[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Pic Thread- Patrol Rifles (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/14/2011 10:12:40 AM EDT
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How did we let this die?
I'll start. 
Spike's Tactical M4 LE (Spike's Tactical) BFG Padded VCAS (Brownell's) Troy BUIS Aimpoint Comp M2 in LaRue LT-129 mount (LaRue Tactical) KAC M4 RAS (EE) Surefire Scout M600A in Gear Sector Offset Mount (EE & Gear Sector) Gemtech G5, SEI/Gemtech G5 Vortex Bi-Lock suppressor mount (Gemtech, barrel cut to 14.5" by Adco, and mount permanently affixed) 
Bushmaster complete lower (Bushmaster) Spike's Tactical 10.5" 1-7 barrel, Smith Vortex G5 mount (AIM Surplus, suppressor obtained from and mounted by Gemtech) Gemtech G5 LMT Fixed BUIS (Bravo Company) Aimpoint M2 in Wilcox Mount (Aimpoint- SKD Tactical, Mount- Brownells) KAC M4 RAS (EE) Surefire Scout with KX2C Head Upgrade in Gear Sector Offset Mount (EE & Gear Sector) Ergo Grip (Brownells) Gear Sector Single Point Sling (Brownells) |
This is actually a back-up to the ones I posted above. A Mk18-ish clone, this is as "correct" as it's going to get.
Palmetto State Armory complete lower (PSA) Bushmaster 10.3" 1-9 barrel, previously 14.5" and cut down by ADCO Spikes ST-T2 Buffer Gear Sector Single-Point Sling & Mount (Gear Sector) LMT Fixed BUIS (Bravo Company) Aimpoint M2 in Wilcox Mount (Aimpoint- SKD Tactical, Mount- Brownells) KAC M4 RAS with KAC VFG (EE) Surefire G2 Nitrolon with P60L Upgrade in Gear Sector Offset Mount (EE & Gear Sector) BCM Gunfighter medium latch charging handle (Brownells) Magpul B.A.D. (Brownells) The primary, in its current form: 
Bushmaster complete lower (Bushmaster) Spike's Tactical 10.5" 1-7 barrel, Smith Vortex G5 mount (Aim Surplus, mount/suppressor obtained from and mounted by Gemtech) Troy BUIS (Brownells) Aimpoint M2 in LaRue Mount (LaRue Tactical) KAC M4 RAS (EE) Surefire Scout with KX2C Head Upgrade, Gear Sector Offset Scout Mount (EE) Magpul B.A.D. Lever (Brownells) Ergo Grip (Brownells) Gear Sector Single Point Sling (Brownells) This will soon replace the 10.5" upper pictured above. I may see what else I can sell in order to get a Aimpoint T1, too. |
 Spike's Tactical lower Magpul MIAD grip with spare bolt and firing pin Magpul UBR Spike's ST-T2 buffer Wilson Combat TTU KNS Gen 2 Mod 2 Pins Magpul MS2 Sling Spike's Tactical upper Spike's Tactical 10.5" Barrel Spike's NiB BCG BCM Gunfighter CH Daniel Defense Lite 9.0 Lite rail Surefire XM951 light Troy VFG Troy DOA Tritium rear sight Troy HK Tritium front sight Aimpoint H1 in Larue mount Magpul XTM rail covers AAC Blackout Muzzle brake AAC M4-2000 |
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Wow, you guys make me feel pretty bad about my patrol rifle. Granted, its department issued, and I am the only officer at the department with an optic, and I had to beg and plead (and pay for the required hardware) to be able to do that. We are rumored to be getting AR type rifles later in the year, some sort of M&P 15 with a quad rail, whatever model that is. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be nice if it was true. Until then, this rides with me and I wish they would let me carry my LE6920 instead.
Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, Ultimak Rail, Aimpoint CompC SM, Buttstock magazine carrier with spare 20 round magazine, and sling of unknown origin: 
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Wow, you guys make me feel pretty bad about my patrol rifle. Granted, its department issued, and I am the only officer at the department with an optic, and I had to beg and plead (and pay for the required hardware) to be able to do that. We are rumored to be getting AR type rifles later in the year, some sort of M&P 15 with a quad rail, whatever model that is. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be nice if it was true. Until then, this rides with me and I wish they would let me carry my LE6920 instead. Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, Ultimak Rail, Aimpoint CompC SM, Buttstock magazine carrier with spare 20 round magazine, and sling of unknown origin: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/100_0186.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/100_0188.jpg I wouldn't feel undergunned with that setup, and you're blessed to have it. |
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Wow, you guys make me feel pretty bad about my patrol rifle. Granted, its department issued, and I am the only officer at the department with an optic, and I had to beg and plead (and pay for the required hardware) to be able to do that. We are rumored to be getting AR type rifles later in the year, some sort of M&P 15 with a quad rail, whatever model that is. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be nice if it was true. Until then, this rides with me and I wish they would let me carry my LE6920 instead. Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, Ultimak Rail, Aimpoint CompC SM, Buttstock magazine carrier with spare 20 round magazine, and sling of unknown origin: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/100_0186.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/100_0188.jpg I wouldn't feel undergunned with that setup, and you're blessed to have it. Its a whole lot better than nothing, which is what I had at my last department. I actually really like the Mini, as it reminds me of my favorite semi-automatic rifle of all time, the Garand. However, the Ranch Rifle, with its crappy folding iron sights, was not the best choice for a patrol rifle. Our current chief, who is a gun nut, tried to convince the chief that selected the Ranch Rifle that there were better options, but it was a no go. The current chief is the driving force behind the rumored purchase of AR type rifles. Hopefully that works out. |
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I see what you did there.  
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That sucks! Here is the evolution of my patrol rifle. Luckily I was put in a position to actually make changes with our department's policy. This was through (dare I say on ARFCOM) the FOP side of things. I don't have any pictures available of my first patrol rifle. My department some where along the line decided a 20" Colt HBAR would be ideal. I was glad to have a rifle, but a 20" HBAR is not an ideal patrol rifle. My old rifle is somewhere in my safe. My department did not allow optics, but after my first barricaded gunman at night after getting the rifle I knew I needed something I could see at night. It sucks when the individual pops out of the bushes 50 yards away with a gun in his hand and you can't see your front sight. Perhaps I'll dig to old rifle out and get a picture of it. It has a old Trijicon Reflex mounted on it. I figured if I ever got involved in a shooting, the gooseneck mount would be easy to take off. My (our) second rifle was / is a Colt 6520. It's a great little rifle. Once again, no optics. I bent the rules and moved my Trijicon on the 6520 and went about to change the regulations.  The Trijicon was ok, but I felt the need to change to an Aimpoint. I was still in the process of working on changing the regulations. Here are a couple of variations of my rifle in those days.    We were still only permitted to carry 20 round magazines too. You notice how the sling just dangles there? I learned my lesson with that after nearly dislocating my shoulder when my sling caught on a mic stand.. I've since learned to bungie my slings after that! This past year I was able to get the regulations changed. We can now carry flat tops with optics and lights. I'm pretty happy about that. I don't have a picture of my rifle during the one stage. It was still an A2, but I put a Knights forearm on the rifle so I could have a co witness with my irons. I carried my rifle in that configuration probably about the longest. I'll see if I have a picture around somewhere. Post regulation change, this is my rifle. It's all department "legal" too. It was a lot of work getting the regulations changed, but it was well worth it. Several weeks after the change one of our members was at an incident and he specifically said during the after action report that the rifle with the Aimpoint made all the difference. Good guys 1 bad guys 0. Just a quick picture before I go out back to the range to shoot.  This is the version of the rifle that I will carry into retirement - a few short months away. ETA: Had to smile about that last part about retirement. |
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Quoted: I don't have a pic handy but ours are plain 6920's with a Blackhawk sling. We don't have any fancy stuff like optics or lights. Why would you need a light on a rifle. I mean can't you hold your flashlight in one hand and the rifle in the other when it's dark?  I know guys at agencies that have dumb ass regs when it comes to modifying their patrol rifles. They have used duct tape to mount their flashlights. Not the best solution, but sometimes it's the best work around you can do. |
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To give Depidy_Dawg a hand here's his rifle: (I'd do anything to help someone from Wyoming) Here's his specs: It's a Sabre Defence XR15A3/M4 flatop tactical, bought new in 2007, with some "extras" I added: 14.5 inch NATO 1:7 with pinned flash hider SOCOM Ace Stock BCM Mod 4 charging handle ERGO grip XS sight systems GAT (Glass Assault Tool) LaRue F.U.G. EMDOM sling Gear Sector Picatinny rail mount Mount-N-Slot 2-1 adapter Trijicon Tri-Power LaRue M68 CCO mount Diamonhead rear sight Cross Tac Picatinny bayoner mount TLR-2 light/LASER combo LaRue rail covers Magpul PMAG with Hornady TAP and M855 Here's his picture:  |
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To give Depidy_Dawg a hand here's his rifle: (I'd do anything to help someone from Wyoming) Here's his specs: It's a Sabre Defence XR15A3/M4 flatop tactical, bought new in 2007, with some "extras" I added: 14.5 inch NATO 1:7 with pinned flash hider SOCOM Ace Stock BCM Mod 4 charging handle ERGO grip XS sight systems GAT (Glass Assault Tool) LaRue F.U.G. EMDOM sling Gear Sector Picatinny rail mount Mount-N-Slot 2-1 adapter Trijicon Tri-Power LaRue M68 CCO mount Diamonhead rear sight Cross Tac Picatinny bayoner mount TLR-2 light/LASER combo LaRue rail covers Magpul PMAG with Hornady TAP and M855
Here's his picture: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/schenninge/GUN%20STUFF/rifle20025.jpg Thanks Henny! And no toes, woot! |
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She's a beaut! |
I've changed my rifle up since the last time I posted it. I decided to go to a lighter and more affordable setup.
Stock = Standard M4 Sling Mount = Magpul ASAP Sling = Magpul MS2 Sling in Coyote Tan Pistol Grip = Stark SE-1 Pistol Grip Charging Handle = Bravo Company USA BCM Gunfighter Charging Handle Mod-3 Device for Charging Handle = Magpul BAD (Battery Assist Device) Trigger = Geissele SSA Trigger Rear Sight = Daniel Defense Fixed A1.5 Front Sight = Daniel Defense Fixed Handguards = Viking Tactics TRX Extreme 13" Forward Sling Mount = Magpul RSA Light = Streamlight TLR-1 Compensator = Battle Comp 1.0 Upper Receiver = Bravocompany 16" Mid-length Upper (bravocompanyusa.com) Lower Receiver = Spike's Tactical Lower (spikestactical.com) |
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my issued rifle is a former USGI colt m16 3prong flashhider and triagular forgrip. it would make the retro guys cry, we got it NEW in the factory wrap from the .gov this year. My better half received the same...still had the "pipe cleaner" in the barrel and everything. |
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my issued rifle is a former USGI colt m16 3prong flashhider and triagular forgrip. it would make the retro guys cry, we got it NEW in the factory wrap from the .gov this year. My better half received the same...still had the "pipe cleaner" in the barrel and everything. i carry mine on duty becuase i can't bring myself to destroy this in the back of the car 
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LMT Defender 2000 14.5" LMT two-stage trigger Magpul CTR VTAC Sling Troy BUIS Aimproint PRO w/ Larue Mount Surefire G2 LED with Larue Mount YHM QD Flash Hider pinned by ADCO. Larue FUG Larue 9.0 Rail LMT Ambi safety I just qualified with it last week. I have about 1000 round through it and it has run like a dream. |
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Wow, you guys make me feel pretty bad about my patrol rifle. Granted, its department issued, and I am the only officer at the department with an optic, and I had to beg and plead (and pay for the required hardware) to be able to do that. We are rumored to be getting AR type rifles later in the year, some sort of M&P 15 with a quad rail, whatever model that is. I'm not holding my breath, but it would be nice if it was true. Until then, this rides with me and I wish they would let me carry my LE6920 instead. Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, Ultimak Rail, Aimpoint CompC SM, Buttstock magazine carrier with spare 20 round magazine, and sling of unknown origin: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/100_0186.jpg http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/Landric/100_0188.jpg I wouldn't feel undergunned with that setup, and you're blessed to have it. Yup.. |
With the customary "gear porn shot" Actually, thats about what it looks like after warrant night packing away the toys, sorting it out on my POV tailgate. The rifle is a DPMS lower, DTI 14.5 barrel for a true 16". Flip down sights front and rear. AimPoint ML3, and a bunch of Magpul. For most duty, I run the 20 round mag while everything else is 30 |
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We own four shotguns locked up in the other building.
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Doesn't a pistol caliber rifle kind of defeat the purpose? |
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Doesn't a pistol caliber rifle kind of defeat the purpose? Not really. Although the 556 rd is balistically superior to any handgun round. Being able to have 3-4 point of contact (if you include the cheek weld) compared to 2 makes for a much more accurate/faster weapon (I.e. sub guns). Some depts "learned" admin do not and refuse to understand the difference between pistol and rifle rounds. |
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We aren't allowed a patrol "rifle". Since becoming my dept's firearms instructor/armorer this year I was able to convince the Chief to purchase and put 870's in the car. I was then able to convince him to allow me to have the .40 carbine because it takes our duty ammo & mags. Baby steps my man, once he gets used to this setup I may be able to convince him to get proper patrol rifles down the road.
As jgeiken said, if I'm gonna be stuck with a pistol caliber I'd rather have it in a rifle configuration to get the added accuracy, a bit more velocity, and it's a step in the right direction. Since I took over as our firearms guy earlier this year I was able to implement the shotguns, changed our duty ammo, upgraded our holsters from the widowmakers, and snuck in the personally owned pistol caliber carbine. Not a bad step in the right direction I think, I'm trying but it's an uphill battle. |
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We aren't allowed a patrol "rifle". Since becoming my dept's firearms instructor/armorer this year I was able to convince the Chief to purchase and put 870's in the car. I was then able to convince him to allow me to have the .40 carbine because it takes our duty ammo & mags. Baby steps my man, once he gets used to this setup I may be able to convince him to get proper patrol rifles down the road. As jgeiken said, if I'm gonna be stuck with a pistol caliber I'd rather have it in a rifle configuration to get the added accuracy, a bit more velocity, and it's a step in the right direction. Since I took over as our firearms guy earlier this year I was able to implement the shotguns, changed our duty ammo, upgraded our holsters from the widowmakers, and snuck in the personally owned pistol caliber carbine. Not a bad step in the right direction I think, I'm trying but it's an uphill battle. I cant wrap my head around a "chief" not allowing long guns for his officers, Hell.....I've got 2 AR's, 1 Mossberg 590A1, 1 Remington 870(less lethal) and three pistols in my squad at this very second. ETA- God bless you for trying to make things better for your officers. |
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We aren't allowed a patrol "rifle". Since becoming my dept's firearms instructor/armorer this year I was able to convince the Chief to purchase and put 870's in the car. I was then able to convince him to allow me to have the .40 carbine because it takes our duty ammo & mags. Baby steps my man, once he gets used to this setup I may be able to convince him to get proper patrol rifles down the road. As jgeiken said, if I'm gonna be stuck with a pistol caliber I'd rather have it in a rifle configuration to get the added accuracy, a bit more velocity, and it's a step in the right direction. Since I took over as our firearms guy earlier this year I was able to implement the shotguns, changed our duty ammo, upgraded our holsters from the widowmakers, and snuck in the personally owned pistol caliber carbine. Not a bad step in the right direction I think, I'm trying but it's an uphill battle. Damn that's rough, you didn't even have shotguns??? I can't believe that, at least you're making it better one step at a time! Is you're chief stuck in the 1800s? |
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We aren't allowed a patrol "rifle". Since becoming my dept's firearms instructor/armorer this year I was able to convince the Chief to purchase and put 870's in the car. I was then able to convince him to allow me to have the .40 carbine because it takes our duty ammo & mags. Baby steps my man, once he gets used to this setup I may be able to convince him to get proper patrol rifles down the road. As jgeiken said, if I'm gonna be stuck with a pistol caliber I'd rather have it in a rifle configuration to get the added accuracy, a bit more velocity, and it's a step in the right direction. Since I took over as our firearms guy earlier this year I was able to implement the shotguns, changed our duty ammo, upgraded our holsters from the widowmakers, and snuck in the personally owned pistol caliber carbine. Not a bad step in the right direction I think, I'm trying but it's an uphill battle. Damn that's rough, you didn't even have shotguns??? I can't believe that, at least you're making it better one step at a time! Is you're chief stuck in the 1800s? 1800's HELL.............Back then long guns ruled the world. Sounds like he's stuck in Liberalville. |