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8/13/2004 6:18:09 AM EDT
The same assflutes that didn't want you spanking your brats now needs help from "parents"

When I was in school we fucked around, but we knew our limits or else we'd get our asses handed to us via  paddle in the VP's office.

This whole nanny state bullshit is gonna bite them in the asses. In 10 years publick schools will be like scenes from Mad Max.
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Educators tackle classroom discipline
Karina Bland
The Arizona Republic
Aug. 13, 2004 12:00 AM


Schools have a grip on the most serious discipline problems like drugs and guns, what with police officers on many campuses and nearly universal zero-tolerance policies.

What's harder to handle are the minor distractions in class - the pencil tappers, hair pullers, loudmouths and latecomers, according to a report released in May just as most schools were letting out for the summer.



If you go
What: "I Can Do It!," a training in classroom management for teachers with five or fewer years of experience.
When: 8 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. Aug. 21. Additional classes will be offered.
Where: Evans Elementary School, 4525 S. College Ave., Tempe.
Cost: Free for Arizona Education Association members.
To register: (480) 892-4546.

School, interrupted
The number of students charged with school interference in Maricopa County Juvenile Court has more than doubled over a five-year period.

1999: 91
2000: 133
2001: 284
2002: 180
2003: 214

Source: Maricopa County Superior Court, 2003 Data Book

Ways parents can help teachers maintain discipline!in the classroom

• Set a good example. Parents are role models for kids.
• Set limits. Be careful not to impose too many rules; too many are hard to enforce.
• Keep rules simple and understandable with clear consequences if they are broken.
• Be consistent.
Involve children in making family rules. They are less likely to break rules they helped make.
• Act quickly when a child misbehaves. Tell a child about behavior that is annoying you or others. Don't let a problem fester.
• Be flexible. Some rules work when a child is young, but as children get older, they need and want more independence.
• Know and support the school's rules and code of conduct. Children should know that their parents expect them to follow school rules.
• View a discipline problem in school as a home problem, too. If your child's teacher reports a discipline problem, talk with your child and the teacher and work on a solution together.
• Praise a child for good behavior and accomplishments. Tell your children you love them. When they misbehave, tell them it's the behavior you dislike, not them.

Source: National PTA in Chicago at www.pta.org.


Smart-mouthed kids are quick to remind teachers that their parents can sue them.

Teachers complain that parents don't discipline their kids at home, yet expect them to do it in the classroom.

Administrators and school board members don't always back up teachers, giving in to loud and angry parents.

Now, with renewed vigor, Arizona schools are tackling the daily distractions that can disrupt an entire class, divert a teacher's attention, even drive them from the profession.

High-stakes testing and new national educational standards mean teachers can't afford to waste time trying to make one or two unruly students behave when the rest of the class has so much to learn.

In a first for Arizona, state Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Horne has appointed a deputy associate superintendent for discipline. And he has created a committee to study how to restore discipline to classrooms.

The Arizona Education Association, the state's teachers group, has gotten involved, launching a training program in classroom management. The AEA hopes to update teachers' arsenals for handling disruptive students.

Children's misbehavior hasn't changed so much over the years, AEA President Tom Wright said, though their attitudes toward teachers have. They are less respectful. He said he thinks the problem lies with parents.

"If you are a kid and you hear your parents at home questioning your teachers and the standards they expect, what on Earth is leading you to the understanding that you should respect that teacher?" Wright asked.

In the May 2004 report, "Teaching Interrupted," by Public Agenda, a New York-based non-profit, 82 percent of teachers and 74 percent of parents said parents' failure to discipline their children at home is part of the problem.

A third of teachers in the national report said they have seriously considered quitting or know a colleague who has left because student discipline has become intolerable.

"If the parents don't support the school, they convey the message to the kids that their actions at school don't have consequences," Horne said.

In April, Elizabeth Moore, a teacher at Trevor G. Browne High in west Phoenix, created a national stir by filing court papers accusing a student of unruly behavior. A Peoria justice of the peace barred the boy, 15, from having contact with Moore, in or out of school.


Kids in charge at home
Ken Freed, a teacher at Secrest Middle School in the south end of Tucson, has worked with at-risk kids for 15 years. He assumed they would be from split families, turbulent households, or poor.

That's sometimes true, but not always. He has had the children of school administrators and vice presidents of banks. Half are boys; half are girls. They all have one thing in common: They are in charge at home.

"They have no expectation that there are any consequences for their behavior," Freed said. "In their houses, they are the boss."

Nearly eight in 10 teachers in the Public Agenda report said students or parents have threatened legal action, making it hard for administrators to support teachers' efforts to crack down on bad behavior.

More than half of teachers in the report said discipline is undermined when school districts back down from aggressive parents, reversing suspensions or expulsions.

In his 24 years as a Paradise Valley school board member, Horne never overruled a teacher in a discipline matter.

"School boards have to be strong and not cave into that," he said, except in cases when it's clear a poor decision has been made.

The majority of parents want discipline in their kids' classrooms, Horne said. They see how one disruptive student can draw the teacher's attention from the rest of the class.

"Strong discipline in the classroom is crucial for academic achievement," he said.

Horne's new deputy associate superintendent for discipline is Ann Hart, formerly in health and nutrition services and dean of students at North High in Phoenix. She'll work to identify best practices for maintaining discipline.


Bring baggage to class
While the unruly behaviors have stayed much the same, children are coming to school with more complex problems than they did a decade ago, said Rosemary Gaona, a second-grade teacher at Tempe's Evans Elementary School and co-president of the district's teachers group.

"These children bring a lot of baggage with them to school, things that you wouldn't even realize that a little one is exposed to," said Gaona, a 30-year veteran.

She is one of 35 teachers who attended AEA's classroom management training. In turn, those teachers will train other teachers about how to handle disruptive students.

Gaona said the hardest part is trying to figure out why students are behaving badly. There's always a reason.

Their worries go beyond making new friends or finding their way to the cafeteria. "You have to be a little more receptive and understand that not every child has a perfect home," she said.

Gaona holds what she calls a "community circle," where she and her students share information about their lives. They get to know each other that way and then, when a problem does arise, a bond has already been established.

Across the state, schools are revising discipline policies and trying new strategies to get the kind of behavior they expect.

This year at Greenway High School in Phoenix, for example, students who don't make it to class on time find themselves locked out.

The tardy students then are "swept" into a classroom where they work quietly on subjects covered by state testing until their next class. They have to make up any missed work.

The goal is to get students to class on time.

Students bursting in late can throw off an entire class, said Jack Burton, Greenway's assistant principal for discipline and attendance. For teachers, "it's difficult to have to reteach what you just taught, and if the student missed 10 minutes, the teacher may have already set out the day's work," he said.

He said kids caught up in "sweeps" hurry to make sure it doesn't happen again, and schools have found that tardies drop dramatically.

That's because students rise to the expectations set for them, said Tucson's Freed, who teaches a small group of at-risk kids and supervises students given in-school suspension.

Freed requires his students score 80 percent to pass. If they don't, he returns their work and they redo it.

"Why should they choose to do anything but their best?" Freed asked.

About 80 percent of his students make honor roll while in his class.
8/13/2004 6:28:59 AM EDT
[#1]
In the spirit of survival of the fittest, we WOULD expect the public school system to become extinct, EXCEPT that gov't FORCES us to pay for keeping it on life support.

8/13/2004 6:41:19 AM EDT
[#2]
Re-institute corporal punishment, and use it.  Invoke immunity at the state level, tell the crackhead parents to fuck themselves.  One thing that DID keep me out of trouble was knowing the VP would bust my ass, that SOB would make you limp afterward.  Then I would get an equivalent asswhoopin at home.  So far I havent become a serial killer from the 'abuse'.

Edit:  Shit like this is why I intend to send my kids to private school.  Mad Max, indeed!
8/13/2004 6:44:13 AM EDT
[#3]
the school system with the help of dr spock are the cause of this
8/13/2004 6:48:13 AM EDT
[#4]


Set a good example. ParentsGOVT/Politicians areSHOULD BE role models for kidscitizens.
Set limits. Be careful not to impose too many rules; too many are hard to enforce.
Keep rules simple and understandable with clear consequences if they are broken.
Be consistent.
Involve children common sense in making family rules. They are less likely to break rules they helped make.can comprehend.



I think the govt should take a bit of advice here.

I for one would vote for whoever decided to put this policy into enforcement in govt.

Edited because I KNEW I would have to fix all that board code... doh.
8/13/2004 8:14:54 AM EDT
[#5]
If you discipline your children at home you are a child abuser, and the school system will report you to the "authorities" and you can go to jail and/or lose your kids.

If you don't discipline your children you are a bad parent, and you are responsible for your children's actions and should go to jail if the child commits a crime.

Sorry, I am so confused, I just can't figure it out.