Posted: 4/13/2015 11:27:46 AM EDT
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This was the subject of some debate in a class today. Wanted to get the almighty hive's opinion. Lets keep this somewhat civil kids. Poll will be up in a few.
ETA: I do not support private corrections facilities. It could easily go sideways politically, socially, economically, etc. That's just my opinion and I should look into it more before making a concrete answer. |
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Not just no but hell no! To great of a chance for stuff like the PA kids for cash scandal.
http://nypost.com/2014/02/23/film-details-teens-struggles-in-state-detention-in-payoff-scandal/ |
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prisons should be seen as a place where prisoners can work off their debt to society.
Privatized prisons often times take the result of their burdensome work, and apply that work towards a private profit-creating mechanism. Such as basic fabrication or agriculture. Operators of private jails are taking a debt owed to society, and privatizing the gains, keeping all of the profits. |
| It's unavoidable. I would prefer to see all correctional officers as government employees, but they cost a fortune. Also, because of "property rights" associated with government employees, they are difficult or impossible to terminate. The pension costs are out of this world, and contribute to the insolvency of political subdivisions across the country. The only employment in the country that offers defined benefit plans is government employment. That's because the taxpayer can be saddled with unlimited taxes, or the employer can just print money. |
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The FSA and the insane costs of compliance with various mandates (hybrid buses and cars, green buildings, etc) are what is killing budgets. But politicians always point at the same things, pensions, healthcare, schools, libraries, etc. I bet you could pay every gov employee 100K a year and give them a pension for life and it would be cheaper than supporting the FSA - not saying we SHOULD do that but using it as a comparison.
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It's unavoidable. I would prefer to see all correctional officers as government employees, but they cost a fortune. Also, because of "property rights" associated with government employees, they are difficult or impossible to terminate. The pension costs are out of this world, and contribute to the insolvency of political subdivisions across the country. The only employment in the country that offers defined benefit plans is government employment. That's because the taxpayer can be saddled with unlimited taxes, or the employer can just print money. |
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No. A while back (60 minutes?) there was a segment where the prosecutor and the judge were working together to fill up their juvi jails and kick backs abounded not to mention those put in there for doing basically nothing....... Lots of abuses of prisoners here in ID. I think they shut one down or the state took it over....... |
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The people making decisions regarding punishment and sentences of prisoners should be government types, the facilities themselves should be government facilities.
But private industry should be contracted to handle a lot of the day-to-day ops a prison. Guards, maintenance, food service, med service... private companies could almost certainly get all of that done more efficiently. |
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It's unavoidable. I would prefer to see all correctional officers as government employees, but they cost a fortune. Also, because of "property rights" associated with government employees, they are difficult or impossible to terminate. The pension costs are out of this world, and contribute to the insolvency of political subdivisions across the country. The only employment in the country that offers defined benefit plans is government employment. That's because the taxpayer can be saddled with unlimited taxes, or the employer can just print money. Don't play with your Ding-A-Ling in public like that. |
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prisons should be seen as a place where prisoners can work off their debt to society. Privatized prisons often times take the result of their burdensome work, and apply that work towards a private profit-creating mechanism. Such as basic fabrication or agriculture. Operators of private jails are taking a debt owed to society, and privatizing the gains, keeping all of the profits. I couldn't have said it any better. This is one area where privatization has no place. |
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We have a federal one right down the street. Been there for more than 20 years. Seems to work. So far not many issues.
The whole federal system is a joke anyway. If an inmate wants to transfer out to another Federal institution, and they are a minimum level inmate, they get a bus ticket and two weeks to report. |
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I would like to see prisons become self supporting. Like raising their own food and trading with other prisons. No profit just trading with the other prisons. Of course some liberal cocksucker will call it cruel and unusual punishment.  That's an interesting idea. Would give those coming back out into society a skill or two that they could apply into a job. You are right though. Liberals would call that cruel and unusual punishment AKA work. |
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We have a federal one right down the street. Been there for more than 20 years. Seems to work. So far not many issues. The whole federal system is a joke anyway. If an inmate wants to transfer out to another Federal institution, and they are a minimum level inmate, they get a bus ticket and two weeks to report. has that bus ticket thing led to many problems? |
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Quoted: Not a fan of introducing profit motive into correctional facilities. Seems like they would become self licking ice cream cones. |
| Didn't go well in Willacy County http://fusion.net/story/115888/texas-town-strikes-private-prison-deal-then-it-all-goes-wrong/ |
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How so? I voted pie because I know nothing of the matter. Quoted:
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It's been a disaster in Florida. How so? I voted pie because I know nothing of the matter. The state privatized their medical and dental services within the DOC. AS a result the state taxpayers are paying the same amount to a couple of private corporations that the state was paying for the same services. However, the state is also picking up the cost of pharmaceuticals. So the state was able to do it for the same amount including the cost of drugs, but a couple of private companies cannot do it for the same amount unless someone pays for the cost of drugs. The quality of care that the inmates receive has fallen and this has probably been the reason that the number of inmate deaths has increased during this time frame. Now the state taxpayers are on the hook for the legal cost that will occur as a result of this. Lastly, a lot of dentist and medical doctors left the DOC when privatization occurred because the private sector appeared more lucrative when one factored in the bullshit to salary ratio. No big deal you say, but there were several federal lawsuits regarding dental and medical wait times that the inmates filed. Yep, you guessed it the inmates won their lawsuit because they stated that waiting excessively for medical or dental care resulting in cruel and unusual punishment. So what happened, the state taxpayers were fined heavily for each institution that didn't have satisfactory wait times for medical and dental treatment. You cannot get those wait times down if you don't have a dentist(s) or doctor(s) on staff to treat patients. Now those very same private companies are going back and petitioning for more money from the state taxpayers. In short there really were no cost savings for the state taxpayers and they ended up paying more for a lesser quality service. |
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We privatized Red Light cameras.
RESULT: Billions of lobbying dollars spent to brow-beat state legislators into passing MORE RED LIGHT CAMERA laws. Then speed cameras too. Think about it: if you own a for-profit prison, you NEED as many "clients" as possible. So you spend some of your profit $$ on arresting and convicting as many people/clients as possible. An effective tool for doing that is also to make as many things illegal as possible. More crimes = more clients/criminals. Capitalism: this is one place it should not be applied. |
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I would like to see prisons become self supporting. Like raising their own food and trading with other prisons. No profit just trading with the other prisons. Of course some liberal cocksucker will call it cruel and unusual punishment. My parents both work at a level five state prison. Certain prisoners were allowed to start a garden. They were growing enough fresh vegetables and fruit to hand out with meals to all the prisoners. The company that supplied food to the prison stepped in and threw a fit that the garden food wasn't usda approved blah blah blah. Their bottom line was suffering from the prisoners being slightly self sufficient and they got it stopped. Now only the prisoners who work the garden and employees are allowed to eat veggies from it. Hundreds of pounds of fresh food ends up in the prison garden compost heap. |
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We have a federal one right down the street. Been there for more than 20 years. Seems to work. So far not many issues. The whole federal system is a joke anyway. If an inmate wants to transfer out to another Federal institution, and they are a minimum level inmate, they get a bus ticket and two weeks to report. has that bus ticket thing led to many problems? Sometimes, sometimes not. |
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The people making decisions regarding punishment and sentences of prisoners should be government types, the facilities themselves should be government facilities. But private industry should be contracted to handle a lot of the day-to-day ops a prison. Guards, maintenance, food service, med service... private companies could almost certainly get all of that done more efficiently. Yep. |
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While the theory of privatizing prisons is a good idea, real world problems make it a giant corruption time-bomb. Shit will get out of hand and it will get ugly. No private police and no private jails. Corruption happens in government ran prisons too. The sgt?. (Head guard) just got busted about a month ago in a state patrol drug sting. He was a black guy that lived in St. Louis and dressed like a ghetto thug in his personal time. The prison has been having a hell of a drug problem recently although all employees goes through a search before entering except for a handful of the top guys. This sgt. Was one of the lucky few exempt from searches.
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Not a fan of introducing profit motive into correctional facilities. Seems like they would become self licking ice cream cones. Yep. Legitimized coercion is the entire point of government. If they're not going to perform that, why bother even having them. |
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In a perfect world, sure should be ok, but we don't really live in a perfect world, do we? |
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Police, Corrections, EMS, and the military are essential services and should not in any way be for profit programs. If there is a budget issue then there is an issue. This is one of the things were government must run it and the tax payers must pay for it. Do you want your military to be for profit? |
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Not just no but hell no! To great of a chance for stuff like the PA kids for cash scandal. http://nypost.com/2014/02/23/film-details-teens-struggles-in-state-detention-in-payoff-scandal/ How many lives where ruined by the Judge? Just like the military, corrections is an inherently governmental role. These two institutions are the last things that should be privatised. |
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We privatized Red Light cameras. RESULT: Billions of lobbying dollars spent to brow-beat state legislators into passing MORE RED LIGHT CAMERA laws. Then speed cameras too. Think about it: if you own a for-profit prison, you NEED as many "clients" as possible. So you spend some of your profit $$ on arresting and convicting as many people/clients as possible. An effective tool for doing that is also to make as many things illegal as possible. More crimes = more clients/criminals. Capitalism: this is one place it should not be applied. exactly, empty cells don't pay a dividend. |