Posted: 12/30/2015 9:41:14 AM EDT
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This applies to Windows 8 or 8.1 with the Media Center add-on.
If you install the Media Center add-on (it used to be a $10 upgrade for the Pro versions of Windows 8 or 8.1), it overwrites your original Product Key for the underlying Windows. Thus, the Media Center key becomes your Windows key. So far so good. But Microsoft stopped selling the Media Center add-on at the end of October, so the key is no longer available from them. Media Center will still install if you have a valid product key. I have a computer that I built earlier this year, with Windows 8.1 and the Media Center add-on. Everything was working fine. I just bought a new laptop and installed Windows 8.1 from a new DVD. It activated fine. But then I decided I wanted Media Center on that one as well. I go to Microsoft's website and discover they won't sell me one. So I think, hey, why not use the key from the previous installation? (I didn't know about the overwrite problem.) So I did that, and it worked. Oops. The next time I to go to boot up the laptop, a message pops up saying my copy of Windows is not authentic / activated. So, installing Media Center with the previous key deactivated my whole Windows installation! As far as Microsoft knows, I am trying to use the same copy of Windows on two different computers -- which was not my intention at all. I went to Microsoft's automated reactivation telephone number and got the code to reactivate the laptop. But now, I'm sure, the other computer is deactivated. (I haven't tried to boot it up yet.) My plan now is to do a System Restore on the laptop to remove the Media Center, and then call and try to reactivate the other computer. We'll see how this goes. Be warned by my experience. BTW, does anyone have an unused Media Center product key (specifically for Windows 8.1) they would like to sell? Microsoft says they might be available from third parties, but so far I haven't been able to find one. |
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No idea why you would need media center anyways. Because some of us use PC or network based tuners like the HDHomeRun and need a way to schedule and record shows/content along with having an EPG (tv show listing). Media Center was a nice relatively easy way to do so. When I rolled one of my PC's to Windows 10, because it removed Windows Media Center as part of the upgrade, I had to reinstall BeyondTV (which hasn't been updated in four or five years now) that I hadn't used in a few years. Fortunatly the EPG for BTV is still being updated weekly. Are there other third party solutions? Yes but not all of them integrate nicely with certain tuners like the HDHR. |
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No idea why you would need media center anyways. Because some of us use PC or network based tuners like the HDHomeRun and need a way to schedule and record shows/content along with having an EPG (tv show listing). Media Center was a nice relatively easy way to do so. When I rolled one of my PC's to Windows 10, because it removed Windows Media Center as part of the upgrade, I had to reinstall BeyondTV (which hasn't been updated in four or five years now) that I hadn't used in a few years. Fortunatly the EPG for BTV is still being updated weekly. Are there other third party solutions? Yes but not all of them integrate nicely with certain tuners like the HDHR. Yes. I have Hauppauge TV tuner cards in all my computers, and the Hauppauge software is lousy compared to Media Center. Media Center was included by default in Windows 7, was a $10 add-on for Windows 8 and 8.1, and is not available at all for Windows 10. This in fact is a reason why some people are not upgrading to Windows 10. Microsoft is really pushing the transition to Windows 10. The aim of this transition, in the long run, is to maximize its profits. Windows 10 will eventually be a "service" rather than a "product" -- a service from which Microsoft will be milking subscription fees. (Anyway, that's the plan.) There is really no reason for Microsoft to stop selling the Media Center key, other than to remove an incentive for sticking with Windows 8.1. If MS wanted to provide a carrot (rather than a stick) to get people to switch to Windows 10, it could simply have made Media Center an option on Windows 10, the way it was on 8 / 8.1. Why MS didn't is a complete mystery. (The other thing MS could have done is provide better backwards compatibility for hardware and software. With each new generation of Windows, I've had perfectly good hardware and software that is no longer usable. That's why I still have computer(s) running Windows 98SE.) |
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Weird that pirating software is less complicated than going legit.... isn't it? Its plain stupid. My wife had an ancient laptop with legit windows on it. I had to reformat and it was much easier to install pirated windows than jump through hurdles to find the old product key. I figure it was paid for originally for THAT computer, so fuck em'. That ancient thing didnt need updates anyway for what I needed it for. |
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Yes. I have Hauppauge TV tuner cards in all my computers, and the Hauppauge software is lousy compared to Media Center. Media Center was included by default in Windows 7, was a $10 add-on for Windows 8 and 8.1, and is not available at all for Windows 10. This in fact is a reason why some people are not upgrading to Windows 10. Microsoft is really pushing the transition to Windows 10. The aim of this transition, in the long run, is to maximize its profits. Windows 10 will eventually be a "service" rather than a "product" -- a service from which Microsoft will be milking subscription fees. (Anyway, that's the plan.) There is really no reason for Microsoft to stop selling the Media Center key, other than to remove an incentive for sticking with Windows 8.1. If MS wanted to provide a carrot (rather than a stick) to get people to switch to Windows 10, it could simply have made Media Center an option on Windows 10, the way it was on 8 / 8.1. Why MS didn't is a complete mystery. (The other thing MS could have done is provide better backwards compatibility for hardware and software. With each new generation of Windows, I've had perfectly good hardware and software that is no longer usable. That's why I still have computer(s) running Windows 98SE.) Quoted:
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No idea why you would need media center anyways. Because some of us use PC or network based tuners like the HDHomeRun and need a way to schedule and record shows/content along with having an EPG (tv show listing). Media Center was a nice relatively easy way to do so. When I rolled one of my PC's to Windows 10, because it removed Windows Media Center as part of the upgrade, I had to reinstall BeyondTV (which hasn't been updated in four or five years now) that I hadn't used in a few years. Fortunatly the EPG for BTV is still being updated weekly. Are there other third party solutions? Yes but not all of them integrate nicely with certain tuners like the HDHR. Yes. I have Hauppauge TV tuner cards in all my computers, and the Hauppauge software is lousy compared to Media Center. Media Center was included by default in Windows 7, was a $10 add-on for Windows 8 and 8.1, and is not available at all for Windows 10. This in fact is a reason why some people are not upgrading to Windows 10. Microsoft is really pushing the transition to Windows 10. The aim of this transition, in the long run, is to maximize its profits. Windows 10 will eventually be a "service" rather than a "product" -- a service from which Microsoft will be milking subscription fees. (Anyway, that's the plan.) There is really no reason for Microsoft to stop selling the Media Center key, other than to remove an incentive for sticking with Windows 8.1. If MS wanted to provide a carrot (rather than a stick) to get people to switch to Windows 10, it could simply have made Media Center an option on Windows 10, the way it was on 8 / 8.1. Why MS didn't is a complete mystery. (The other thing MS could have done is provide better backwards compatibility for hardware and software. With each new generation of Windows, I've had perfectly good hardware and software that is no longer usable. That's why I still have computer(s) running Windows 98SE.) It isn't a mystery. In fact, Microsoft has been very open WRT their decision to abandon it. They said the user base was so small that it wasn't going to bother with updates. In fact, their Media Center team was disbanded years ago. However, they committed to supporting it for 5 years on Windows 7 and 8 years on Windows 8/8.1. Beyond that, there is simply no financial motivator to support it. They also warn you up front before upgrading to Windows 10 that you would lose Media Center. I know that because I specifically remember the warning when I upgraded. They scanned my computer and listed all of the hardware/software that wouldn't work on Windows 10. Media Center was the only item on the list and I had to confirm that I was OK with losing it. OP just learned the hard way that reading isn't always overrated. |
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It isn't a mystery. In fact, Microsoft has been very open WRT their decision to abandon it. They said the user base was so small that it wasn't going to bother with updates. In fact, their Media Center team was disbanded years ago. However, they committed to supporting it for 5 years on Windows 7 and 8 years on Windows 8/8.1. Beyond that, there is simply no financial motivator to support it. They also warn you up front before upgrading to Windows 10 that you would lose Media Center. I know that because I specifically remember the warning when I upgraded. They scanned my computer and listed all of the hardware/software that wouldn't work on Windows 10. Media Center was the only item on the list and I had to confirm that I was OK with losing it. OP just learned the hard way that reading isn't always overrated. Quoted:
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No idea why you would need media center anyways. Because some of us use PC or network based tuners like the HDHomeRun and need a way to schedule and record shows/content along with having an EPG (tv show listing). Media Center was a nice relatively easy way to do so. When I rolled one of my PC's to Windows 10, because it removed Windows Media Center as part of the upgrade, I had to reinstall BeyondTV (which hasn't been updated in four or five years now) that I hadn't used in a few years. Fortunatly the EPG for BTV is still being updated weekly. Are there other third party solutions? Yes but not all of them integrate nicely with certain tuners like the HDHR. Yes. I have Hauppauge TV tuner cards in all my computers, and the Hauppauge software is lousy compared to Media Center. Media Center was included by default in Windows 7, was a $10 add-on for Windows 8 and 8.1, and is not available at all for Windows 10. This in fact is a reason why some people are not upgrading to Windows 10. Microsoft is really pushing the transition to Windows 10. The aim of this transition, in the long run, is to maximize its profits. Windows 10 will eventually be a "service" rather than a "product" -- a service from which Microsoft will be milking subscription fees. (Anyway, that's the plan.) There is really no reason for Microsoft to stop selling the Media Center key, other than to remove an incentive for sticking with Windows 8.1. If MS wanted to provide a carrot (rather than a stick) to get people to switch to Windows 10, it could simply have made Media Center an option on Windows 10, the way it was on 8 / 8.1. Why MS didn't is a complete mystery. (The other thing MS could have done is provide better backwards compatibility for hardware and software. With each new generation of Windows, I've had perfectly good hardware and software that is no longer usable. That's why I still have computer(s) running Windows 98SE.) It isn't a mystery. In fact, Microsoft has been very open WRT their decision to abandon it. They said the user base was so small that it wasn't going to bother with updates. In fact, their Media Center team was disbanded years ago. However, they committed to supporting it for 5 years on Windows 7 and 8 years on Windows 8/8.1. Beyond that, there is simply no financial motivator to support it. They also warn you up front before upgrading to Windows 10 that you would lose Media Center. I know that because I specifically remember the warning when I upgraded. They scanned my computer and listed all of the hardware/software that wouldn't work on Windows 10. Media Center was the only item on the list and I had to confirm that I was OK with losing it. OP just learned the hard way that reading isn't always overrated. Windows 10 had the tendency of installing itself for some people... without permission. |
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News to me and the 200 windows 7 pc's I am over.  Quoted:
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Windows 10 had the tendency of installing itself for some people... without permission. News to me and the 200 windows 7 pc's I am over. http://bgr.com/2015/11/12/windows-10-automatic-update/ This Forbes article brings us the news that Microsoft recently confirmed that Windows 10 secretly installed itself on older computers that were still running Windows 7 and Windows 8. Apparently, it all started in August when the company rolled out an automatic update to Windows 7 and Windows 8 that triggered the installations.
This didn’t happen to all Windows 7 and Windows 8 users, of course, but some saw Windows 10 boot up unexpectedly on their machines, while others discovered numerous counts of installation attempts in their Windows update history that were blocked by user preferences. Some users also confirmed that Windows 10 tried to install itself dozens of times. Microsoft identified the bug that turns Windows 10 into an automatic install, and says it should be fixed now. |
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Quoted: News to me and the 200 windows 7 pc's I am over. Quoted: Quoted: Windows 10 had the tendency of installing itself for some people... without permission. News to me and the 200 windows 7 pc's I am over. Home user sitting at home with their personal computer? Yeah, it has happened. |
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Windows 10 had the tendency of installing itself for some people... without permission. News to me and the 200 windows 7 pc's I am over. http://bgr.com/2015/11/12/windows-10-automatic-update/ This Forbes article brings us the news that Microsoft recently confirmed that Windows 10 secretly installed itself on older computers that were still running Windows 7 and Windows 8. Apparently, it all started in August when the company rolled out an automatic update to Windows 7 and Windows 8 that triggered the installations.
This didn’t happen to all Windows 7 and Windows 8 users, of course, but some saw Windows 10 boot up unexpectedly on their machines, while others discovered numerous counts of installation attempts in their Windows update history that were blocked by user preferences. Some users also confirmed that Windows 10 tried to install itself dozens of times. Microsoft identified the bug that turns Windows 10 into an automatic install, and says it should be fixed now. Hah. Crazy. I've had two tards so far install it here because it seemed like a good idea. 
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Quoted: They take the same measures that just about every other software company takes WRT paid software. Quoted: Quoted: I hate MS with their nazi anti pirating bs. They make things so much harder then they need to be for legit users. They take the same measures that just about every other software company takes WRT paid software. |
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No idea why you would need media center anyways. Because some of us use PC or network based tuners like the HDHomeRun and need a way to schedule and record shows/content along with having an EPG (tv show listing). Media Center was a nice relatively easy way to do so. When I rolled one of my PC's to Windows 10, because it removed Windows Media Center as part of the upgrade, I had to reinstall BeyondTV (which hasn't been updated in four or five years now) that I hadn't used in a few years. Fortunatly the EPG for BTV is still being updated weekly. Are there other third party solutions? Yes but not all of them integrate nicely with certain tuners like the HDHR. Yes. I have Hauppauge TV tuner cards in all my computers, and the Hauppauge software is lousy compared to Media Center. Media Center was included by default in Windows 7, was a $10 add-on for Windows 8 and 8.1, and is not available at all for Windows 10. This in fact is a reason why some people are not upgrading to Windows 10. Microsoft is really pushing the transition to Windows 10. The aim of this transition, in the long run, is to maximize its profits. Windows 10 will eventually be a "service" rather than a "product" -- a service from which Microsoft will be milking subscription fees. (Anyway, that's the plan.) There is really no reason for Microsoft to stop selling the Media Center key, other than to remove an incentive for sticking with Windows 8.1. If MS wanted to provide a carrot (rather than a stick) to get people to switch to Windows 10, it could simply have made Media Center an option on Windows 10, the way it was on 8 / 8.1. Why MS didn't is a complete mystery. (The other thing MS could have done is provide better backwards compatibility for hardware and software. With each new generation of Windows, I've had perfectly good hardware and software that is no longer usable. That's why I still have computer(s) running Windows 98SE.) It isn't a mystery. In fact, Microsoft has been very open WRT their decision to abandon it. They said the user base was so small that it wasn't going to bother with updates. In fact, their Media Center team was disbanded years ago. However, they committed to supporting it for 5 years on Windows 7 and 8 years on Windows 8/8.1. Beyond that, there is simply no financial motivator to support it. They also warn you up front before upgrading to Windows 10 that you would lose Media Center. I know that because I specifically remember the warning when I upgraded. They scanned my computer and listed all of the hardware/software that wouldn't work on Windows 10. Media Center was the only item on the list and I had to confirm that I was OK with losing it. OP just learned the hard way that reading isn't always overrated. Windows 10 had the tendency of installing itself for some people... without permission. Absolutely fucking false. The install *REQUIRES* human intervention. Nobody just woke up with a Windows 10 computer one day. Stop spreading disinformation. |
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Absolutely fucking false. The install *REQUIRES* human intervention. Nobody just woke up with a Windows 10 computer one day. Stop spreading disinformation. Quoted:
Absolutely fucking false. The install *REQUIRES* human intervention. Nobody just woke up with a Windows 10 computer one day. Stop spreading disinformation. Care to try again? Microsoft identified the bug that turns Windows 10 into an automatic install, and says it should be fixed now. |
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This applies to Windows 8 or 8.1 with the Media Center add-on. If you install the Media Center add-on (it used to be a $10 upgrade for the Pro versions of Windows 8 or 8.1), it overwrites your original Product Key for the underlying Windows. Thus, the Media Center key becomes your Windows key. So far so good. But Microsoft stopped selling the Media Center add-on at the end of October, so the key is no longer available from them. Media Center will still install if you have a valid product key. I have a computer that I built earlier this year, with Windows 8.1 and the Media Center add-on. Everything was working fine. I just bought a new laptop and installed Windows 8.1 from a new DVD. It activated fine. But then I decided I wanted Media Center on that one as well. I go to Microsoft's website and discover they won't sell me one. So I think, hey, why not use the key from the previous installation? (I didn't know about the overwrite problem.) So I did that, and it worked. Oops. The next time I to go to boot up the laptop, a message pops up saying my copy of Windows is not authentic / activated. So, installing Media Center with the previous key deactivated my whole Windows installation! As far as Microsoft knows, I am trying to use the same copy of Windows on two different computers -- which was not my intention at all. I went to Microsoft's automated reactivation telephone number and got the code to reactivate the laptop. But now, I'm sure, the other computer is deactivated. (I haven't tried to boot it up yet.) My plan now is to do a System Restore on the laptop to remove the Media Center, and then call and try to reactivate the other computer. We'll see how this goes. Be warned by my experience. BTW, does anyone have an unused Media Center product key (specifically for Windows 8.1) they would like to sell? Microsoft says they might be available from third parties, but so far I haven't been able to find one. Man, it's almost as if they came out and told people this already... 
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Absolutely fucking false. The install *REQUIRES* human intervention. Nobody just woke up with a Windows 10 computer one day. Stop spreading disinformation. Care to try again? Microsoft identified the bug that turns Windows 10 into an automatic install, and says it should be fixed now. It would, very occasionally, be automatically checked as an optional update, which isn't supposed to happen, and was fixed, pretty damned quickly. The machine would download the sizable install files AND the install would start on its own but it *REQUIRED* the user to interact with the machine to get a full Win10 install. You could simply cancel at any time and roll right back to where you were yesterday. No Win10 at all for you, if that's your fucked up choice. Anyone who said "I just woke up one day and my shit was all Windows 10 and shit" is a liar. I actually do this shit for a living. I have a firm grasp of the scope of the entire fiasco. |
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I hate MS with their nazi anti pirating bs. They make things so much harder then they need to be for legit users. They take the same measures that just about every other software company takes WRT paid software. So what about their anti-pirating "bs" is so out of the ordinary WRT to other paid software? |
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Yes. I have Hauppauge TV tuner cards in all my computers, and the Hauppauge software is lousy compared to Media Center. Media Center was included by default in Windows 7, was a $10 add-on for Windows 8 and 8.1, and is not available at all for Windows 10. This in fact is a reason why some people are not upgrading to Windows 10. Microsoft is really pushing the transition to Windows 10. The aim of this transition, in the long run, is to maximize its profits. Windows 10 will eventually be a "service" rather than a "product" -- a service from which Microsoft will be milking subscription fees. (Anyway, that's the plan.) There is really no reason for Microsoft to stop selling the Media Center key, other than to remove an incentive for sticking with Windows 8.1. If MS wanted to provide a carrot (rather than a stick) to get people to switch to Windows 10, it could simply have made Media Center an option on Windows 10, the way it was on 8 / 8.1. Why MS didn't is a complete mystery. (The other thing MS could have done is provide better backwards compatibility for hardware and software. With each new generation of Windows, I've had perfectly good hardware and software that is no longer usable. That's why I still have computer(s) running Windows 98SE.) Quoted:
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No idea why you would need media center anyways. Because some of us use PC or network based tuners like the HDHomeRun and need a way to schedule and record shows/content along with having an EPG (tv show listing). Media Center was a nice relatively easy way to do so. When I rolled one of my PC's to Windows 10, because it removed Windows Media Center as part of the upgrade, I had to reinstall BeyondTV (which hasn't been updated in four or five years now) that I hadn't used in a few years. Fortunatly the EPG for BTV is still being updated weekly. Are there other third party solutions? Yes but not all of them integrate nicely with certain tuners like the HDHR. Yes. I have Hauppauge TV tuner cards in all my computers, and the Hauppauge software is lousy compared to Media Center. Media Center was included by default in Windows 7, was a $10 add-on for Windows 8 and 8.1, and is not available at all for Windows 10. This in fact is a reason why some people are not upgrading to Windows 10. Microsoft is really pushing the transition to Windows 10. The aim of this transition, in the long run, is to maximize its profits. Windows 10 will eventually be a "service" rather than a "product" -- a service from which Microsoft will be milking subscription fees. (Anyway, that's the plan.) There is really no reason for Microsoft to stop selling the Media Center key, other than to remove an incentive for sticking with Windows 8.1. If MS wanted to provide a carrot (rather than a stick) to get people to switch to Windows 10, it could simply have made Media Center an option on Windows 10, the way it was on 8 / 8.1. Why MS didn't is a complete mystery. (The other thing MS could have done is provide better backwards compatibility for hardware and software. With each new generation of Windows, I've had perfectly good hardware and software that is no longer usable. That's why I still have computer(s) running Windows 98SE.) Windows Media Center (WMC) is the only software supporting the encryption license to able to view encrypted channels via a cable card. CableLabs (The governing body), licensing fees are not inexpensive (100K and higher) and their certification process is strict. Microsoft has been the only software manufacture that has paid the fee and passed the certification process. Microsoft dropped media center because they had to pay for the rights to use encrypted video. Since few people were using WMC, they decided to drop it and save money on the licensing fee for each copy of Windows. Haven't tried this, but it will be great if it works: Get Windows Media Center Running on Windows 10 in a Few Easy Steps |
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Haven't tried this, but it will be great if it works: Get Windows Media Center Running on Windows 10 in a Few Easy Steps Yeah I'd go that route if I was using a cable tuner. Fortunately I'm not my HDHR is just a unencrypted QAM/ATSC tuner so I can get by with using VLC or BeyondTV. Too bad Snapstream discontinued BeyondTV with the last update to it back in 2010. At least they are keeping the EPG data it uses going, for now. 
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Fuck "Media Center" right in the ear!!! I haven't used that piece of flaming shit since...fuck, I don't remember. So what media center software do you use? I've tried a few different options and none worked as easily as Windows media center for DVR functionality on my HTPC. |
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I hate MS with their nazi anti pirating bs. They make things so much harder then they need to be for legit users. They take the same measures that just about every other software company takes WRT paid software. We license the software we write as well and tie it to a hardware ID. Any company that doesn't license the software that they sell is retarded. |
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Windows Media Center (WMC) is the only software supporting the encryption license to able to view encrypted channels via a cable card. CableLabs (The governing body), licensing fees are not inexpensive (100K and higher) and their certification process is strict. Microsoft has been the only software manufacture that has paid the fee and passed the certification process. Microsoft dropped media center because they had to pay for the rights to use encrypted video. Since few people were using WMC, they decided to drop it and save money on the licensing fee for each copy of Windows. Haven't tried this, but it will be great if it works: Get Windows Media Center Running on Windows 10 in a Few Easy Steps I put a new HDD in a spare machine and threw Win10 on it just to see if I could get WMC working on it as shown at that link, and other forums. Never had any success. After trying for a couple weeks, gave up. The plugin installed fine, the app ran; but DCA would never complete and it wouldn't download guide data. Haven't checked recently if it has gotten any better. |
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So what media center software do you use? I've tried a few different options and none worked as easily as Windows media center for DVR functionality on my HTPC. Quoted:
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Fuck "Media Center" right in the ear!!! I haven't used that piece of flaming shit since...fuck, I don't remember. So what media center software do you use? I've tried a few different options and none worked as easily as Windows media center for DVR functionality on my HTPC. Fact. I've been using Media center to watch TV and DVR since 2005. I tried other programs before that and they sucked. Recently Microsoft changed the service they use for guide information with no way to make it work with MCE 2005 so I can no longer DVR. So I decided to try all these other "Great" programs people talk about using. Guess what, they all still suck. When I started using MCE 2005 it was way better than any DVR I could get from the cable company. With a small hack I could run 3 TV cards and record 2 shows while watching another one live, or just record three shows at the same time. Something that was unheard of with any DVR at the time. So I'm about to rebuild my TV computer and use windows 7 with MCE. Tell me, what is a better option? |
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Tell me, what is a better option? If that's what works best for you, there's no better option. I too upgraded Win8 to Media Center and had to give serious consideration to the Win10 upgrade. I now use Win10 at work and home, and like it just fine, but there's nothing wrong with taking a step back. I skipped a free upgrade to Office 2016, since 2013 is great and I don't need any of the collaboration BS in 2016, or its associated complexity. Many people feel the same way about Win10 |
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Just bought a Windows 10 laptop. They want to be the Apple iTunes Store and sell you every little thing you need after you've already purchased the product.
As far as the automatic updates. It didn't install itself, but it damn sure has loaded up a bunch of shit on my PC and bugged me every day to do it on my win 7 desktop. |