[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Pittsburgh tragedy (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/4/2009 3:09:39 PM EDT
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I was interested in weapon facts;did anyone ever figure out the NC incident?597 or other? Can't say. This article covers that he was dishonorably discharged by the Marine Corps. While it doesn't say why they say his motivation was to return home to be with his GF. It also appears, from the way the article is written, that he joined the Marine Corps after screwing up and being kicked out of a very good Catholic High School (private school). After he got thrown out of the Marines he threatened his girlfriend's life and pulled her hair. She filed a PFA against him according to the second video down in the left column titled Suspects friends react to deadly shooting So we know that around 2005 he was now a prohibited person who could not legally possess firearms for being dishonorably discharged and potentially for how the PFA worked out. Then he moves to Florida and that doesn't work out so he goes back to Pittsburgh to live with mom. No info on dad at all. I'm interested if he bought his firearms in Florida while living there. The glass factory he worked at is kind of a mystery to me. In Pittsburgh you have the former Glenshaw Glass (now Kelman Glass), PPG/PGW in Creighton which did lay off workers as they make auto windshields, and a few others that are a hike from Pittsburgh but doable if you wanted to work. Anyway this guy has born to lose tattooed all over him. He seems to be focusing on so many other issues as a cause for his faults other than himself. Lastly, it appears his vast support for gun rights comes from the fact that he is a prohibited person and doesn't want to accept that he screwed up and should not have had firearms. ETA: From this Youtube video it all sounds like semi-auto fire. My guess is that his "AK" is a WASR-10 or similar inexpensive low end AK. |
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And his buds are likely 88's - someone in one of the two now-locked threads searched up an AIM handle and came up with the usual Stormfront nonsense. And the usual 'Zionist conspiracy' crap on the Myspace pages. Guy got booted from high school, kicked out of the Marines (hit a DI in training) and then the girflfriend abuse and assaulting his mom. Nothing really good to say about this oxygen thief.
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And his buds are likely 88's - someone in one of the two now-locked threads searched up an AIM handle and came up with the usual Stormfront nonsense. And the usual 'Zionist conspiracy' crap on the Myspace pages. Guy got booted from high school, kicked out of the Marines (hit a DI in training) and then the girflfriend abuse and assaulting his mom. Nothing really good to say about this oxygen thief. I'm surprised he got tagged with a DD for just hitting a DI. Usually they just beat the ever loving shit out of you, send you to the Battalion Medical Center, then either recycle you to another platoon, with a NJP, or send you home with a less than honorable discharge.. |
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And his buds are likely 88's - someone in one of the two now-locked threads searched up an AIM handle and came up with the usual Stormfront nonsense. And the usual 'Zionist conspiracy' crap on the Myspace pages. Guy got booted from high school, kicked out of the Marines (hit a DI in training) and then the girflfriend abuse and assaulting his mom. Nothing really good to say about this oxygen thief. I'm surprised he got tagged with a DD for just hitting a DI. Usually they just beat the ever loving shit out of you, send you to the Battalion Medical Center, then either recycle you to another platoon, with a NJP, or send you home with a less than honorable discharge.. I think there is some other term, separation or something like that for someone that screws up early in training and just needs to go. ETA: Googled it and came up with Entry Level Separation. |
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And his buds are likely 88's - someone in one of the two now-locked threads searched up an AIM handle and came up with the usual Stormfront nonsense. And the usual 'Zionist conspiracy' crap on the Myspace pages. Guy got booted from high school, kicked out of the Marines (hit a DI in training) and then the girflfriend abuse and assaulting his mom. Nothing really good to say about this oxygen thief. I'm surprised he got tagged with a DD for just hitting a DI. Usually they just beat the ever loving shit out of you, send you to the Battalion Medical Center, then either recycle you to another platoon, with a NJP, or send you home with a less than honorable discharge.. I think there is some other term, separation or something like that for someone that screws up early in training and just needs to go. ETA: Googled it and came up with Entry Level Separation. I know a fella that did that (Navy, and not this shooter) for a girl. He found out that she had moved on while he was away and he pretty much turned into a drug addict. Stupid move on his part. |
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And his buds are likely 88's - someone in one of the two now-locked threads searched up an AIM handle and came up with the usual Stormfront nonsense. And the usual 'Zionist conspiracy' crap on the Myspace pages. Guy got booted from high school, kicked out of the Marines (hit a DI in training) and then the girflfriend abuse and assaulting his mom. Nothing really good to say about this oxygen thief. I'm surprised he got tagged with a DD for just hitting a DI. Usually they just beat the ever loving shit out of you, send you to the Battalion Medical Center, then either recycle you to another platoon, with a NJP, or send you home with a less than honorable discharge.. I think there is some other term, separation or something like that for someone that screws up early in training and just needs to go. It's an administrative discharge, or entry level separation. But that carries with it absolutely no negative, or positive, stigmas. It simply states that you were in the military, did not make it 6 months in, and then separated from the military, for whatever appropriate reason. Even for drugs you only get a bad-conduct discharge, IIRC. To get a DD in recruit training, you either got to desert, or fuck up in some incredible fashion.. |
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And his buds are likely 88's - someone in one of the two now-locked threads searched up an AIM handle and came up with the usual Stormfront nonsense. And the usual 'Zionist conspiracy' crap on the Myspace pages. Guy got booted from high school, kicked out of the Marines (hit a DI in training) and then the girflfriend abuse and assaulting his mom. Nothing really good to say about this oxygen thief. I'm surprised he got tagged with a DD for just hitting a DI. Usually they just beat the ever loving shit out of you, send you to the Battalion Medical Center, then either recycle you to another platoon, with a NJP, or send you home with a less than honorable discharge.. I think there is some other term, separation or something like that for someone that screws up early in training and just needs to go. It's an administrative discharge, or entry level separation. But that carries with it absolutely no negative, or positive, stigmas. It simply states that you were in the military, did not make it 6 months in, and then separated from the military, for whatever appropriate reason. Even for drugs you only get a bad-conduct discharge, IIRC. To get a DD in recruit training, you either got to desert, or fuck up in some incredible fashion.. Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. |
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My prayers to the families. How anyone can be so screwed up in the head to do something like this just escapes me. Honestly, I just don't know what's wrong with people anymore. Want to off yourself? Fine, but leave the rest of us out of your death wish. This. People like this are screwing it up for the rest of responsible gun owners nation wide. Whats even more scary are the people here protecting him in other threads. Its unreal. |
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Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. Suspect that the PFA in 2005 (if factual) should have DQ'ed him from possession or purchase anywhere. I'd bet once they sort through everything he was probably prohibited on several accounts - whether that will be published by the media is quite another question. He was going back and forth between PA & FL, so there might be interstate transport charges to boot. |
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Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. A dishonorable discharge is a felony. |
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Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. A dishonorable discharge is a felony. Agreed. What I am getting at is was that reported to the appropriate authorities to prevent this retard (sorry, he is way less intelligent) from purchasing firearms at a gun store? Same with the PFA which happened in 2005 and there is not info out there on how that turned out or if charges were filed and or a conviction. Basically did all the super duper gun laws simply fail? |
TD ATF-391;left cold on purpose.Since they are lying about Mexico,maybe certain Lee Harvey's,Manchurians are allowed depending upon who is in charge and what the agenda is?Just because it sounds conspiritorial does not mean it's not-"the vast left wing conspiracy."
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other people. |
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Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. A dishonorable discharge is a felony. Agreed. What I am getting at is was that reported to the appropriate authorities to prevent this retard (sorry, he is way less intelligent) from purchasing firearms at a gun store? Same with the PFA which happened in 2005 and there is not info out there on how that turned out or if charges were filed and or a conviction. Basically did all the super duper gun laws simply fail? The moment he was issued the DD, the Feds would have been notified. He was incapable, legally, of purchasing a firearm the moment he left Parris Island. Course, he could have easily gotten that AK at a gun-show, or in a private sale. |
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other people. 
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other people. Only in your mind.Everyone else gets it Francis.BTW your post is a personal attack against COC.Feeble attempt to get the thread locked or attention getter as the POS perp was? |
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other cops. Fixed. |
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other cops. Fixed. Ban em mods or we will not be able to discuss anything without these 88's horning in. |
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other cops. Fixed. Ban em mods or we will not be able to discuss anything without these 88's horning in. So I'm an "88" for correcting your usage of the word "tragedy"? I'll let it go under the bridge, because it looks as if you were not here for the 9/11 Tragedy Atrocity. |
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other cops. Fixed. 
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other cops. Fixed. Ban em mods or we will not be able to discuss anything without these 88's horning in. So I'm an "88" for correcting your usage of the word "tragedy"? I'll let it go under the bridge, because it looks as if you were not here for the 9/11 Tragedy Atrocity. You are not the arbiter of definitions.You are trolling and should be banned. |
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I hope the family's of the officers are granted peace and serenity in this time of mourning. BUt yeah, the dude doing the shooting was a major oxygen waste. in one of the previous threads the article mentioned that he was a McCain voter and shit like that. It seemed like they were to trying to make an aweful big typecast on that demographic. what the fuck was that about? |
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I hope the family's of the officers are granted peace and serenity in this time of mourning. BUt yeah, the dude doing the shooting was a major oxygen waste. in one of the previous threads the article mentioned that he was a McCain voter and shit like that. It seemed like they were to trying to make an aweful big typecast on that demographic. what the fuck was that about? His friends were saying this about him and the media was just reporting it verbatim. |
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The mentally disturbed profile is fitting all of the recent shooters. I wonder how many could not legally posses I believe I heard on Fox News that the NY shooter had a weapons permit. This kid, if everything that has been said is true, should not have possessed any firearms because he was dishonorably discharged. That means that somewhere, somehow, the gun laws on the books failed. |
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The mentally disturbed profile is fitting all of the recent shooters. I wonder how many could not legally posses I believe I heard on Fox News that the NY shooter had a weapons permit. This kid, if everything that has been said is true, should not have possessed any firearms because he was dishonorably discharged. That means that somewhere, somehow, the gun laws on the books failed. Might have been the early separation, but the PFA should have DQ'ed him even before that. btw, the Pittsburgh Police just did a last roll call on the (police) radio about 10 minutes ago. It's not the sort of thing you will ever hear on the news. Three badge numbers were reported as 'out of service', the three officers who lost their lives today. Very solemn and very moving. |
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Quoted: Whaaaat? Seriously? I had no idea. Does that mean you can't vote, etc? Honestly, I thought a DD was a completely different thing. Sure I've seen it on applications, 4473s, and all, but I didn't know it made you a convicted felon. Quoted: Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. A dishonorable discharge is a felony.  |
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Anyway this guy has born to lose tattooed all over him. He seems to be focusing on so many other issues as a cause for his faults other than himself. Lastly, it appears his vast support for gun rights comes from the fact that he is a prohibited person and doesn't want to accept that he screwed up and should not have had firearms. ETA: From this Youtube video it all sounds like semi-auto fire. My guess is that his "AK" is a WASR-10 or similar inexpensive low end AK. This. As a Marine....I take offense to the actions of idiots such as this who tarnish our good name. Quoted:
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Whaaaat? Seriously? I had no idea. Does that mean you can't vote, etc? Honestly, I thought a DD was a completely different thing. Sure I've seen it on applications, 4473s, and all, but I didn't know it made you a convicted felon. Quoted:
Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. A dishonorable discharge is a felony.
Has been that way for a long time. Now I am typically not impressed with ANYTHING on MSNBC news but was actually impressed with the sensibility of an article I read today. Article Story Exert Why are we killing each other? Even in a media-saturated nation that encourages short memories, these numbers are conversation-stopping: Forty-seven people dead in the past month in American mass shootings and their aftermaths. It's to the point where on Saturday, dizzyingly, the mayor of Binghamton found himself offering Pittsburgh its sympathies. Put aside for a moment the debate over guns. This isn't about policy. It's about asking the urgent question: What is happening in the American psyche that prevents people from defusing their own anguish and rage before they end the lives of others? Why are we killing each other? This is not an era of good feeling in the United States. We have under our belt eight years of pernicious terrorism angst, six years of Iraq war weariness and, now, months of wondering how bad the American economy's going to get and when — or, worse, whether — it's going to come back. People are tense. There's less inclination to help out your fellow human being. Meanwhile, anchors and analysts and witnesses and bloggers cast about in an information-age fog trying to make sense of something that is, in the worst way, nonsensical. They rush to offer solutions, but the thing they typically dodge is that we seem to be powerless to stop it all — that our community, our neighbors, may be next. That's too terrifying to contemplate, not to mention too open-ended for American news consumers reared on tidy Hollywood endings. While I don't want to over simplify.....I find these peoples actions for the most part complete and utter acts of cowardice. |
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I was interested in weapon facts;did anyone ever figure out the NC incident?597 or other? Can't say. This article covers that he was dishonorably discharged by the Marine Corps. While it doesn't say why they say his motivation was to return home to be with his GF. It also appears, from the way the article is written, that he joined the Marine Corps after screwing up and being kicked out of a very good Catholic High School (private school). After he got thrown out of the Marines he threatened his girlfriend's life and pulled her hair. She filed a PFA against him according to the second video down in the left column titled Suspects friends react to deadly shooting So we know that around 2005 he was now a prohibited person who could not legally possess firearms for being dishonorably discharged and potentially for how the PFA worked out. Then he moves to Florida and that doesn't work out so he goes back to Pittsburgh to live with mom. No info on dad at all. I'm interested if he bought his firearms in Florida while living there. The glass factory he worked at is kind of a mystery to me. In Pittsburgh you have the former Glenshaw Glass (now Kelman Glass), PPG/PGW in Creighton which did lay off workers as they make auto windshields, and a few others that are a hike from Pittsburgh but doable if you wanted to work. Anyway this guy has born to lose tattooed all over him. He seems to be focusing on so many other issues as a cause for his faults other than himself. Lastly, it appears his vast support for gun rights comes from the fact that he is a prohibited person and doesn't want to accept that he screwed up and should not have had firearms. ETA: From this Youtube video it all sounds like semi-auto fire. My guess is that his "AK" is a WASR-10 or similar inexpensive low end AK. For your consideration ––- could be 'window factory' instead of glass factory? Didn't a couple of those close or have big layoffs in the last few months just up River from him. And I read the DD as the result of a mess hall attack on a DI in this mornings paper. 
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Are any threads left open to discuss the incident?I propose discussing it here with the stipulation that any LEO disrespect gets an immediate ban to the offending poster. You ALREADY "disrespected" the LEOs by calling it a "tragedy". Tragedies are acts which are unintended and unavoidable. The word "tragedy" is used by people who are highly ignorant when talking about an atrocity. The word you need to learn is ATROCITY. Please remember that. Atrocities are when people do bad things to other people. From dictionary.com: A disastrous event, especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life: an expedition that ended in tragedy, with all hands lost at sea. So get off your high horse. |
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Since I am ignorant to how this works, if you are dishonorably discharged how does this get reported to NICS? Pennsylvania has PICS run by the PA State Police so I would guess they would have to know. Additionally he moved to Florida which either has their own system or uses NICS. He could have bought the guns FTF as well although in PA you cannot legally transfer pistols without going through PICS. A dishonorable discharge is a felony. Agreed. What I am getting at is was that reported to the appropriate authorities to prevent this retard (sorry, he is way less intelligent) from purchasing firearms at a gun store? Same with the PFA which happened in 2005 and there is not info out there on how that turned out or if charges were filed and or a conviction. Basically did all the super duper gun laws simply fail? The moment he was issued the DD, the Feds would have been notified. He was incapable, legally, of purchasing a firearm the moment he left Parris Island. Course, he could have easily gotten that AK at a gun-show, or in a private sale. Haven't been to many gun shows lately, have you? |
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I'd be willing to bet the term 'Dishonorable Discharge' is being bandied without verification. I'd bet it was downgraded to a General and he was seperated on an early out. He probably told his buddies it was Dishonorable for 'bragging' rights to show he is a tough guy. But I've read reports that he was a "prohibited person" which would match the Dishonorable Discharge claim. |
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The mentally disturbed profile is fitting all of the recent shooters. I wonder how many could not legally posses I believe I heard on Fox News that the NY shooter had a weapons permit. This kid, if everything that has been said is true, should not have possessed any firearms because he was dishonorably discharged. That means that somewhere, somehow, the gun laws on the books failed. Well worth repeating and discussing . Most of the rest of this thread is just noise . If the shooters in most of these cases were already prohibited from owning firearms ,then we need to be able to prove it and point that out to the media . Repeatedly . |