[ARCHIVED THREAD] - PDW Selection (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/3/2007 9:10:30 AM EDT
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Lets say that you had secured employment overseas doing telecom work that has high rates of kidnapping and other violence. You will be working alone or with small groups. You have "third world permit" for a weapon and the government is fairly stable. Your race makes you stick out. You will be traveling via light truck and having to go to remote areas. ammo resupply is not a given. So the fictional person who is considering a fictional contract requires a weapon, because the fictional person dosen't like fictional butsecks and beheading nor being held for ransom It must be compact/and provide a high volume of fire Assume that fictional person has a CCW 9mm handgun as well |
 This guy is a wimp and can't make accurate burst fire in a compact .308 volume of fire may be teh difference between buttsecks and going home |
Beats me. Steyr would know.
I've handled a couple, and they feel like a slightly more awkward MP5 thanks to the more awkward charging handle. Other than that they seemed good to go. |
Then I would vote SBR AR or 53 depending on which system I was more familiar with. |
Needs special mags, probably 4 in a regular mag Does very well in short barrels...16" is almost too long if you compare velocities. I think the diff. between 16" and 22" was under 100fps or something... |
There are 25 rnders out for the 6.8. They look almost identical to the standard STANAG 30 rounders. You cannot load 6.8 into 5.56 mags, it bows out the mag after 4/5 rounds. 6.8 was designed (as far as I know) to be a round that replaces 5.56 in CQ environments, so I would ASSuME that it will perform better, meaning more knockdown power (more is gooder?).  Check out 68forums.com or the 6.8 discussion thread in AR Varients section for more accurate info. ETA: I vote for 10.5" AR until the Masada or Magpul PDR comes out. |
I thought that was the point of 6.8 that it would use nato mags and be a drop in upper conversion, educate me some more... what was the other one that was competing with the 6.8SPC |
Cycling isn't dependent upon gas system setup to barrel length compatability. Less to go wrong. |
6.5 Grendel? I think that needs special mags too. I have tried to get 6.8 into different AR mags, no such luck. from DocGKR: SSA 6.8 2nd generation SMK w/cannelure, 5 shot averages: 20” barrel: ave vel = 2561 fps; 10 fps extreme spread 16” barrel: ave vel = 2525 fps; 18 fps extreme spread -- lost 36 fps 12.5” barrel: ave vel = 2384 fps; 12 fps extreme spread -- lost 141 fps 10” barrel: ave vel = 2265 fps; 27 fps extreme spread -- lost 119 fps 7.5” barrel: ave vel = 2035 fps; 27 fps extreme spread -- lost 230 fps Only bad part is cost, right now its about a buck a round. I need to get some 6.8 dies. |
Have a part count similar to a FAL. The reason you can't use a MP5 type charging handle is you have to break to rollers which keep the bolt locked up. And you need more leverage for .223 than you do 9mm. The only reason I would take it over a Colt Commando is the potentially crappy AO might fuck with the shorty ARs gas system when it comes to cycling. HK don't have a gas system so this consideration is eliminated. Krinks aren't bad, but I prefer the accuracy of other choices, not to mention th easier mag changes with HK straight insert mags vs. Krink rock n lock. |
Oh yeah its a cost of doing business and will be destroyed or given to a worthy local when done, There will be others traveling with for secuirty but this person is old fashion and wants to have the ability to rely on himself This person is not working for a PMC nor in an active warzone, rather a more dicey third world place where kidnapping and the sort is rather commonplace. Think Lion King  type of terrain
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Terminal performance at long range is better, and honestly I can barely tell the difference in recoil between 6.8 and 5.56...that said I still have plenty of 5.56weapons...just not 5.56 ammo 
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Not sure the biggest fear that my friend told me was the famous Africian roadblock. My friend has no intention of going into a hostile building knowlingly, but might need to fight his way out of a hotel |