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Posted: 9/11/2024 5:38:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: D_J]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: The fans on the AIO should go into CPU fan header. The rest of the fans can connect to the CHA headers. The AIO fans should get treated the same as fans on an air cooler. The thing with a hub or controller is they are not all the same. If you plug all the chassis fans into a hub and then hub into a CHA header the hub only gets one signal off the header for fan speed. Some allow you to individually control each fan but you have to run software to do that. I prefer to just let the bios auto fan tuning run and I'm happy with the results. Just day to day use my PC is almost silent. My AIO has a splitter that I just leave tucked in the side of the case. I don't want to run EVGA software to control fans and pump speed. With the AIO header on my MB the bios can see the pump speed. Well, I feel like a real dummy. I looked at all the plugs again today with a flashlight so I could read the labels correctly and realized two things: 1) all AIO fans are on CPU_FAN1 (CPU fan) and CPU_FAN2 (radiator fans via PWM splitter). The third I thought was just the ARGB for the LEDs on the CPU cooler mount. So its plugged into ADDR_LED2 and the radiator fan ARGB are in the CM hub. I suppose I could try to route both to the hub, but I don't think its long enough to reach the back of the main plate and I really don't care if it just cycles on its own. I also realized that the chassis fans were plugged into RGB_LED1 when they should have been in CHA_FAN4. When I followed the build guide for the case, I forgot they were using an ASRock x670e Taichi vs. my PG Lightning I had the different plug in where his chassis fan plug was. Rookie mistake of following a video when the components don't match exactly but I was a big overwhelmed at all the loose parts and the best order to follow. All fans are quiet now, so I'll install the Arctic fans in the base and see how I like them, and whether I want to replace or keep the front provided fans. I also might try to unmount the rear fan and try to mount it outside the chassis for more clearance from the AIO water tubes. Thanks again to you and everyone who helped with advice and suggestions, I'm sure I'll have more. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:45:28 PM EDT
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If you need to a 3 pack of Noctua 4 pin fan extensions is like $10 on Amazon.
Running fans off a hub can work but you either need software that constantly runs in the background OR if you do something like bios fan tuning the fan speed control will send one signal out that sets every fan to the same RPM despite being in different locations or different sizes. I just have a personal disdain for 'extra' shit that runs in the background but everyone who builds their own PC has a unique setup and some of the cases coming out how have more fans than there are headers for or the newer fans that daisy chain. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:19:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: D_J]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rebel31: If you need to a 3 pack of Noctua 4 pin fan extensions is like $10 on Amazon. Running fans off a hub can work but you either need software that constantly runs in the background OR if you do something like bios fan tuning the fan speed control will send one signal out that sets every fan to the same RPM despite being in different locations or different sizes. I just have a personal disdain for 'extra' shit that runs in the background but everyone who builds their own PC has a unique setup and some of the cases coming out how have more fans than there are headers for or the newer fans that daisy chain. I get it and it makes sense. At the least, I should put the rear fan on another plug since it is a different size from the front. The AIO radiator fans are on a splitter but I think they should run the same speed anyhow. Any new fans will get their own mb location. One thing that still has me scratching my head is the RAM. It’s DDR5-6000, but if I leave the BIOS on auto detect it shows it as DDR5-4800. I have it manually set to 6000 and all the auto detect timing is correct in both configs so  
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:32:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: castlebravo84]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: I get it and it makes sense. At the least, I should put the rear fan on another plug since it is a different size from the front. The AIO radiator fans are on a splitter but I think they should run the same speed anyhow. Any new fans will get their own mb location. One thing that still has me scratching my head is the RAM. It’s DDR5-6000, but if I leave the BIOS on auto detect it shows it as DDR5-4800. I have it manually set to 6000 and all the auto detect timing is correct in both configs so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_1674-3319974.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: Originally Posted By Rebel31: If you need to a 3 pack of Noctua 4 pin fan extensions is like $10 on Amazon. Running fans off a hub can work but you either need software that constantly runs in the background OR if you do something like bios fan tuning the fan speed control will send one signal out that sets every fan to the same RPM despite being in different locations or different sizes. I just have a personal disdain for 'extra' shit that runs in the background but everyone who builds their own PC has a unique setup and some of the cases coming out how have more fans than there are headers for or the newer fans that daisy chain. I get it and it makes sense. At the least, I should put the rear fan on another plug since it is a different size from the front. The AIO radiator fans are on a splitter but I think they should run the same speed anyhow. Any new fans will get their own mb location. One thing that still has me scratching my head is the RAM. It’s DDR5-6000, but if I leave the BIOS on auto detect it shows it as DDR5-4800. I have it manually set to 6000 and all the auto detect timing is correct in both configs so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_1674-3319974.jpg Under DRAM Profile Configuration you should be able to select the preprogrammed EXPO or XMP profile for your DDR5 kit assuming it has one. That is likely what you already did if it auto set the correct timings. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:22:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Under DRAM Profile Configuration you should be able to select the preprogrammed EXPO or XMP profile for your DDR5 kit assuming it has one. That is likely what you already did if it auto set the correct timings. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By castlebravo84: Originally Posted By D_J: Originally Posted By Rebel31: If you need to a 3 pack of Noctua 4 pin fan extensions is like $10 on Amazon. Running fans off a hub can work but you either need software that constantly runs in the background OR if you do something like bios fan tuning the fan speed control will send one signal out that sets every fan to the same RPM despite being in different locations or different sizes. I just have a personal disdain for 'extra' shit that runs in the background but everyone who builds their own PC has a unique setup and some of the cases coming out how have more fans than there are headers for or the newer fans that daisy chain. I get it and it makes sense. At the least, I should put the rear fan on another plug since it is a different size from the front. The AIO radiator fans are on a splitter but I think they should run the same speed anyhow. Any new fans will get their own mb location. One thing that still has me scratching my head is the RAM. It’s DDR5-6000, but if I leave the BIOS on auto detect it shows it as DDR5-4800. I have it manually set to 6000 and all the auto detect timing is correct in both configs so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_1674-3319974.jpg Under DRAM Profile Configuration you should be able to select the preprogrammed EXPO or XMP profile for your DDR5 kit assuming it has one. That is likely what you already did if it auto set the correct timings. I did. Just not sure why it auto-detects the wrong frequency. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 3:31:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: I did. Just not sure why it auto-detects the wrong frequency. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: Originally Posted By castlebravo84: Originally Posted By D_J: Originally Posted By Rebel31: If you need to a 3 pack of Noctua 4 pin fan extensions is like $10 on Amazon. Running fans off a hub can work but you either need software that constantly runs in the background OR if you do something like bios fan tuning the fan speed control will send one signal out that sets every fan to the same RPM despite being in different locations or different sizes. I just have a personal disdain for 'extra' shit that runs in the background but everyone who builds their own PC has a unique setup and some of the cases coming out how have more fans than there are headers for or the newer fans that daisy chain. I get it and it makes sense. At the least, I should put the rear fan on another plug since it is a different size from the front. The AIO radiator fans are on a splitter but I think they should run the same speed anyhow. Any new fans will get their own mb location. One thing that still has me scratching my head is the RAM. It's DDR5-6000, but if I leave the BIOS on auto detect it shows it as DDR5-4800. I have it manually set to 6000 and all the auto detect timing is correct in both configs so https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/174335/IMG_1674-3319974.jpg Under DRAM Profile Configuration you should be able to select the preprogrammed EXPO or XMP profile for your DDR5 kit assuming it has one. That is likely what you already did if it auto set the correct timings. I did. Just not sure why it auto-detects the wrong frequency. The rated speed is with EXPO enabled. I have DDR4 but mine is rated to 4000mhz. I only get that speed running XMP II. XMP I gives me 3600mhz. With no profile enabled it runs at 3200mhz. On GSkill's website: * Enable the EXPO profile in the BIOS to reach up to the rated overclock speed of this memory kit. Maximum memory speed and system stability depends on the capability of the motherboard & CPU. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:15:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nophun]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: I did. Just not sure why it auto-detects the wrong frequency. RAM has a chip one it which gives the BIOS basic timing (SPD) that is guaranteed stable for system start up and testing. EXPO is basically factory approved overclocking. If something wasn't quite right on system build, the EXPO speed could cause system crashes; SPD allows you to eliminate RAM timing as the cause. or something like that |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nophun: RAM has a chip one it which gives the BIOS basic timing (SPD) that is guaranteed stable for system start up and testing. EXPO is basically factory approved overclocking. If something wasn't quite right on system build, the EXPO speed could cause system crashes; SPD allows you to eliminate RAM timing as the cause. or something like that Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nophun: Originally Posted By D_J: I did. Just not sure why it auto-detects the wrong frequency. RAM has a chip one it which gives the BIOS basic timing (SPD) that is guaranteed stable for system start up and testing. EXPO is basically factory approved overclocking. If something wasn't quite right on system build, the EXPO speed could cause system crashes; SPD allows you to eliminate RAM timing as the cause. or something like that True, and at least on my system, when doing a bios update some settings get reset. I have to go enable XMP II, re-run the fan tuning, and other annoying shit like the boot loading screen settings. I prefer to have the traditional boot loader AMI screen for ~5 seconds and then remove the boot logo lol |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:11:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:17:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: I did. Just not sure why it auto-detects the wrong frequency. Run this test and post a screengrab of your results. https://zentimings.com/ |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:37:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eracer: Run this test and post a screengrab of your results. https://zentimings.com/ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eracer: Originally Posted By D_J: I did. Just not sure why it auto-detects the wrong frequency. Run this test and post a screengrab of your results. https://zentimings.com/ @eracer 
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Posted: 9/17/2024 6:40:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eracer]
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@D_J
Your RAM is running at 6000 MT/s (often mistakenly thought of as MHz) MCLK=UCLK (3000:3000) UCLK is the Unified Memory Controller Clock Frequency - essentially the clock speed of the on-die memory controller. MCLK is the Master Clock frequency. You want UCLK=MCLK In short, you're GTG.  I tweaked a few other RAM timings a little, based on advice from overclock.net I don't know enough to advise you on that, but I did see these increases: Write - 5% Read - 12% Copy - 4% Latency - 8% One thing I did on my own was bump the FCLK up from 2000 to 2200. FCLK is the clock frequency of the infinity fabric interconnect. Mistake! My computer wouldn't even POST after that, and I had to reload the default BIOS and redo all my settings. I did eventually increase it to 2133, again based on advice from the helpful experts at overclock.net One of them told me this: Essentially every Raphael CPU that isn't defective will do 2000 FCLK. ~90% of them will do 2100 FCLK. More than half will do 2133 FCLK. Past that things start to fall off pretty quickly; probably less than one-in-fifty will do 2200+ FCLK with any kind of stability and most won't POST. Lesson learned. Memory tweaking is a game best left to the experts, not neophytes like me.  Your 7800X3D is a Raphael chip. I think you're fine leaving FCLK at 2000. I use my computer almost exclusively for playing Microsoft Flight Simulator, which is the most demanding game there is on system resources. I want as much performance as I can squeeze out of it while remaining 100% stable. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:59:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eracer: @D_J Your RAM is running at 6000 MT/s (often mistakenly thought of as MHz) MCLK=UCLK (3000:3000) UCLK is the Unified Memory Controller Clock Frequency - essentially the clock speed of the on-die memory controller. MCLK is the Master Clock frequency. You want UCLK=MCLK In short, you're GTG. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/31267/ARF_-_D_J_ZenTimings-3324635.png I tweaked a few other RAM timings a little, based on advice from overclock.net I don't know enough to advise you on that, but I did see these increases: Write - 5% Read - 12% Copy - 4% Latency - 8% One thing I did on my own was bump the FCLK up from 2000 to 2200. FCLK is the clock frequency of the infinity fabric interconnect. Mistake! My computer wouldn't even POST after that, and I had to reload the default BIOS and redo all my settings. I did eventually increase it to 2133, again based on advice from the helpful experts at overclock.net One of them told me this: Essentially every Raphael CPU that isn't defective will do 2000 FCLK. ~90% of them will do 2100 FCLK. More than half will do 2133 FCLK. Past that things start to fall off pretty quickly; probably less than one-in-fifty will do 2200+ FCLK with any kind of stability and most won't POST. Lesson learned. Memory tweaking is a game best left to the experts, not neophytes like me. Your 7800X3D is a Raphael chip. I think you're fine leaving FCLK at 2000. I use my computer almost exclusively for playing Microsoft Flight Simulator, which is the most demanding game there is on system resources. I want as much performance as I can squeeze out of it while remaining 100% stable. Thanks. I'm vaguely familiar with OC on the Intel chips, but I haven't had an AMD CPU in ... maybe forever, not sure, and don't think I ever tuned my RAM. I don't recognize 99% of the tuning/BIOS parameters so I play to leave everything alone for quite a while. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 7:46:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: Thanks. I'm vaguely familiar with OC on the Intel chips, but I haven't had an AMD CPU in ... maybe forever, not sure, and don't think I ever tuned my RAM. I don't recognize 99% of the tuning/BIOS parameters so I play to leave everything alone for quite a while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By D_J: Originally Posted By eracer: @D_J Your RAM is running at 6000 MT/s (often mistakenly thought of as MHz) MCLK=UCLK (3000:3000) UCLK is the Unified Memory Controller Clock Frequency - essentially the clock speed of the on-die memory controller. MCLK is the Master Clock frequency. You want UCLK=MCLK In short, you're GTG. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/31267/ARF_-_D_J_ZenTimings-3324635.png I tweaked a few other RAM timings a little, based on advice from overclock.net I don't know enough to advise you on that, but I did see these increases: Write - 5% Read - 12% Copy - 4% Latency - 8% One thing I did on my own was bump the FCLK up from 2000 to 2200. FCLK is the clock frequency of the infinity fabric interconnect. Mistake! My computer wouldn't even POST after that, and I had to reload the default BIOS and redo all my settings. I did eventually increase it to 2133, again based on advice from the helpful experts at overclock.net One of them told me this: Essentially every Raphael CPU that isn't defective will do 2000 FCLK. ~90% of them will do 2100 FCLK. More than half will do 2133 FCLK. Past that things start to fall off pretty quickly; probably less than one-in-fifty will do 2200+ FCLK with any kind of stability and most won't POST. Lesson learned. Memory tweaking is a game best left to the experts, not neophytes like me. Your 7800X3D is a Raphael chip. I think you're fine leaving FCLK at 2000. I use my computer almost exclusively for playing Microsoft Flight Simulator, which is the most demanding game there is on system resources. I want as much performance as I can squeeze out of it while remaining 100% stable. Thanks. I'm vaguely familiar with OC on the Intel chips, but I haven't had an AMD CPU in ... maybe forever, not sure, and don't think I ever tuned my RAM. I don't recognize 99% of the tuning/BIOS parameters so I play to leave everything alone for quite a while. If you want to tune it further without getting too deep into the weeds, I would suggest copying the settings in this guide. Odds are it will work, and it will be extremely close in performance to a max effort ram OC.  Easy memory timings for Hynix DDR5 with Ryzen 7000 |
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