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Originally Posted By dashotgun: pneumonia used to be called the olds mans friend because it was the cause of death in many elderly people so with the vaccine a dumb way to die, tetanus yourget a mild scratch while working around the house get tetanus and you die also stupid. Shingles does not kill you but you wish it did very very very painful. also the new shingles vaccine seems to prevent dementia reduces it in about 35 percent of individuals . All of these are optional. You don't want them fine FAFO. While your at it don't change the oil in your car Insurance that is for saps What a bunch of boomer crap. How many people in the usa die from tetanus annually? Brainwashed |
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I've had shingles before, thanks to stress. The doctor gave me an anti-viral pill and that cleared it up in a couple of weeks. For me, it wasn't bad. Now, I have heard from folks who got the shot that it really hurts afterwards. I've had single and double pneumonia, the double pneumonia being two years ago. It was rough, and I coughed for about four months afterwards. The coughing for the four months was so bad that I would briefly black out. I'll take the pneumonia shot! For tetanus boosters, I've had them several times and I'll take the shot. |
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Do it! If you have any doubts, ask anyone who has had shingles or pneumonia. I got a Flu shot last week. Will it work?  It depends on the variants that are just now emerging. It's always a crap shoot.I also plan on getting the COVID vaccine when it comes out. At my age, the result of a severe infection far outweigh the chances of any reaction. |
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Originally Posted By PeoplesRepublicOfIL: If you get injured by these shots can the manufacture be held liable? Originally Posted By PeoplesRepublicOfIL: Originally Posted By Bat15: They have been used for years before mRNA vaccines were developed. Shingles is very painful and if you get it in the wrong place can blind you. Tetanus can lead to a very painful death. Pneumonia is often fatal for older people. You can get the shots or take your chances. I like to put the odds in my favor. No. Who do you or your estate sue if you get Shingles, Pneumonia, or tetanus? |
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Originally Posted By graysonp: Never had shingles, but tetanus has got to be the dumbest vaccine that doctors give. The tetanus bacteria is anaerobic and thrives in animal bowels. If you can clean a cut and/or it's shallow enough to be exposed to oxygen, you'll be fine. Unless you have a deep puncture wound and handle animal shit on a regular basis, you're not getting tetanus. Somewhere along the way, doctors convinced everyone that any minor nick with a rusty nail was going to give you tetanus. My mother taught me this back in the 80s... I have refused it a couple times. Once was in the ER after a car accident after hitting my head on the dash. I was like, Wtf does that have to do with it? I got a, "You don't have to be afraid of needles" speech. |
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Aunt has had shingles after the two different shots. Worse each time and has had shingles three times. I get the tetanus shot because I mess with rusty ground and rust a lot. I quit getting flu and pneumonia shots because I kept getting sick from them. Last time I was sick for a damn month. |
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Originally Posted By sunnybean: After the C19 jab debacle and reading ‘Doctor Mary’s Monkey’ you’re gonna have to do a lot of explaining as to what is in any concoction before I decide to put it into my body. But you do you. |
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Originally Posted By backbencher: Get shingles & tetanus. Pneumonia if you have lung issues or other significant medical problems. When I got shingles @ Walgreens, I demanded to watch them mix it & draw. I would refuse any shot where you didn't see them draw it from the vial. There were a few folks injected w/ the clot shot by the military when they went to get the flu shot. You are correct not to trust them - much of the medical community are useful idiots or fellow travelers. Agree on the first two, pneumonia if you have risk factors or tend to someone at risk. |
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I didn't get the pneumonia. There's some evidence that getting the shingles vaccine lowers the chances of getting Alzheimer's. That's a great side benefit but I got the shingles vax because I saw a sweet, wonderful, healthy lady get absolutely wrecked by a case of shingles. |
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Originally Posted By CashOnlyLargeBills: Tdap yes, and if you have had chicken pox, the shingles vaccine is fine. The rest of them can sit on the shelf. Originally Posted By peanutman: You will be very, very unhappy if you get shingles. Originally Posted By _Matt_: Shingles sucks But heard from everyone that took the shot it sucks too  Get the shingles shot, I have to wait 2 months because I'm recouping for this shit on top of that I'm a hairy shit Attached File |
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Its interesting, Ive had quite a few diabetics tell me they have to take the shot because theyre at higher risk . Many of them eat garbage , dont exercise, and continue with uncontrolled blood sugars . The interesting part is how fast those antibodies become glycated and essentially useless . That doesnt even acknowledge AGE/RAGE and increased inflammation leading to higher cortisol ...suppressing and misdirecting whats left of the immune system . Just some thoughts. |
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Originally Posted By PeoplesRepublicOfIL: Why can’t the manufacture be held liable? Originally Posted By PeoplesRepublicOfIL: Originally Posted By Bat15: No. Who do you or your estate sue if you get Shingles, Pneumonia, or tetanus? Federal law. Now answer my question. |
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I'm 70, I've never had a flu shot and last time I had the flu was 36 years ago. I don't think I had Chicken Pox as a child so there is no reason to get a shingles shot and I've never had pneumonia. I don't get tetanus shots unless I have a puncture wound can't remember the last time, decades ago though. I don't plan on getting any vaccines that I don't have to. |
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Originally Posted By dashotgun: pneumonia used to be called the olds mans friend because it was the cause of death in many elderly people so with the vaccine a dumb way to die, tetanus yourget a mild scratch while working around the house get tetanus and you die also stupid. Shingles does not kill you but you wish it did very very very painful. also the new shingles vaccine seems to prevent dementia reduces it in about 35 percent of individuals . All of these are optional. You don't want them fine FAFO. While your at it don't change the oil in your car Insurance that is for saps Agree. Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you are always afraid. |
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Originally Posted By MikeJGA: Agree. Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you are always afraid. Originally Posted By MikeJGA: Originally Posted By dashotgun: pneumonia used to be called the olds mans friend because it was the cause of death in many elderly people so with the vaccine a dumb way to die, tetanus yourget a mild scratch while working around the house get tetanus and you die also stupid. Shingles does not kill you but you wish it did very very very painful. also the new shingles vaccine seems to prevent dementia reduces it in about 35 percent of individuals . All of these are optional. You don't want them fine FAFO. While your at it don't change the oil in your car Insurance that is for saps Agree. Paranoia strikes deep. Into your life it will creep. It starts when you are always afraid. It cuts both ways . You can be paranoid and vaccinate against everything known to man . How effective will that be if you're just a sedentary fatty eating crap. Less is often more . |
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Originally Posted By Bat15: Federal law. Now answer my question. Originally Posted By Bat15: Federal law. Now answer my question. To answer your question: I wouldn’t sue anybody for catching a disease. The data actually shows vaccines do more harm to your health long term. https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/hulscher-drops-explosive-vaccine As I told lawmakers, the main result was striking. After statistical adjustment for important baseline differences, vaccinated children had roughly a 2.5-times higher risk of developing a chronic health condition during follow-up. At 10 years, the Kaplan-Meier analysis estimated that 57% of vaccinated children versus 17% of completely unvaccinated children had developed at least one chronic condition. Then I opened our peer-reviewed reanalysis of the Henry Ford data and walked lawmakers through the raw numbers and crude proportions. |
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Originally Posted By Tirador223: I have utter faith in whatever Mr. Kennedy, the head of HHS, tells me regarding my personal health. His medical expertise is like nothing the world has ever seen. I mean, shit, he’s got a law degree from UVA. More faith in “the science” that pled the fifth 105 times? He had no problem running his suck on TV about a bunch of made up trash like 6’ distancing, masks don’t work then suddenly they do… etc. Don’t worry I’m sure Fauci himself was the bad guy the entire NIH and medical system had a guy like that make it to the top by chance. |
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: I will never take another vaccine. I'm done. Look at the Cleveland Clinic study on the flu vax. Negative efficiency. Covid was a complete joke and we were lied to so horribly, I trust used car salesmen and lawyers more than anyone in the medical system. Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: I will never take another vaccine. I'm done. Look at the Cleveland Clinic study on the flu vax. Negative efficiency. Covid was a complete joke and we were lied to so horribly, I trust used car salesmen and lawyers more than anyone in the medical system. When vaccinations were becoming more widespread in the late 1800s doctors at the time were complaining about cancers they have never seen before! https://sashalatypova.substack.com/p/vaccines-all-injected-biologics-are In this post I am republishing a booklet written in 1892. Mass vaccination, especially of children and women, and laws mandating vaccines have begun in earnest in mid 1800’s. By the end of the century, it was recognized at least by some doctors that vaccines induce cancer which had already begun it’s unstoppable rise in “civilized” populations, in perfect correlation with increasing “access to modern medicine”. It really shouldn’t be that surprising, one of the vaccines in the OP was the shingles one that is made with Chinese hamster ovary cells. Injecting animal cells right into the body, who knows what the long term effects are? The polio vaccine was grown in monkey kidney cells and some of those cells contained SV40 which is a carcinogen causing some who got the polio vaccine to die of cancer. |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: I had no issue with the shingles vaccine. Except for the long wait of many months after I had a shingles break out. I'm more afraid of pneumonia than the flu, especially if I land in a hospital for some reason. Originally Posted By AeroE: Originally Posted By _Matt_: Originally Posted By JAR0023: I had chickenpox as a kid so I got the shingles vax. Second shot sucked. Too many people around me getting shingles and telling me how bad it is. Would not have thought much about tetanus but added it when I got my shots for South America. Hadn't thought much about pneumonia vax. How does that work? My only bout with pneumonia was bacterial. Shingles sucks But heard from everyone that took the shot it sucks too I had no issue with the shingles vaccine. Except for the long wait of many months after I had a shingles break out. I'm more afraid of pneumonia than the flu, especially if I land in a hospital for some reason. If actually having shingles does not give you protection from getting shingles again, how can a vaccine designed to cause an immune reaction to shingles protect you from shingles? |
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Originally Posted By PeoplesRepublicOfIL: Do you know what's in them? Can you look at the shot and identify what is in it? How do you know what is in it is the same as what they are telling you? Are you going to trust the science, after "the science" plead the fifth 106 times? |
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Originally Posted By Kipple: Shingles really, really sucked and I had a mild-ish case of it. After that I got the vaccine, always have gotten tdap when needed as I tend to get scratched up a lot working on the property/fences. I've been on the fence about pneumonia vaccine, seems like a good idea but I'm not sure I'm at an age yet that I'm concerned about it yet. Why do you think getting the shingles vaccine will give you protection but actually having shingles will not give you protection. Both produce an immune response that produces antibodies. The vaccine mimics the actual disease. If the actual disease immune response will not keep you from getting it again, how can the vaccine keep you from getting it again. I don't understand this. |
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The new Shingles vaccines uses the AS01B adjuvant system, which is new. It can be read about here: The first link is about the combined system, the next 2 links are the 2 ingredients that make up the system which is in effect 2 adjuvants. https://gosset.ai/targets/as01b-adjuvant-system/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4874334/ https://www.creative-diagnostics.com/monophosphoryl-lipid-a-mpla.htm |
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: I will never take another vaccine. I'm done. Look at the Cleveland Clinic study on the flu vax. Negative efficiency. Covid was a complete joke and we were lied to so horribly, I trust used car salesmen and lawyers more than anyone in the medical system. This is kinda where I am at. |
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You already answered your own question. It's irrational and you know it. I don't know anything about the pneumonia vaccine, so I won't comment on that. I've had shingles and would do just about anything to avoid it again. It's terrible. TDAP has been around forever. Being anti-all vaccines is as retarded as taking every single shot without question. Use your critical thinking skills, be descerning, use logic not emotion. |
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| Absolutely get the Tdap and shingles. I've had shingles and the shingles vax. The vaccine sucks, but nowhere near as bad as the shingles. Shingles can blind you or give you brain damage in bad cases. See Diane Fienstein. Tdap has been around a long time. Safe and effective. Pneumonia can kill you if you're old or have some underlying disease. Even if you are healthy, once you get pneumonia it tends to recur and recur. |
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What a bunch of boomer crap. How many people in the usa die from tetanus annually? Brainwashed |
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Originally Posted By Mach:
So you had shingles and then after having shingles you got the shingles vaccine. Why do you think getting the shingles vaccine will give you protection but actually having shingles will not give you protection. Both produce an immune response that produces antibodies. The vaccine mimics the actual disease. If the actual disease immune response will not keep you from getting it again, how can the vaccine keep you from getting it again. I don't understand this. There's pretty good data about it. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12085024/https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12085024/ |
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24: I will never take another vaccine. I'm done. Look at the Cleveland Clinic study on the flu vax. Negative efficiency. Covid was a complete joke and we were lied to so horribly, I trust used car salesmen and lawyers more than anyone in the medical system. So if there are hundreds or thousands of studies that show the same thing, but one has a different result, you trust the outlier that says what you want it to say instead of the countless others that contradict it? |
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What is really going on here? https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/05/fda-studies-covid-shingles-vaccines-safe.html FDA withdrew studies finding Covid and shingles vaccines were safe PUBLISHED TUE, MAY 5 20264:45 PM EDT In February, top FDA officials did not sign off on submitting study abstracts on Shingrix, a shingles vaccine, to a drug safety conference, the paper added. The HHS spokesperson told CNBC the recent studies were “withdrawn because the authors drew broad conclusions that were not supported by the underlying data.” “The FDA acted to protect the integrity of its scientific process and ensure that any work associated with the agency meets its high standards,” they added. When asked about the shingles vaccine research, the HHS spokesperson said the design of that study “fell outside the agency’s purview.” |
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Same boat. Same age. Doc recommended the same set of shots. Asked Doc to prioritize them - response was the shingles vaccine. Asked about side effects. Doc’s reply: What are you doing for the next few days? Took the first of two doses. Beware. It knocked me on my ass for 12-24 hours w/ flu-like symptoms. |
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You learn something new everyday! If you are injured by shingrix you aren’t compensated in the special vaccine court! https://www.greenlegalteam.com/vaccine-injury-faq/ The Vaccine Injury Table lists the following vaccines as included in the VICP: Tetanus toxoid vaccines (DTaP, DTP, DT, Td, or TT) Pertussis vaccines (DTP, DTaP, P, DTP-Hib) Measles, mumps and rubella vaccines (MMR, MM, MMRV) Vaccine Polio virus vaccine (OPV, IPV) Hepatitis A vaccine Hepatitis B vaccine Haemophilus influenza type b (Hib) Varicella Vaccine Rotavirus vaccine Pneumococcal conjugate vaccines Seasonal influenza (Flu Shot) Vaccine Meningococcal vaccines Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines Note: As of 5/2024 COVID-19 vaccines are not currently included in the Vaccine Injury Table and are therefore not included in the VICP. Is the Shingles (Shingrix) Vaccine Covered in the VICP? No. The shingles (Shingrix) vaccine is not covered by the VICP. The varicella (chicken pox) vaccine is covered though. Individuals who claim the shingles (Shingrix) vaccine is the cause of their injury would have to file a civil suit outside of the VICP. |