Stupid me I should know better. Like the Covid shot I refused to be a lab rat, but with new guns I am a sucker. Lesson learned. I’ll never forget being confused as to why my EOTech was clearly crooked when I mounted it on my very early (fish gills) SIG 556 rifle. SIG was beyond reproach at that time. I bought a P320 Compact (again an early model) but with a manual safety. I just couldn’t trust it even with the safety so I sold it before the issue really took over the gun-o-sphere. I still like their products, but no more early adoption for me. It’s a shame. In fact, there is a P320 X5 Legion at one of my local gun shops. I’ve held it and I would love to own it, but I won’t. I will wait until they resolve the issue and I’m convinced that the pistol is safe, which is going to take some real convincing at this point. Again, it’s a real shame, but when it comes to bullets, “if there is doubt, there is no doubt.” |
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Quoted: The problem is I am not sure I would even trust the P365. I don't recall of any similar issues, but the company & quality control is the issue. P226 design wise should be safe but I recall the quality control has been up and down at SIG USA over the years. True, but there haven't been any real issues with the legacy DA/SA guns that I'm aware of other than early all-stainless P220s. I have a new-ish 220 Elite, a new 226 Elite and a 229 Legion that have all been flawless. I would buy more P22- guns without hesitation. Only issue I've seen with the 365 is the dead trigger. Went to the range with a kid that had that happen to him while we were there. Had less than 100 rounds through the gun. Sig fixed it, but it soured me on that platform. |
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Quoted: Never fails, somebody has to post a comparison to Glock in every handgun thread. That's pretty telling. A lot of people who ran out and bought a P320 initially were the Glock hater crowd who got giddy about buying the “military approved” alternative to rub it in the Glock fan boi’s faces. Sig knows this and that’s why they double down on vet-bro lifestyle marketing to sell their basket case. Almost every Sig P320 fan I see is quick to tell people how much better the grip and trigger is when compared to a Glock. They’re emotionally invested in their Glock killing messiah, no matter its flaws. |
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Quoted: True, but there haven't been any real issues with the legacy DA/SA guns that I'm aware of other than early all-stainless P220s. I have a new-ish 220 Elite, a new 226 Elite and a 229 Legion that have all been flawless. I would buy more P22- guns without hesitation. Only issue I've seen with the 365 is the dead trigger. Went to the range with a kid that had that happen to him while we were there. Had less than 100 rounds through the gun. Sig fixed it, but it soured me on that platform. Quoted: Quoted: The problem is I am not sure I would even trust the P365. I don't recall of any similar issues, but the company & quality control is the issue. P226 design wise should be safe but I recall the quality control has been up and down at SIG USA over the years. True, but there haven't been any real issues with the legacy DA/SA guns that I'm aware of other than early all-stainless P220s. I have a new-ish 220 Elite, a new 226 Elite and a 229 Legion that have all been flawless. I would buy more P22- guns without hesitation. Only issue I've seen with the 365 is the dead trigger. Went to the range with a kid that had that happen to him while we were there. Had less than 100 rounds through the gun. Sig fixed it, but it soured me on that platform. Since Cohen took over, there's been many problems with the legacy designs falling QC and having parts breakages for LE contacts. It's been documented in the big Sig thread by one of the guys in Fed LE. I can't remember who, though. |
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Quoted: A lot of people who ran out and bought a P320 initially were the Glock hater crowd who got giddy about buying the "military approved" alternative to rub it in the Glock fan boi's faces. Sig knows this and that's why they double down on vet-bro lifestyle marketing to sell their basket case. Almost every Sig P320 fan I see is quick to tell people how much better the grip and trigger is when compared to a Glock. They're emotionally invested in their Glock killing messiah, no matter its flaws. |
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Quoted: Having a consistent 'Dear God, Don't go worse than this' point of comparison is a good thing. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:Grip would still be better than a glock.... That's pretty telling. Some serious GDS right there. 
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Quoted: Wonder if they’re planning to update older ones. Once this controversy finally dies off… I might sell mine. I should have bought another M&P or my first Glock instead. I just got done selling my P320s off. Was more to do with standardizing on Glocks and less to do with the drama. The trick to selling a P320 is to sell the FCU separate. It's easy to dump the FCU for $250. Then if you want the complete upper to sell fast, list it for $250. Net $500 per pistol, which is not bad considering they are selling complete for $350 or less. The mags were harder to sell than the pistols. Would've thought $25 per OEM SIG Mecgar mag would've sold fast, but had to sell them for $20 each. |
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Quoted: Updating new pistols with a heavier trigger.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrNeQ861Al0It's toward the end of the video.. In the first minutes of the video he says nothing is wrong mechanically with the pistol, but the trigger pull is too easy. Walther, Canik, S&W (w/ apex) just entered the chat. They want to know why their guns aren't going off with far easier triggers. If the trigger truly was too easy on a Sig, I would argue that it's still Sig's negligence at fault. You don't see companies putting out 1911s without thumb safeties, even though the guns would not go off without pressing the trigger. That's without even getting into countless videos of sigs going off in the holsters of experienced shooters. |
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Quoted: I learned never buy a new SIG product SIG P320 and the SIG 556. I liked both at first but later found them sucked. Sold the 556 and the P320 sits in its case collecting dust. It was the first of the first gen. Stupid me I should know better. Like the Covid shot I refused to be a lab rat, but with new guns I am a sucker. Lesson learned. You're not alone. Sig fooled me twice, too. I ended up selling my 365 at a huge loss, but my MPX is an SBR with my trust info engraved on it. I'm not even going to try to sell that. |