Posted: 9/7/2010 7:38:12 AM EDT
| What is the most effective way to increase pull ups with out use of a pull up bar? Such as, what other exercises, preferably ones that do not require equipment, such as sit ups, push ups etc, help to build the same muscles as pull ups so as to increase your total pull up count? |
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I have looked all over the internet and it looks like Lat pulldowns, negatives, and pullups are about it. I did find one place saying if you didnt have a bar to get 2 4" c-clamps and use them as pullup handles. I know that pushups help because it uses the back muscles in stabilizing like planking would but I guess thats it.
Sorry I couldnt be more help. If someone found anything else, I would be interested in hearing that too. |
omg just fucking do pulls up for heavens sake! if you can do 4 do 4 and get some to help you do 4 more, lat pull downs 10+ reps and lots of fucking pull ups. KIMP go to cross fit . fucking com and learn how to kimp on a pull up it will help the deadhangs trust me i do 20 deadhang fucking usmc pull ups all day long and kimping when i practice helps builds 40+ pullups in a row which makes 20 dead hangs easy. fuking get on a bar and pull up! shit!
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omg just fucking do pulls up for heavens sake! if you can do 4 do 4 and get some to help you do 4 more, lat pull downs 10+ reps and lots of fucking pull ups. KIMP go to cross fit . fucking com and learn how to kimp on a pull up it will help the deadhangs trust me i do 20 deadhang fucking usmc pull ups all day long and kimping when i practice helps builds 40+ pullups in a row which makes 20 dead hangs easy. fuking get on a bar and pull up! shit!
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omg just fucking do pulls up for heavens sake! if you can do 4 do 4 and get some to help you do 4 more, lat pull downs 10+ reps and lots of fucking pull ups. KIMP go to cross fit . fucking com and learn how to kimp on a pull up it will help the deadhangs trust me i do 20 deadhang fucking usmc pull ups all day long and kimping when i practice helps builds 40+ pullups in a row which makes 20 dead hangs easy. fuking get on a bar and pull up! shit!
I remember when you could kip on a PFT, you could do the run and sit ups first and still max out on pull ups. Kipping will certainly involve more of the body (hips, core) into the effort, and is a more practical exercise than dead hangs. |
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Quoted: Quoted: omg just fucking do pulls up for heavens sake! if you can do 4 do 4 and get some to help you do 4 more, lat pull downs 10+ reps and lots of fucking pull ups. KIMP go to cross fit . fucking com and learn how to kimp on a pull up it will help the deadhangs trust me i do 20 deadhang fucking usmc pull ups all day long and kimping when i practice helps builds 40+ pullups in a row which makes 20 dead hangs easy. fuking get on a bar and pull up! shit! I remember when you could kip on a PFT, you could do the run and sit ups first and still max out on pull ups. Kipping will certainly involve more of the body (hips, core) into the effort, and is a more practical exercise than dead hangs. Getting rid of kipping certainly separated the men from the boys when it came to pullups. I could never kip right, so I was happy with the change. |
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Getting rid of kipping certainly separated the men from the boys when it came to pullups. I could never kip right, so I was happy with the change. +1 I actually think that learning how to do a "good" kipping pullup is harder than just going out and doing pullups. |
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omg just fucking do pulls up for heavens sake! if you can do 4 do 4 and get some to help you do 4 more, lat pull downs 10+ reps and lots of fucking pull ups. KIMP go to cross fit . fucking com and learn how to kimp on a pull up it will help the deadhangs trust me i do 20 deadhang fucking usmc pull ups all day long and kimping when i practice helps builds 40+ pullups in a row which makes 20 dead hangs easy. fuking get on a bar and pull up! shit!
Easy there, brother!!! Switch to decaf. 
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Well if they have them all over base just do them when ever you pass a set and your able to hop on and knock 5-10 real quick. Walking to the PX, just jump up an knock them out QFT and +1 on the weighted pullups also. use body armor if you don't have a weight vest |
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omg just fucking do pulls up for heavens sake! if you can do 4 do 4 and get some to help you do 4 more, lat pull downs 10+ reps and lots of fucking pull ups. KIMP go to cross fit . fucking com and learn how to kimp on a pull up it will help the deadhangs trust me i do 20 deadhang fucking usmc pull ups all day long and kimping when i practice helps builds 40+ pullups in a row which makes 20 dead hangs easy. fuking get on a bar and pull up! shit!
I remember when you could kip on a PFT, you could do the run and sit ups first and still max out on pull ups. Kipping will certainly involve more of the body (hips, core) into the effort, and is a more practical exercise than dead hangs. I would think that NOT kipping is more practical. If I think of most situations where I would want to pull myself up, I would most likely not have the space to kip. Think of hanging on a wall, or having a perilously dangerous fall beneath you. I for one would not want reliance on kipping in those situations. I think dead-hang pullups break down the exercise to the lowest common denominator of having a strong back. To each their own of course. |
| Having climbed an obstacle or two, I can tell you that putting your whole body into it is much more effective than trying to "dead hang" muscle yourself over. This is why kipping is popular with cross-fitters- (a) it works multiple muscle groups at once, particularly your core, and (b) it's more practical than a static deadhang. That said, I think that training for deadhangs, nothing beats deadhangs and variations adding weight. |
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27).
But all that aside, kipping, deadhang, what counts is just doing them...the stronger you get you won't need to kip. I look at kipping as you are not strong enough to just crank out 'real' pullups, you have to 'cheat' your way up. Which is what kipping really is, a cheating pullup and it has it's place, they all work together. |
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Quoted: Which Sailor?I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). |
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). Me
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). Me Petty Officer Squat Dog I presume? 
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). But all that aside, kipping, deadhang, what counts is just doing them...the stronger you get you won't need to kip. I look at kipping as you are not strong enough to just crank out 'real' pullups, you have to 'cheat' your way up. Which is what kipping really is, a cheating pullup and it has it's place, they all work together. Use of kipping PU's depends on the type of workout you are doing... In Crossfit we do both types. And, there are times that I have to do DH's due to the type of bar. Crossfit does Kipping PU's whenever a type of pullup is not specified. However, some will do DH's in leiu of the kips. |
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). But all that aside, kipping, deadhang, what counts is just doing them...the stronger you get you won't need to kip. I look at kipping as you are not strong enough to just crank out 'real' pullups, you have to 'cheat' your way up. Which is what kipping really is, a cheating pullup and it has it's place, they all work together. Lol. You're right that it has it's place, but saying it's cheating is just silly. When you lift, do you only lift heavy? Or sometimes do you do lower weight and higher reps? Pullups are the same. Anyone serious about pullups should be doing deadhangs, kipping and weighted. I always get a kick out of the guys who laugh at my unbroken set of 50 kipping pullups...when I can also do around 25-30 deadhangs and pull with 115# on a vest....all with a full range of motion of course. Trust me, it's not cheating anymore than a lower weight high rep bench press is...just another tool with a slightly different stimulis (endurance vs. strength). |
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). But all that aside, kipping, deadhang, what counts is just doing them...the stronger you get you won't need to kip. I look at kipping as you are not strong enough to just crank out 'real' pullups, you have to 'cheat' your way up. Which is what kipping really is, a cheating pullup and it has it's place, they all work together. Lol. You're right that it has it's place, but saying it's cheating is just silly. When you lift, do you only lift heavy? Or sometimes do you do lower weight and higher reps? Pullups are the same. Anyone serious about pullups should be doing deadhangs, kipping and weighted. I always get a kick out of the guys who laugh at my unbroken set of 50 kipping pullups...when I can also do around 25-30 deadhangs and pull with 115# on a vest....all with a full range of motion of course. Trust me, it's not cheating anymore than a lower weight high rep bench press is...just another tool with a slightly different stimulis (endurance vs. strength). Oh I agree, I Kip when I start to fatigue. Still cheating but like I said, has it's place. I do everything you posted, DH, Kipping and weighted. But I still consider Kipping a cheating pullup
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). But all that aside, kipping, deadhang, what counts is just doing them...the stronger you get you won't need to kip. I look at kipping as you are not strong enough to just crank out 'real' pullups, you have to 'cheat' your way up. Which is what kipping really is, a cheating pullup and it has it's place, they all work together. Lol. You're right that it has it's place, but saying it's cheating is just silly. When you lift, do you only lift heavy? Or sometimes do you do lower weight and higher reps? Pullups are the same. Anyone serious about pullups should be doing deadhangs, kipping and weighted. I always get a kick out of the guys who laugh at my unbroken set of 50 kipping pullups...when I can also do around 25-30 deadhangs and pull with 115# on a vest....all with a full range of motion of course. Trust me, it's not cheating anymore than a lower weight high rep bench press is...just another tool with a slightly different stimulis (endurance vs. strength). Oh I agree, I Kip when I start to fatigue. Still cheating but like I said, has it's place. I do everything you posted, DH, Kipping and weighted. But I still consider Kipping a cheating pullup Well..ok I guess. To me it's like saying a 400m sprint is cheating because it's not an 800m sprint... If you aren't running a PFT you aren't cheating. |
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). But all that aside, kipping, deadhang, what counts is just doing them...the stronger you get you won't need to kip. I look at kipping as you are not strong enough to just crank out 'real' pullups, you have to 'cheat' your way up. Which is what kipping really is, a cheating pullup and it has it's place, they all work together. Lol. You're right that it has it's place, but saying it's cheating is just silly. When you lift, do you only lift heavy? Or sometimes do you do lower weight and higher reps? Pullups are the same. Anyone serious about pullups should be doing deadhangs, kipping and weighted. I always get a kick out of the guys who laugh at my unbroken set of 50 kipping pullups...when I can also do around 25-30 deadhangs and pull with 115# on a vest....all with a full range of motion of course. Trust me, it's not cheating anymore than a lower weight high rep bench press is...just another tool with a slightly different stimulis (endurance vs. strength). Oh I agree, I Kip when I start to fatigue. Still cheating but like I said, has it's place. I do everything you posted, DH, Kipping and weighted. But I still consider Kipping a cheating pullup Well..ok I guess. To me it's like saying a 400m sprint is cheating because it's not an 800m sprint... If you aren't running a PFT you aren't cheating. Exactly! Lol anything less then a 4 mile time trial is for pussies! No I'm just kidding, I haven't run in 11 years. Injury that kept me from BUD/S. I did race bikes for a while, but I digress. I never said cheating was bad though, it is a valid training method that when combined with everything else leads to greater gains. |
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I tend to do about 50-60 pull ups a few times a week. |
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What if your a fat fuck like me and you want to start doing pull ups? Any advice? Get a pullup bar and start doing pull ups. Eventually you'll get stronger and stronger.  Thanks It is that simple. 2 things to get started, 1. Start chest to bar and lower yourself slowly. 2. use a chair to support your feet. As it get easier, move it further and further forward, shifting more weight to your arms. |
| straight arm pull downs, lat pull downs, pull overs, deadlift, swimming, boxing... but the best way to do it is to do pull ups. If you can't do one then lose weight and use the assisted pull up machine working towards using less weight until you can do them unassisted and go weighted. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: yeah, lack of a pull up bar. I mean, they have them all over base, but I wanted something I could do in the evening (I live off base) that I could do. You could go to Target and spend $34 on an Iron Gym..... You can get the exact same thing at Wal-Mart for 14 dollars. I use it and it's my absolute favorite piece of exercise equipment. I tend to do about 50-60 pull ups a few times a week. I swear I saw 'em on sale for ten bucks once. OP, go get one. Seriously. Then do Recon Ron - the Armstrong program allows for too much wiggle room. Start out on Recon Ron on whatever week starts with a number of pullups in the first set that is maybe 4 below your max. Then go week by week until you are failing, not once, but regularly, and hang out at that week until you can move forward again. I was stuck at 18 pullups for ages and Recon Ron got me maxed out. As far as starting pullups, the suggestions here are good - chair assist and negatives in particular. Once you can do a couple deadhangs, just keep doing deadhangs over and over. I think all I ever did was "regular old pullups" and I don't know if I could do 3 when I first started. I wish there was a clever answer but just doing 'em, but that's the easiest answer. If you're not sore, or if you can put up the exact same sets/time two days in a row, go harder. |
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27). Me Oh, so you're the One. |
| I just started doing pullups. I can do 18 chinups, but only ~5 pullups. I've been doing sets of 4. I do weighted chair dips and pushups, and they don't help with pullups at all. I'm getting close to 100 consecutive pushups, but can only do 5 measly pullups. The only thing that helps with pullups is pullups. |
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I used to love watching the marines (airwing so...) on my ship do there fake ass 'kipping' pullups. Hardly any range of motion...Then up comes the sailor with his full on deadhangs and double what they were doing, set after set after set after set.... (as in sets of 10-15 or up to max sets of 27).I Me Petty Officer Squat Dog I presume? I just got the reference lol. I was reading ARFCOM 101 haha, that's a good one. |
