Posted: 9/26/2024 9:14:06 PM EDT
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I bought a 2023 Explorer Timberline in Dec. There have been a few times I scraped when off road. My Timberline currently has 8.7" of clearence with 265/65r-18 all terrain tires. I got a 2" lift kit to help with the clearence, i have not installed yet and I'm wondering if i can go up in tire size without scraping or doing anything other than the lift. I'd like something like the ko2 tires but have more sidewall. Attached File Attached File |
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The next size up would be a 275/65R18 = 32 inch tire. Then 285/75R18 = 33 inch tire. I ran 33 inch tires on 17 inch rims on my Toyota 4Runner and Jeep Willys for a long time. I now have 35 inch tires on my Jeep. I would think you could get a 32 inch tire 275/65R18 on there pretty easily though. You might join a Ford Explorer Forum and see what the largest tire sizes people are getting on them. I would guess a 33 with some trimming or pushing of the wheel liner. A question you might keep in the back of your mind, did older gen Explorers run 17 inch wheels and will they fit on your Explorer? My F150 came with 20 inch wheels that I swapped out for 17 inch Ford Raptor wheels. Attached File Lastly if you want to screw with everyone on the highway around you, take off your roof rack. Civy Explorer Left Cop Explorer Right. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By drobs: The next size up would be a 275/65R18 = 32 inch tire. Then 285/75R18 = 33 inch tire. I ran 33 inch tires on 17 inch rims on my Toyota 4Runner and Jeep Willys for a long time. I now have 35 inch tires on my Jeep. I would think you could get a 32 inch tire 275/65R18 on there pretty easily though. You might join a Ford Explorer Forum and see what the largest tire sizes people are getting on them. I would guess a 33 with some trimming or pushing of the wheel liner. If I'm wanting a higher sidewall and more aggressive tread, wouldn't that be the second number? Ie something like a 265/75r-18 or 265/70-r18? |
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Originally Posted By tarheel7734: If I'm wanting a higher sidewall and more aggressive tread, wouldn't that be the second number? Ie something like a 265/75r-18 or 265/70-r18? On a 265/75R-18, the 265 is tread width in mm, the 75 means the sidewall is 75% of 265 tall, and of course 18 is the wheel diameter. To get height, you just use (0.75x265)x2/25.4+18, and that will get you close enough (radials are not perfectly round). Or, you could use any of the handy tire size calculators scattered all over the web. I like this one. Like an old TV infomercial though, "Wait, there's more!".....next post |
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The real problem is that you are changing your effective gearing. This may make your stability control and other things all wonky, it may just mess up your speedo and MPG readouts. There should be someone out there on an Explorer forum who knows. You might be able to fix all of this with a tune. Or maybe not. It is harder to tell with new cars with every passing year until someone does it and reports back. The other thing you are doing that many people miss is that you are changing the reflected inertia of the vehicle to the driveline by effectively changing your overall gearing. Sometimes, this does nothing perceptible for durability within reasonable bounds of tire sizes. But, Jeepers can tell you many stories of broken parts with upsized tires when they went too far without changing axle ratios (higher numerically) to match taller tires. The T-5 in the old CJs, already not the world's strongest transmission, got an unfair rap for breaking a lot with big tires because people were too cheap/lazy/uninformed about the necessity of changes to axle ratios. That's what reflected inertia can do to a driveline. How much margin for extra twist does an Explorer have in its driveline? IDK, but you can bet in today's CAFE-driven world where every gram of weight and every Watt of lost energy matters, it doesn't have much, especially in comparison to more truck-like vehicles that are expected to see a harsher duty cycle. 99% of Explorer owners don't do any more than soft roading - dirt roads and the like. I think you would be OK with one size up, maybe two, but you should do research on the risk you are taking. |
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Originally Posted By VVinci: The real problem is that you are changing your effective gearing. This may make your stability control and other things all wonky, it may just mess up your speedo and MPG readouts. There should be someone out there on an Explorer forum who knows. You might be able to fix all of this with a tune. Or maybe not. It is harder to tell with new cars with every passing year until someone does it and reports back. The other thing you are doing that many people miss is that you are changing the reflected inertia of the vehicle to the driveline by effectively changing your overall gearing. Sometimes, this does nothing perceptible for durability within reasonable bounds of tire sizes. But, Jeepers can tell you many stories of broken parts with upsized tires when they went too far without changing axle ratios (higher numerically) to match taller tires. The T-5 in the old CJs, already not the world's strongest transmission, got an unfair rap for breaking a lot with big tires because people were too cheap/lazy/uninformed about the necessity of changes to axle ratios. That's what reflected inertia can do to a driveline. How much margin for extra twist does an Explorer have in its driveline? IDK, but you can bet in today's CAFE-driven world where every gram of weight and every Watt of lost energy matters, it doesn't have much, especially in comparison to more truck-like vehicles that are expected to see a harsher duty cycle. 99% of Explorer owners don't do any more than soft roading - dirt roads and the like. I think you would be OK with one size up, maybe two, but you should do research on the risk you are taking. Thanks. I am working in part with my Ford dealer for what I am doing. They will do the install and whatever else needs to be done like alignment and sped adjustment if needed. They said they can get whatever tires I need or want and will make sure nothing is done incorrectly. |
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I've never seen a new Explorer off road. Does it have 4wd low? I don't think it does. The limited slip rear is neat but without 4low it's kind worthless. 4wd low keeps everything cool plus allows you to use your gearing for climbing things and going down steep hills. Instead of using either lots of gas pedal or brakes in 4wd high. 4wd low in most vehicles turns off traction / stability control. Not trying to be a dick but If I were you and wanted to go off road, I'd trade it in on a Ranger or Big Bronco if you want to stay with Ford. Otherwise for midsize vehicles - Jeep Wrangler, Toyota Tacoma, 4Runner, or Land Cruiser, Nissan Frontier, or Chevy Colorado. All of which have 4wd low and lockers or limited slips available. Full size pickups and SUV's with 4wd low will work but will really get scratched. I've been on a bunch of trail rides where someone was struggling climbing over a simple rock ledge because they were in 4 high. I now can hear them revving the shit out of their vehicle. Just a couple weeks ago I had a guy in newer Colorado on my trail ride call over the radio saying he was overheating. My response "Are you in 4 low? If not you should've been 3 hours ago." He was in 4 high, switched to 4 low and had no issues from then on. |
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Something like a 285/65r18 should fit. It’s about 1” wider and 1 inch taller, so that works out to about .5” less clearance for the inside of the tire to the suspension components, and .5” less clearance to the fender arch before the tire hits. bigger tires usually are going to make contact with the fender or bumper somewhere in the range of motion, so Trimming the plastics or adding some wheel spacers or new wheels might help with the final fitment. |
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Originally Posted By drobs: I've never seen a new Explorer off road. Does it have 4wd low? I don't think it does. The limited slip rear is neat but without 4low it's kind worthless. 4wd low keeps everything cool plus allows you to use your gearing for climbing things and going down steep hills. Instead of using either lots of gas pedal or brakes in 4wd high. 4wd low in most vehicles turns off traction / stability control. Not trying to be a dick but If I were you and wanted to go off road, I'd trade it in on a Ranger or Big Bronco if you want to stay with Ford. Otherwise for midsize vehicles - Jeep Wrangler, Toyota Tacoma, 4Runner, or Land Cruiser, Nissan Frontier, or Chevy Colorado. All of which have 4wd low and lockers or limited slips available. Full size pickups and SUV's with 4wd low will work but will really get scratched. I've been on a bunch of trail rides where someone was struggling climbing over a simple rock ledge because they were in 4 high. I now can hear them revving the shit out of their vehicle. Just a couple weeks ago I had a guy in newer Colorado on my trail ride call over the radio saying he was overheating. My response "Are you in 4 low? If not you should've been 3 hours ago." He was in 4 high, switched to 4 low and had no issues from then on. My shoulders are too wide for a Ranger , Bronco or Colorado. I was looking at them before I got the explorer. I have not had a chance to look at a 4 runner yet as there have not been any available in trd when I was looking. That being said my explorer has a couple hill modes. |
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Originally Posted By tarheel7734: My shoulders are too wide for a Ranger , Bronco or Colorado. I was looking at them before I got the explorer. I have not had a chance to look at a 4 runner yet as there have not been any available in trd when I was looking. That being said my explorer has a couple hill modes. My biggest recommendation for you would be to not go off road alone. TN is a lot like MO and AR - tons of awesome off road trails. Join a facebook Overlanding group or start your own. There are loads of people that would gladly join you on a trail ride, even on weekdays. There really is no reason to off road alone. I lead almost weekly trail rides with my facebook off road club that have anywhere from 4 to 20 vehicles show up. Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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If you do decide to off road on your own, I recommend you join this organization that offers free (volunteer) off road recovery all over the USA. https://offroadportal.org/ Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/groups/788420252908032 They have a phone number that you can call when you get stuck with your GPS coordinates. Members that show up may ask for some gas $ once you are recovered. I'm a member of that group plus the Missouri 4x4 Rescue group on facebook which is put on by RhinoUSA. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1771744512960125 There is also a TN 4x4 Rescue group, you can join on Facebook but it doesn't look to be very active. https://www.facebook.com/groups/767563083736270/ |
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I forgot about this thread. I did the 2" list, got new wheels and ko3 tires. It worked out great. Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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