[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Parachute Training..... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 2/15/2005 9:11:47 PM EDT
| Hello all. I am trying to find a school for civvies to take static line jump training. All I could find on the net was skydiving and static line jumps with the newer ram air type chute. I will travel to the school if they have the round T-10 or MC-1 parachutes for jumping. Also if anybody has pics of Paratroopers jumping would be greatly appreciated. Thanks again guys. |
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Somebody is probably doing it somewhere, but it would sure be unusual. To much risk/liability for the school operator vs. putting students out on ram-airs. It takes a really bad spot/really bad student to obtain an off-field landing with a ram-air. The injury rates are far lower on ram-airs. Easier to pack, too. Static line is also hard to find. Not nearly as much profit margin in it as the tandem jump. Less training. Lower injury rates. Warning: nostalgia follows!  I started sport skydiving when the industry was still very early in its transition to AFF and tandems were still experimental. I did one static line then AFF. The AFF/ram-air thing was very controversial--I learned at a "progressive" drop zone. It's amazing how things have changed since then. I was a static-line jumpmaster back in the day. There's still nothing like putting out a plane full of 1st timers on static lines, regardless of whether they're jumping rounds or squares.  Good luck finding your vintage ride! |
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I wanted to jump so bad when I was a kid that I tied two corners of a bed sheet to the belt loops on back of my pants, held the other two corners in my hands and took the plunge from the peak of my rooftop. The sheet didn't slow me down much, but landing on the hood of my father car did the trick.  Bot was he pissed. Hey, I was 7 at the time and it seemed to work in all the cartoons backthen. That was back in 1969 and I remember it like it was yesterday.Good luck with the T-10 |
| I jumped a T-10 back in 1976 in Moorsville IN. They had a drop zone there that would give you 4 hours of instruction and then kick you out at 2000'. It was great, exept for the landing. Those round chutes really are hard on the body, especially if there is a gusting wind. |
Only if I get to keep it afterwards 
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Most T-10's are past their service life. Probably all of them. I jumped T-10's and MC1-1B chutes when in the 82nd. I got out in '91. There is a new chute, but I'm not sure of the nomenclature. The only time we jumped T-10's was on mass tactical jumps. Hell, I jumped a T-7 a time or two. That was an experience. |
Thanks guys for all the input. My father was in the 82nd and early S.F. in the late 50's early 60's and also he was on the early 82nd skydive team. Free Fall with a round chute he was a crazy SOB. God rest his soul Any way I cant get in the U.S. Army to join the Paratroopers so I am determined to jump a round chute!!! Mainly because of nostalgia and It looks so fucking cool seeing Paratroopers at 1000 agl. STAND UP!! HOOK UP!! SOUND OFF FOR EQUIPMENT CHECK!!! STAND IN THE DOOR!!! GREEN LIGHT!!! GO!! GO!! GO!! Man when I was a kid I made sure all my G.I. Joes where "Airborne Qualified" and I hurt myself a time or two making home made chutes. So any way thanks for the pics and anymore info would help thanks guys. P.S. I wore out my copies of Heart break ridge and the Green Berets for the parachute scenes MUAHAHAHA!!!!
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Thanks alot for that link. Now you want to make me jump more than ever!!
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Wow You been around. How many jumps do you have total? And also did you do any chopper jumps?
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May of 89. I think we lost a third of our training company to injuries and quitters. Damn those were hard landings. |
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I was never afraid of the chute not opening or a door injury but it always hurt when I hit the ground. I was always between 180 and 190lbs. I never jumped anything else but the "round ones". My ache is I did a backwards PLF onto my right hip where my canteen cup and canteen were. I half crushed the metal cup and popped a full 1 quart. That was agony. I still cannot sit like an indian, or like a pretzel as my 6 year old calls it. |
I always wondered about the troopers battle rattle. I have some LC-2 gear and always said that this shit is gonna hurt on a PLF. There must of always been a ton injuries.
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Nothing wrong with static line a ram air chute. Be glad they arent forcing you to do a tandem jump. T-10 charlies SUCK why the hell do you want to jump on of those? |
Make that a Mass tac (500+jumpers) and jumping a Dragon. |
Man am I getting shit for wanting to jump a T-10!! LOL!! Nostalgia mainly and to be able to say I did it. I always thought Static Line Jumping the way Paratroopers jump is to fucking cool. Those are the tough guys. For a non spec- ops unit, they are the best bar none. Move over Marines the Paratroopers are the elite of the elite
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| We did one jump from a Chinook with a German Airborne unit that came to Bragg. Really fun experience. The only tailgate I ever did. Static line were held at waist (I think) and you took turns off the ramp. About 2 to 3 seconds per jumper. Walk to the edge of the tailgate and step off. They said the bird was going about 5 knots, it felt like it. Just like stepping off a diving board at 1100 feet (my highest jump). |
We made 2 jumps with out gear and 3 "combat jumps" with rucksacks and rubber rifles. 2of the 3 "combat jumps" at night. (Please, no offence to real combat jumps, that’s what they called it in training...) For some reason the night jumps did not seam as brutal of a landing. I landed hard and harder. And coming straight of basic and AIT I was in the best shape of my life and it still pummeled me. I am a big guy and I dropped like a rock in the T10. I would leave the plane after some of the little guys and beat them to the ground. I made one landing with out a helmet. The chin strap broke as I left the plane. That landing knocked me silly. I came too being dragged across the LZ with people trying to reach the shoulder strap quick release loops as I went buy. I finally remembered them myself and put an end to that ride from hell. For all you real airborne types, good bless you. You are some tough SOB’s. |
What is a dragon?
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That is my dream jump right there!!! A chopper jump off the tailgate of a CH-47. Man you lucky bastard How were ZEE GERMANZ? Oh yeah you said the line was at waist level a reverse bight correct?
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I knew that. They made you jump with that? I thought heavier weapons were tossed out in containers. Wow dude your still alive!! Your a tough dude!!!|
The German officers talked to each other that was about it. They wore their tight little brown/green uniforms, and funny little helmets. This was in 90-91. The Dragon was funny to watch. You could see and hear it coming from a kilometer away. Pop, pop, pop. The gunners always want to watch the rocket thru the scope and nose dive it into the ground. Expensive but funny. |
HOLY SHIT! Running the physics on that (assuming a 1000,2000,3000,4000 opening: (Displacement)=1/2 (32ft/s^2)(4s^2) (D)=8x32.. Displacement= 248 ft!! Cutting it rather close, huh? Yeah, I know the above doesn't allow for the braking effect of drag, but still.... |
The canopy was a My post was not entirely accurate IIRC the canopy had two layers or cells. It opened fearsome fast but the opening shock was acceptable. |
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If you watch T-10s or SET-10s open, they are actually less than 100' below the aircraft fully open. At 80 knots airspeed the parachute opens 'sideways' and military aircraft fly a lot faster on jumprun. Jumping at low combat altitudes really isnt that big a deal UNLESS you have a malfunction. In fact, some combat jumps were made without reserves because there was no time to use it. Better to carry more ammo. That said you are going to have hard time finding anyone using milsurp gear for sport skydiving training today. If there even is anyone doing it. The last DZ I knew that did changed to ram airs about 7 years ago. Your only hope is to beg a jump from one of the re-enactors or such but the one I know is only open to ex-airborne. It would be easier if you learned to sport jump first. I know where you're coming from though. My Dad was airborne and I would have been disappointed if I couldnt have jumped milsurp gear too. Forunately, it was very common when I learned in '82 and I have have quite a few round jumps. Mostly Para-Commanders but a dozen or so on T-10s and two on a T-10r. One freefall jump with a T-10 main. T-10 landings CAN be soft. I've seen plenty but most are pretty hard. It depends on a number of factors besides suspended weight and one is luck.  Good luck on your quest. |
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I'll +1 the feedback and sympathies on T-10's - you're All I got from a T-10 was sore and kinked-up leg muscles, and a fear to jump in my emergency chutes - unless there are big parts falling off, I'm flying the airplane to the ground. |
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Boy I remember my first C130 tailgate jump. The opening shock is 6 count I believe instead of the 4. I still did my four count and went to "Check Penelope" and the riser buckle ripped me a new one up the back of my neck. The medic that was on Sicily came running over and went haywire, I thought I was bleeding just a little bit. Nah, it was a whole lot! Ended up with 5 stitches on the left side of the back of my neck. Gallant Eagle '82 was pretty bad also. I got a concussion on Death Drop. Still have my dented helmet. 
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