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12/17/2017 7:53:11 PM EDT
[#1]
Thanks wildearp.

My latest project is to create some "improved" Buck 105s.  These will be w2 with elk antler,  4v with ironwood, and Elmax with carbon fiber.

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Hamon peeking out of the w2 blade before etching.
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12/17/2017 10:03:01 PM EDT
[#2]
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:

Hamon peeking out of the w2 blade before etching.
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Very nice.  I assume you had clay/refractory on there?  The patter sure looks like it.
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12/17/2017 10:10:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Thanks wildearp.

My latest project is to create some "improved" Buck 105s.  These will be w2 with elk antler,  4v with ironwood, and Elmax with carbon fiber.

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Hamon peeking out of the w2 blade before etching.
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I love my 105, and a version with upgraded steel sounds amazing!
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12/18/2017 12:03:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:

Very nice.  I assume you had clay/refractory on there?  The patter sure looks like it.
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Yes. I use Satanite for my hamon, I get the best results by applying it with an artist paintbrush.  When I'm drawing on ashi I taper the thickness of the clay with the width of the feature.  Here it is etched and polished.

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12/18/2017 12:06:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AeroEngineer:

I love my 105, and a version with upgraded steel sounds amazing!
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It's a great design. Mine are a touch longer and taller and the ricasso geometry is changed to suit my taste but otherwise unchanged.  I'll post comparison pics when I'm closer to finished
12/18/2017 12:07:19 AM EDT
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It's got distinct lines and amazing "texture"  in the hamon.

Although your previous  criticism of my beverage choices is now under question
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12/18/2017 12:19:08 AM EDT
[#7]
At least it's beer, not a beer-like substitute.
12/18/2017 9:49:16 AM EDT
[#8]
Wow, me likey!

How thick do you apply the satanite?
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12/18/2017 10:26:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:

Wow, me likey!

How thick do you apply the satanite?
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It varies from probably .015" to .093" depending on the blade thickness, the portion of the hamon, and the feature I'm trying to create.  For example here, the wispy clouds at the tips of the ashi were about .015 thick (red), the main portions up to .030 (blue) getting thicker as they move towards the spine, and the orange filled about .060" thick.

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Nominal constant thickness will reduce wispy activity and shrink the transition line.  Too thick will reduce it as well.  Too thin will often result in no hamon because it quenches too fast.  So when I'm trying to get activity like this I interrupt my quench.  W2 in Parks 50 is going to be hard after a 1 count on the quench, most of the residual heat is going to be in the spine and clay, so I do a 1 count in, 1 count out, 1 count in, 1 count out on a knife this size.  The first pull out will flame up meaning the spine and clay is likely still over 700F, the second one will not and after that I'm quenching to room temp.  Interrupting slows the transformation, keeping the interval short prevents heat from soaking back into the edge and auto-tempering it.
12/18/2017 10:53:38 AM EDT
[#10]
Great explanation, thanks!
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12/18/2017 12:09:03 PM EDT
[#11]
Probably a stupid question but why is the clay applied in a wavy fashion instead of a nice straight line?
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12/18/2017 12:29:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Probably a stupid question but why is the clay applied in a wavy fashion instead of a nice straight line?
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Solely for the aesthetic.  I'd also say any clay wrapped differential hardening techniques used on modern steel are done solely for the aesthetic and not to increase performance, as pearlite is not as strong as martensite.  But that would be a longer discussion about the difference between differential hardening and differential tempering and the reasons behind them.

But for sure, in my case, it's only done for the visual effect.
12/18/2017 12:43:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Ah, thanks!
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12/20/2017 10:03:16 AM EDT
[#14]
Kuraki,
Your work is stunning!

Thank you for posting your work and the behind the scene's stuff to interested but otherwise ignorant folks like me.
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12/20/2017 1:14:02 PM EDT
[#15]
Thanks MaxxII!
12/20/2017 8:09:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ludder093][Edited] [#16]
Who's imgur account is this? Looks like yours, @Kuraki
https://imgur.com/user/steelpigforge/submitted
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12/20/2017 11:34:16 PM EDT
[#17]
Not mine.
1/7/2018 12:21:57 PM EDT
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It's been so damn cold I haven't been working on much finish work, instead I'm forging because I can wear gloves and stand in front of the forge.

I've turned one of these billets into 3 twists, and will hopefully turn them into a multi bar Turkish twist.   The other has been drawn further and I forged a raindrop pattern into it last night. Going to surface grind it today and rough grind a blade then we'll see how the pattern turned out.
1/7/2018 8:46:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
It's been so damn cold I haven't been working on much finish work, instead I'm forging because I can wear gloves and stand in front of the forge.
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I haven't even run the forge as I figure the heats will be so short it'll be silly.  Had a couple hours today, but decided to clean up the shop and garage instead.  Move the dock.  Add some water to the pool (hoses were all frozen).  Put away Christmas.

January...meh.
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1/7/2018 10:14:57 PM EDT
[#20]
I was getting 2 twists per heat  It was silly.

Also much slower to move in my press until the dies heated up.
1/7/2018 11:29:31 PM EDT
[#21]
I did get a chance last night during to play with the cool little wood-carving set the wife got me for Christmas.

Wood Spirit out of a spare pine-box derby slab.

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1/8/2018 12:37:01 AM EDT
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1/8/2018 6:50:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125898/IMG_20180101_150612_337-413502.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125898/20180101_134253-413506.JPGhttps://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125898/20180101_150257-413507.JPGIt's been so damn cold I haven't been working on much finish work, instead I'm forging because I can wear gloves and stand in front of the forge.

I've turned one of these billets into 3 twists, and will hopefully turn them into a multi bar Turkish twist.   The other has been drawn further and I forged a raindrop pattern into it last night. Going to surface grind it today and rough grind a blade then we'll see how the pattern turned out.
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What metals are you planning on putting in this one?
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1/8/2018 8:17:05 PM EDT
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1/8/2018 8:30:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
These are all 15N20 and 1075.  I'm kinda bummed about the edges of the pattern.  Either I forged this stuff too hot, or I used too coarse of grit when I cleaned up the layers prior to welding.  Was hoping for tighter transitions between layers.

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It has a very striking pattern. I like it. It reminds me of some of the high contrast  timascus/mokuti patterns.
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1/9/2018 7:47:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
These are all 15N20 and 1075.  I'm kinda bummed about the edges of the pattern.  Either I forged this stuff too hot, or I used too coarse of grit when I cleaned up the layers prior to welding.  Was hoping for tighter transitions between layers.

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I'm  seeing some erotica in there. Tilt your head left....when you see it.
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1/10/2018 12:13:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:

I'm  seeing some erotica in there. Tilt your head left....when you see it.
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Rorschach, dude, Rorschach.
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1/10/2018 12:16:15 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat:
Rorschach, dude, Rorschach.
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:

I'm  seeing some erotica in there. Tilt your head left....when you see it.
Rorschach, dude, Rorschach.


I have a 5 week old baby, you do the math.
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1/10/2018 12:53:25 PM EDT
[#29]
Damn! amazing work and a great workshop!
I'd love to make runners for my iceboat there!
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1/10/2018 1:21:37 PM EDT
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I have a 5 week old baby, you do the math.
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Yeah I'm still not seeing it either
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1/10/2018 1:28:45 PM EDT
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Yeah I'm still not seeing it either
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It's the Kama Sutra knife!

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1/10/2018 1:35:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:

It's the Kama Sutra knife!

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I see a narwhal
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1/10/2018 6:26:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Dorks.  

But...

Now I'm thinking of pattern welding this into a blade

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1/10/2018 11:46:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Did some more forging tonight. Wrought iron and w2 san mai. Really really happy with how this turned out.  Had to forge it very close and got everything centered and straight.  Pretty challenging for me so I'm proud of this.

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1/11/2018 12:13:52 AM EDT
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I'm  seeing some erotica in there. Tilt your head left....when you see it.
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Somebody needs some shore leave....
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1/11/2018 12:16:23 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Did some more forging tonight. Wrought iron and w2 san mai. Really really happy with how this turned out.  Had to forge it very close and got everything centered and straight.  Pretty challenging for me so I'm proud of this.

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What do you mean by forge it very close?

Also, you made me google search Turkish twist....beautiful pattern, but I dont understand how it differs from "standard" twist damascus? I see the pattern on Turkish Twist Damascus is different, but how is the process different?
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1/11/2018 12:16:37 AM EDT
[#37]
Have you ever tried to make a knife or sword out of wire rope/logging cable?

I read a story of a guy that made them that way, he claimed to have made a sword that had a million folds in it due to using cable.

I would imagine that it would be possible depending on how many strands it has and how many times you folded it.

He said that the sword was tested on copper pipe and that it cut through with ease.
1/11/2018 1:10:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MaxxII:

What do you mean by forge it very close?

Also, you made me google search Turkish twist....beautiful pattern, but I dont understand how it differs from "standard" twist damascus? I see the pattern on Turkish Twist Damascus is different, but how is the process different?
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By forging close I mean forging very close to finished dimensions.  I forged the bevels until the edge was about 1/16 thick, because of the relatively low thickness of the iron cladding I had to really spread it out to keep it from all being ground away.

The Turkish twist is different from a regular twist in that it's a composite of multiple regular twists.   Say you make three bars,  twist two clockwise and one counter clockwise, then stack them on top of each other and forge weld them again.  That's how you get alternating angles in the final pattern.
1/11/2018 1:14:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 50_Shooter:
Have you ever tried to make a knife or sword out of wire rope/logging cable?

I read a story of a guy that made them that way, he claimed to have made a sword that had a million folds in it due to using cable.

I would imagine that it would be possible depending on how many strands it has and how many times you folded it.

He said that the sword was tested on copper pipe and that it cut through with ease.
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I have some cable and have a plan for it but haven't gotten to it yet. A million sounds like a lot but it's like compounding interest, when you start with a thousand strands it doesn't take long to hit a million doubling every time.

The down side is after around 300 layers it will begin looking like homogeneous steel.
1/11/2018 1:41:01 AM EDT
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Kuraki, would an old spring from a wheel disk make good steel for a knife?  I have the spring that had a pig tail on top to hold the hydraulic line running to the tractor.  It's about 8" long and ~2.5" thick and the spirals are probably 1/2".  Good steel, being a spring?  Enough to make a knife?  It's from my farm so instead of tossing it into the scrap bin I'd consider having a knife made.  My wife wants to go on a dog hunt for hogs and wants a 12" pig sticker.
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1/11/2018 2:10:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kuraki:
Did some more forging tonight. Wrought iron and w2 san mai. Really really happy with how this turned out.  Had to forge it very close and got everything centered and straight.  Pretty challenging for me so I'm proud of this.

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Looks like you cut a section out of a meteorite and made it into a knife. The wrought iron to W2 transition is pretty crazy
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1/11/2018 9:03:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:
Kuraki, would an old spring from a wheel disk make good steel for a knife?  I have the spring that had a pig tail on top to hold the hydraulic line running to the tractor.  It's about 8" long and ~2.5" thick and the spirals are probably 1/2".  Good steel, being a spring?  Enough to make a knife?  It's from my farm so instead of tossing it into the scrap bin I'd consider having a knife made.  My wife wants to go on a dog hunt for hogs and wants a 12" pig sticker.
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Sentimental things like that are the only times ill really consider using reclaimed steel for blades, so if you want to send it to me I could cut off s bit to heat treat and see.
1/11/2018 12:20:26 PM EDT
[#43]
Any updates on the improved Buck 105 blades?
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1/11/2018 1:00:10 PM EDT
[#44]
Where did you get the wrought?
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1/11/2018 2:00:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AeroEngineer:
Any updates on the improved Buck 105 blades?
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The blades are finished and really just need some warmer weather to start working on handles and guards.  More than likely will begin this weekend as I've got about 6 blades ready for handles now.
1/11/2018 2:03:44 PM EDT
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Where did you get the wrought?
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This was from wagon wheels I got from a friend.  I have some boat chain links and a couple wagon wheels on hand, and there's a seller on Ebay with a whole pile of rounds from Old Globe in Superior I'm thinking about getting a bunch from since they're within driving distance.  Depends on whether they'll cut a deal from their Ebay pricing, which is $8.30/lb with shipping.
1/11/2018 4:59:18 PM EDT
[#47]
I'm going to attempt to forge my first bit of damascus soon. Any tips?
1/11/2018 6:35:03 PM EDT
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I'm going to attempt to forge my first bit of damascus soon. Any tips?
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Depends on how you're going to do it?  Assuming you're doing it manually with a little atmospheric forge:

1- start small, with a low layer stack.  3 pieces.  Grind the mating faces clean before stacking.
2- Figure out how to get a neutral or reducing atmosphere in your forge
3- Soak it longer than you think it needs to be.  If it took 2 minutes to get to an orange yellow temp all the way through as far as you can see, give it another 2 minutes before setting the weld.
4- After setting the weld reduce the stack by drawing it out so it's the thickness of 1 original layer.  More reduction=better chance of solid welds through and through
5- Test your weld.  Hammer the shit out of it on the edge on one end, see if it comes apart.  If your weld set, it won't.  If it doesn't, grind it clean and restack for more layers.
6- Use flux.  There are ways of welding without it, but I think it's easier to do it by hand using flux.  I use borax with some boric acid mixed in.  Borax from Ace for making detergent and boric acid roach killer.  Don't spend money on super black magic flux.  It's probably borax, boric acid with some charcoal in it anyway.

#1 is most important.  I can't tell you how many 15+ layer billets I fucked up before I got a handle on things.  Start with 3 and work your way up.
1/13/2018 12:15:46 AM EDT
[#49]
Started the ring guard tonight for the damascus mini bowie.  Still pretty rough but the concept is there at least.





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