Posted: 5/22/2011 7:10:46 PM EDT
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Looking to get the niece's some OC of some kind as one was mugged not long ago & now refuses to be a victim again & one lives in a college dorm. The wife is also thinking about pepper spray for her purse or key chain.
Firearms are not a option at this point and I'd like to get some OC that actually works unlike the S&W mace I carried years ago and used for mosquito repellent since it was all but worthless. What brand of OC should I look at, what size/style and any tips as to how they can best carry the OC. |
| I've been hit with Freeze +P and Sabre red 10%. Both hurt like hell. I would suggest getting either the stream or the conical mist(shoots it out in a cone shape). I know Freeze +P makes a keychain size. My wife carries one. Not sure about sabre red. We also now carry Vexor, but have never been sprayed by it. |
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Cold steel carries some and I can't see them selling spray that doesn't work. They come in sizes from pen spray to bear spray.
Check out the active ingredients compared to S&W. There are more ergonomic delivery systems I saw on the net in the past but lost my markers when computer crashed. |
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Been hit with both Fox and Sabre Red. I'd rather be tear-gassed and tased at the same time.
As others have said, stream would be preferrable, less chance of cross contamination. Although I've never used it, perhaps a foam application would be a good choice for an OC newbie. |
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i carry FOX pepper foam. Stopped a 300lbs 6'6" crack head in his tracks.(was before i had a tazer) would highly recommend a pepper foam. marks the BG, less drift,almost no area effect, less likley to affect her in addition to the BG. Good post. OP should not just consider brands, ingredients, and the like but also delivery method (stream, fog, cone, foam, etc.) |
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Whatever you get..they need to experience it because if they use it..they will be affected by it as well. Maybe not getting sprayed with it (although I recommend it) but even rubbing some in one eye. They have to know what to expect so they don't panic...because the scumbag they spray might know what to expect.. I've been o/c'd many times at work and it still burns like a motherfucker but I can work through it now. |
| Thanks for the feedback, have been looking at different places to purchase OC, might just have to call Fox as the web site is not set up for ordering & it sounds like you want a fresh can instead of something that's been sitting around for a year or longer on a shelf somewhere. |
| I sprayed a inmate in the face with pepperfoam once and he took both his hands and tried to wipe it off his face. In doing so he rubbed all the foam right into his eyes as he was trying to come at us. Needless to say he dropped to his knees and was done fighting. The lack of range is the only downside with foam. Which is why I carried sabre red stream also. Nice to have options |
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdkKNUUOMwU
well , i tried, can someone link it? |
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all of them hurt but wont stop a determined attacker Sure they will. Negative. If being shot, stabbed, beaten, run over, hit by cars, etc. won't stop a cranked up PCP using BG 100% of the time, some ouchy in his eyes won't always do the trick either. Doesn't have to be angel dust either; just someone angry, determined, drunk, etc enough. OC/CS spray is a good tool but to trust your live to it you'd have to be nuts. |
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Quoted: Negative. If being shot, stabbed, beaten, run over, hit by cars, etc. won't stop a cranked up PCP using BG 100% of the time, some ouchy in his eyes won't always do the trick either. Doesn't have to be angel dust either; just someone angry, determined, drunk, etc enough. OC/CS spray is a good tool but to trust your live to it you'd have to be nuts. This. I've seen inmates and fellow CO's get sprayed and although it irritated them..it certainly didn't take them out of the fight. |
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all of them hurt but wont stop a determined attacker Sure they will. Negative. If being shot, stabbed, beaten, run over, hit by cars, etc. won't stop a cranked up PCP using BG 100% of the time, some ouchy in his eyes won't always do the trick either. Doesn't have to be angel dust either; just someone angry, determined, drunk, etc enough. OC/CS spray is a good tool but to trust your live to it you'd have to be nuts. He said determined. He didn't say "Attacker on Angel Dust." Nor did he say "drunk" or "Determined enough". I've seen our stuff reduce some very angry, very bad men into gelatinous slag with a generous application. I've seen some walk through it too. It just all depends. To disregard a tool and be myopic is foolish, IMO. Will it do the job of a gun? No. That's what a gun is for. I trust my life to my wits, my hands, and OC/CS every day. |
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Quoted: I've seen our stuff (Def-Tec) enrage an already pissed off inmate..He said determined. He didn't say "Attacker on Angel Dust." Nor did he say "drunk" or "Determined enough". I've seen our stuff reduce some very angry, very bad men into gelatinous slag with a generous application. I've seen some walk through it too. It just all depends. To disregard a tool and be myopic is foolish, IMO. Will it do the job of a gun? No. That's what a gun is for. I trust my life to my wits, my hands, and OC/CS every day. Just be careful..spray and count to oh..100 before you go hands on!  |
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I've seen our stuff (Def-Tec) enrage an already pissed off inmate..
He said determined. He didn't say "Attacker on Angel Dust." Nor did he say "drunk" or "Determined enough". I've seen our stuff reduce some very angry, very bad men into gelatinous slag with a generous application. I've seen some walk through it too. It just all depends. To disregard a tool and be myopic is foolish, IMO. Will it do the job of a gun? No. That's what a gun is for. I trust my life to my wits, my hands, and OC/CS every day. Just be careful..spray and count to oh..100 before you go hands on!
Granted. I'm just saying, that saying chemical agents "won't" do X or X is wrong. "May not" is more accurate. I'm just a stickler for wording I guess. I've got a great deal of confidence in our chem agents, as I've seen them work more often than they don't work. They are a tool, and a good tool. They aren't infallible. Incidentally, I'd trust our 870s in the tower more than our ARs, even though the AR is a superior tool for the application, the barrells are burnt out, and they are set to factory zero. I don't have any faith that those rifles could put rounds on target outside 25 meters. At least I know the general characteristics of buckshot, and, those aren't likely to change much. |
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Quoted: holy crap. We have an SP1 at work complete with triangle hand guards and it still shoots point of aim / point of impact. When ours get questionable they swap a new upper on.Quoted: Firearms that aren't signed out to individual's have to be "field zeroed" so they will at least be "on paper" for most shooters. They must be ancient or you train a lot for the barrel's to be shot out. Ancient. We fire 20 rounds per year in inservice. |
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The difference in how we use OC and how the public will use OC is that we have to stick around where the general public can run away. If it can slow the attacker down enough for an escape, then it has done it's job.
Getting back on topic...what state is your niece in? I know in NY there are regulations on what type, what size and where they can buy OC. |