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Quoted: Short term fasting is great. Eat protein and exercise, specifically weight or resistance training. A magic pill is never the answer. I've done 2 and 3 day fasts, not to lose weight by to stimulate autophagy. People fail at dieting and exercise as much as with pills. Just look at the keto thread. I've maintained my weigh for years. 10 lbs can turn into 60 if it's not nipped in the bud. It gets harder as you get older. |
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Quoted: Keto carnivore with intermittent fasting works better only with no Rx. Carbs and sugar- stop all of it. You will lose weight and all your numbers will be good. Beef butter bacon and eggs has no side effects or experimental drugs. Go to youtube and look up Dr Ken Berry and Jason fung. Follow what the say and you will be amazed at the results. Keto/carnivore isn't sustainable long term for most people. I went from being a fat ass to lean and muscular by tracking macros. Never low carbs ever. Sure they go up and down but never eliminated. People just have to change their eating habits they don't have to eliminate any macronutrients. It's not easy no matter which way you choose. |
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Quoted: Why? Because they don't have the willpower to eliminate an entire macronutrient forever and if you don't stick to it your just going to yoyo back. My goals are to build muscle and have the best possible gym performance possible so eliminating carbs wouldn't make sense for me. It would hamstring my potential. I'm a small guy but I've made good progress. Here is me from xmas 2020 and then a check in pic this morning and a gym pic from a few months ago. I am on a cut and probably have about 10lbs more to lose by mid june.   
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Quoted: The late-stage study of the drug for weight loss adds to earlier evidence that similar participants without diabetes lost up to 22% of their body weight over that period with weekly injections of the drug. For a typical patient on the highest dose, that meant shedding more than 50 pounds. Industry analysts predict that tirzepatide could become one of the top-selling drugs ever, with annual sales topping $50 billion. It is expected to outpace Novo Nordisk’s Ozempic — a diabetes drug used so commonly to shed pounds that comedian Jimmy Kimmel joked about it at the Oscars — and Wegovy, a version of the drug also known as semaglutide approved for weight loss in 2021. Together, those drugs made nearly $10 billion in 2022, with prescriptions continuing to soar, company reports show. https://apnews.com/article/mounjaro-wegovy-ozempic-obesity-weight-loss-bd0e037cc5981513487260d40636752a All the GLP-1 drugs can be used "off label" for weight loss. My wife is on Mounjaro and has seen great results. Now that supply is caught up with demand, the issue now is navigating through Insurance and FDA regulation. The FDA only approves WEGOVY for weight loss, and subsequently, no insurance company will cover it for that. It's interesting to note that every other injection drug that's a GLP-1 can only be purchased free or 25$ if its coded you have Type-2 Diabetes. You would think, it would be great if everyone could get the drug for $25 a month or just free because Insurance companies will be paying a lot more for you if you're a fatty since later in life you'll have all the problems associated with it. Obviously the push back is make a life style change, which is obvious, but these drugs are so effective, its kind of criminal to not just provide it to those who seek it out. Obviously it's up to the individual /should be. But then the pharmaceutical companies may feel like its a lot more profitable for everyone to be fat. |
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Quoted: Why? Quoted: Quoted: Keto/carnivore isn't sustainable long term for most people. Why? I think it has more to do with mindset. Notice in the keto thread how when it is perceived that one has "cheated", they don't just "fall of the wagon" they roll under it and get run over. They still haven't addressed the gluttonous thought process that made them 100lbs overweight to begin with. This isn't just a phenomena of keto diet, it's any diet. And it seems mostly to affect the ones that are hugely overweight. They became hamplanets for a reason and the fact they lost weight, feel and look better, yet go back to being hamplanets is revealing. There is a mindset in this country that "eating all you want" of something is a goal. The fact is, the country is obsessed with eating. Another thing, notice in the keto thread, or anywhere keto is discussed, they dieters try to make keto food look like non keto food with the almond flour, eggs and whatnot. They haven't corrected the notion of eating actual food, they make pretend junk food that is keto friendly. That's my take anyway. If one weights oneself frequently you can catch these small gains before they become large ones. People don't want to weigh themselves because they know they are gaining weight but they don't want to verify it. Then there's the bullshit notion that the scale doesn't matter, brought to us in the smartwell cookie era. |
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Quoted: Because they don't have the willpower to eliminate an entire macronutrient forever and if you don't stick to it your just going to yoyo back. My goals are to build muscle and have the best possible gym performance possible so eliminating carbs wouldn't make sense for me. It would hamstring my potential. I'm a small guy but I've made good progress. Here is me from xmas 2020 and then a check in pic this morning and a gym pic from a few months ago. I am on a cut and probably have about 10lbs more to lose by mid june. https://i.postimg.cc/sg6XF2KC/180-2-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/YSgnWvv1/20230428-070205.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7YrJRMmG/20221220-045847-3.jpg Quoted: Quoted: Why? Because they don't have the willpower to eliminate an entire macronutrient forever and if you don't stick to it your just going to yoyo back. My goals are to build muscle and have the best possible gym performance possible so eliminating carbs wouldn't make sense for me. It would hamstring my potential. I'm a small guy but I've made good progress. Here is me from xmas 2020 and then a check in pic this morning and a gym pic from a few months ago. I am on a cut and probably have about 10lbs more to lose by mid june. https://i.postimg.cc/sg6XF2KC/180-2-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/YSgnWvv1/20230428-070205.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7YrJRMmG/20221220-045847-3.jpg Well done. Did Aimless whack your forearm with a Walmart hatchet ? |
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Quoted: Well done. Did Aimless whack your forearm with a Walmart hatchet ? Believe it or not I got that wrestling a pig down. My arm got caught between him and some corrugated steel on his hut. My neighbor was helping me put rings in his nose. Clearly I didn't know what I was doing. I got the pig hammered the next time lol. |
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Quoted: Believe it or not I got that wrestling a pig down. My arm got caught between him and some corrugated steel on his hut. My neighbor was helping me put rings in his nose. Clearly I didn't know what I was doing. I got the pig hammered the next time lol. Quoted: Quoted: Well done. Did Aimless whack your forearm with a Walmart hatchet ? Believe it or not I got that wrestling a pig down. My arm got caught between him and some corrugated steel on his hut. My neighbor was helping me put rings in his nose. Clearly I didn't know what I was doing. I got the pig hammered the next time lol. Nice ! 
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Quoted: Yay keep stuffing your face so you can spend $500/month on drugs for the rest of your life. Start just skipping breakfast. See how long you can wait before you are actually hungry. Stop snacking on garbage. Cut out soda and beer. Any one of those would work wonders for a lot of people. "Skipping breakfast" is fucking terrible advice. Stop giving advice. It's about eating smaller, healthier meals |
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Quoted: Thanks for posting that. I am a walking pin cushion. Between the test cyp and the vitamin B (12?) complex that I inject, I am half tempted to add a third: semaglutide. The vials are sitting in my fridge, waiting. I finally got them last week. I had ordered them through my “men’s clinic” . There was a glitch in the shipping, so they comp’ed me the vitamin B stuff. The semaglutide might just wait. I am kinda nervous about taking it because like other posters have said….5 years from now, the late night ambulance chasing lawyers with your “join this class action suit now!” commercials. I am close to 300 pounds, and I know I gotta do something. Both working out and eating better. You can do it. I was 357 pounds in 2014. I was down to 252 a couple of months ago, but crept back to 262 as of last week. Back on my semi-keto diet and intermittent fasting religiously and I *FEEL* like it is coming back off. Hope to get under 200 again some day. |
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Quoted: "Skipping breakfast" is fucking terrible advice. Stop giving advice. It's about eating smaller, healthier meals This isnt 1985 anymore. Skipping breakfast is just fine. Intermittent fasting may be one of the easier ways for people to lose weight, and it has significant benefits for those with blood sugar issues. |
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Quoted: Because they don't have the willpower to eliminate an entire macronutrient forever and if you don't stick to it your just going to yoyo back. My goals are to build muscle and have the best possible gym performance possible so eliminating carbs wouldn't make sense for me. It would hamstring my potential. I'm a small guy but I've made good progress. Here is me from xmas 2020 and then a check in pic this morning and a gym pic from a few months ago. I am on a cut and probably have about 10lbs more to lose by mid june. https://i.postimg.cc/sg6XF2KC/180-2-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/YSgnWvv1/20230428-070205.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7YrJRMmG/20221220-045847-3.jpg Quoted: Quoted: Why? Because they don't have the willpower to eliminate an entire macronutrient forever and if you don't stick to it your just going to yoyo back. My goals are to build muscle and have the best possible gym performance possible so eliminating carbs wouldn't make sense for me. It would hamstring my potential. I'm a small guy but I've made good progress. Here is me from xmas 2020 and then a check in pic this morning and a gym pic from a few months ago. I am on a cut and probably have about 10lbs more to lose by mid june. https://i.postimg.cc/sg6XF2KC/180-2-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/YSgnWvv1/20230428-070205.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7YrJRMmG/20221220-045847-3.jpg Not a fan of leg day? 
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Quoted: I think it has more to do with mindset. Notice in the keto thread how when it is perceived that one has "cheated", they don't just "fall of the wagon" they roll under it and get run over. They still haven't addressed the gluttonous thought process that made them 100lbs overweight to begin with. This isn't just a phenomena of keto diet, it's any diet. And it seems mostly to affect the ones that are hugely overweight. They became hamplanets for a reason and the fact they lost weight, feel and look better, yet go back to being hamplanets is revealing. There is a mindset in this country that "eating all you want" of something is a goal. The fact is, the country is obsessed with eating. Another thing, notice in the keto thread, or anywhere keto is discussed, they dieters try to make keto food look like non keto food with the almond flour, eggs and whatnot. They haven't corrected the notion of eating actual food, they make pretend junk food that is keto friendly. That's my take anyway. If one weights oneself frequently you can catch these small gains before they become large ones. People don't want to weigh themselves because they know they are gaining weight but they don't want to verify it. Then there's the bullshit notion that the scale doesn't matter, brought to us in the smartwell cookie era. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Keto/carnivore isn't sustainable long term for most people. Why? I think it has more to do with mindset. Notice in the keto thread how when it is perceived that one has "cheated", they don't just "fall of the wagon" they roll under it and get run over. They still haven't addressed the gluttonous thought process that made them 100lbs overweight to begin with. This isn't just a phenomena of keto diet, it's any diet. And it seems mostly to affect the ones that are hugely overweight. They became hamplanets for a reason and the fact they lost weight, feel and look better, yet go back to being hamplanets is revealing. There is a mindset in this country that "eating all you want" of something is a goal. The fact is, the country is obsessed with eating. Another thing, notice in the keto thread, or anywhere keto is discussed, they dieters try to make keto food look like non keto food with the almond flour, eggs and whatnot. They haven't corrected the notion of eating actual food, they make pretend junk food that is keto friendly. That's my take anyway. If one weights oneself frequently you can catch these small gains before they become large ones. People don't want to weigh themselves because they know they are gaining weight but they don't want to verify it. Then there's the bullshit notion that the scale doesn't matter, brought to us in the smartwell cookie era. But they'll make all the jokes about vegans and vegetarians ("If it's so great, why do they keep trying to make food that resembles meat?")  Pretty much spot on. I know several people at work who keep trying to lose fat (I don't care for the PC BS. They're not trying to lose weight, to make a weight class in competition. They're trying to lose fat). They make some progress, then go right back to do8ng what they did to get that fat in the first place. I tried the Paleo diet, and it worked decently well for staying lean, but I had a tough time building muscle on it. I get much better results for building muscle mass, by adding carbs. |
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Quoted: This isnt 1985 anymore. Skipping breakfast is just fine. Intermittent fasting may be one of the easier ways for people to lose weight, and it has significant benefits for those with blood sugar issues. Quoted: Quoted: "Skipping breakfast" is fucking terrible advice. Stop giving advice. It's about eating smaller, healthier meals This isnt 1985 anymore. Skipping breakfast is just fine. Intermittent fasting may be one of the easier ways for people to lose weight, and it has significant benefits for those with blood sugar issues. I actually workout; in a (semi?) fasted state. Having a basement gym makes things MUCH more convenient; but I wake up, chug 10oz of water. Go take a poop (morning ritual), then go downstairs and lift. THEN, after my workout, I chug a protein shake, jump in the shower, THEN have my first meal of the day. |
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Quoted: I actually workout; in a (semi?) fasted state. Having a basement gym makes things MUCH more convenient; but I wake up, chug 10oz of water. Go take a poop (morning ritual), then go downstairs and lift. THEN, after my workout, I chug a protein shake, jump in the shower, THEN have my first meal of the day. I workout and train bjj exclusively fasted. BJJ -> Gym to lift -> home to shower. I still wait a few hours to eat just because I dont eat until after 12p. At this point I cant imagine eating or lifting with food in my stomach. |
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Quoted: I workout and train bjj exclusively fasted. BJJ -> Gym to lift -> home to shower. I still wait a few hours to eat just because I dont eat until after 12p. At this point I cant imagine eating or lifting with food in my stomach. Quoted: Quoted: I actually workout; in a (semi?) fasted state. Having a basement gym makes things MUCH more convenient; but I wake up, chug 10oz of water. Go take a poop (morning ritual), then go downstairs and lift. THEN, after my workout, I chug a protein shake, jump in the shower, THEN have my first meal of the day. I workout and train bjj exclusively fasted. BJJ -> Gym to lift -> home to shower. I still wait a few hours to eat just because I dont eat until after 12p. At this point I cant imagine eating or lifting with food in my stomach. Bracing against a weight belt, with food in my stomach? 
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Quoted: If it gets people motivated and into a healthier life style I'm all for it. If you think people flocking to a medical fix for a problem, that could be fixed with hard work and discipline, are motivated for a healthier lifestyle, then I have some sad news for you. |
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Quoted: If you think people flocking to a medical fix for a problem, that could be fixed with hard work and discipline, are motivated for a healthier lifestyle, then I have some sad news for you. Quoted: Quoted: If it gets people motivated and into a healthier life style I'm all for it. If you think people flocking to a medical fix for a problem, that could be fixed with hard work and discipline, are motivated for a healthier lifestyle, then I have some sad news for you. Dude it's hard as shit to get motivated when you are obese lard ass. But when you start seeing the pounds drop off everytime you step on the scale. It's a dopamine rush and an excitement that motivates you to keep it that way. You can't put in the hard work/discipline unless you have the motivation in the first place. I don't get why so many people in GD are so fucking negative all the time. If it gives somebody a push to better their lives and keep it that way, I'm all for it man. Some people just hit rock bottom and need an extra push to get back into things. If it's a magic pill, so be it. It's a vicious cycle and if a cheap diabetes medicine helps people get out of it, I'm all for it. Taking that first step is often the hardest when you are out of shape, tired all the time, and just feeling like you look. |
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Quoted: Because they don't have the willpower to eliminate an entire macronutrient forever and if you don't stick to it your just going to yoyo back. My goals are to build muscle and have the best possible gym performance possible so eliminating carbs wouldn't make sense for me. It would hamstring my potential. I'm a small guy but I've made good progress. Here is me from xmas 2020 and then a check in pic this morning and a gym pic from a few months ago. I am on a cut and probably have about 10lbs more to lose Great progress! Keep up the good work. I went carnavore 3 months ago. I'm never going back. I actually feel like I'm getting younger. I have no need for carbs in my life. At all. I'm down 25 pounds. My joint aches are gone. My environmental allergies are all but gone. I know this is weird but my mouth feels better. I don't get near as much plaque on my teeth. My plantar fasciitis is gone. I have more energy than I've had in years. I don't belive I need carbs at all and I belive ill be on this diet forever. It doesn't take much will power when the results come this fast and are this good. |
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New York(CNN) Jenny Craig is reportedly shutting down some of its weight-loss centers and warning employees of mass layoffs amid upheaval in the industry from popular new prescription drugs like Ozempic. Jenny Craig alerted employees to potential layoffs as it begins "winding down physical operations" and hunts for a buyer, according to NBC News. Jenny Craig has nearly 500 weight-loss centers in the United States and Canada. Jenny Craig's program provides nutritionally balanced menus, which include entrees, desserts and snacks, designed to help people lose weight. Bloomberg reported this week that the company has roughly $250 million of debt and is considering a bankruptcy filing if efforts to find a buyer for its assets fail. It's the latest sign of major changes in the weight-loss industry, brought on by popular new prescription diabetes drugs such as Wegovy, Ozempic, and Rybelsus. |
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Quoted: All the GLP-1 drugs can be used "off label" for weight loss. My wife is on Mounjaro and has seen great results. Now that supply is caught up with demand, the issue now is navigating through Insurance and FDA regulation. The FDA only approves WEGOVY for weight loss, and subsequently, no insurance company will cover it for that. It's interesting to note that every other injection drug that's a GLP-1 can only be purchased free or 25$ if its coded you have Type-2 Diabetes. You would think, it would be great if everyone could get the drug for $25 a month or just free because Insurance companies will be paying a lot more for you if you're a fatty since later in life you'll have all the problems associated with it. Obviously the push back is make a life style change, which is obvious, but these drugs are so effective, its kind of criminal to not just provide it to those who seek it out. Obviously it's up to the individual /should be. But then the pharmaceutical companies may feel like its a lot more profitable for everyone to be fat. Nobody stays with the same insurance provider for their adult life. And chances are you switch every 5-10 years. Then Medicare when eligible. Why should insurance A pay for it when your a fatty at 40 when you'll be with insurance B during your 50's and Medicare in your 60's Criminal not to provide it eh comrade? Psst-It's available to anyone who wants to PAY OUT OF POCKET with a valid Rx. |
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Quoted: If you think people flocking to a medical fix for a problem, that could be fixed with hard work and discipline, are motivated for a healthier lifestyle, then I have some sad news for you. Quoted: Quoted: If it gets people motivated and into a healthier life style I'm all for it. If you think people flocking to a medical fix for a problem, that could be fixed with hard work and discipline, are motivated for a healthier lifestyle, then I have some sad news for you. Once you become obese there are permanent changes to your metabolism and satiety signaling systems that won’t go away no matter how long you maintain lifestyle improvements. And those changes make maintaining the lifestyle improvements more difficult. That’s why of the few people who manage to lose significant weight even fewer manage to keep it off. Being lazy may have got you fat in the first place. But once you’re there you have real permanent at damage to your system that makes getting out of it even harder. And losing weight doesn’t repair that damage. That’s why obesity researchers have called obesity a chronic disease. These drugs counteract some of the effects of that permanent damage, leading to weight loss. Imagine never feeling full and satisfied no matter how much you eat, with only being physically stuffed giving you the feeling of full. That’s reality for most people who let themselves go and got super obese, even after they manage to willpower themselves back to a normal weight. Normals who never did themselves in that way can eat a reasonable amount and get the “I’m full” signal. That makes it far easier to “exercise willpower” in the latter case. |
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Quoted: Not a fan of leg day? That view/lighting doesn't do them justice. I have small legs but they actually do have pretty defined shape and are pretty cut. I don't have a good spot for check in pics as far as lighting etc. Genetics are a bitch though. I do 2 leg days a week. |
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Quoted: My brands are Kouzini and Bariani. Kouzini comes from Greece. They have a website you can check out. You can also email or call them. I order directly from them, don't order from Amazon. The olive oil has a nice balance. Bariani is from Italian trees in California. It's a very very strong tasting oil with bitter notes. That's the polyphenols talking. They also have a website. I get the early harvest mostly. It sometimes sells out. Early harvest is made from green olives and is a little more nutritious and tastes different. There are other companies but I've settled on these two. I order nothing from Amazon, I've gotten fake and expired oil doing that. Olive oil is supposed to be strong spicy and peppery. Americans don't like this, that's why the stores are full of adulterated oil. You won't find the aforementioned brands in the store because they produce a finite amount and when they're out they're out. California ranch used to be good but got popular so they started importing oils from everywhere. The brands I get come from trees from the same area. The olives are pressed within 2 hours of picking. This has a large effect on how nutritious it is. Fake oil can be dangerous. Check out the Spanish oil disaster Here is one link. There are others. It's why I don't trust olive oil from unknown sources I got the Bariani olive oil. I also ordered some of their balsamic vinegar. The oil is next level stuff. Today is the first chance I had to use it and I just drizzled a little on my fried eggs this morning. The aroma and taste difference was noticeable. I might cook with the Kirkland stuff, but this stuff I'm going to add on everything. |
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