[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Question about FDR (Page 1 of 7)
Posted: 3/10/2017 12:18:20 PM EDT
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Looking on Wiki, it seems FDR won a record 4 presidential elections, and was in office for 12 years from 1933 until his death in 1945
I assumed that he was President so long because it was inappropriate to have an election during wartime, but this doesn't appear to be the case, as he won his 3rd and 4th terms in 1940 and 1944. Was this the turning point that forced the change in your system to create a 2 Terms max role in office? |
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Looking on Wiki, it seems FDR won a record presidential elections, and was in office for 12 years from 1933 until his death in 1945 I assumed that he was President so long because it was inappropriate to have an election during wartime, but this doesn't appear to be the case, as he won his 3rd and 4th terms in 1940 and 1944. Was this the turning point that forced the change in your system to create a 2 Terms max role in office? The 22nd amendment that limited Presidential terms passed in 1947 |
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So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Quoted:
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Yes. Prior to FDR presidents would only hold the office for two terms due to the precedent set by George Washington. So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Correct. Of course, FFDR shit on most of the rest of the ideals of our Republic too, so it's not a huge surprise. 
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Yes. Prior to FDR presidents would only hold the office for two terms due to the precedent set by George Washington. Came to say this. Washington was a class act, every president after (until FDR) echoed that class. Until FDR, who thought he was above everything. If it was possible Jugears Stampyfeet would have run again. |
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So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Quoted:
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Yes. Prior to FDR presidents would only hold the office for two terms due to the precedent set by George Washington. So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Yes. Unlike modern office seekers today, Washington's mindset didn't include high political ambition. |
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He was also involved with a group that explored "Oak Island" in the early 1900's ............................... I have no idea what this is about Here you go ....................... |
| Roosevelt also planned to pack the SCOTUS to ensure it would rule favorably on New Deal/Social Security/National Labor Relations Act/etc. His idea was to expand the court with more seats, and add six of his own justices. The scheme was met with opposition even from within his own party. |
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Body wasn't even cold before that amendment got passed. We learned to not allow presidents to not amass that much power, but forgot about congress.  Lol what? Congress gives most of its power away to agencies and their retarded bureaucrats in the executive branch. |
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Lol what? Congress gives most of its power away to agencies and their retarded bureaucrats in the executive branch. Quoted:
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Body wasn't even cold before that amendment got passed. We learned to not allow presidents to not amass that much power, but forgot about congress. Lol what? Congress gives most of its power away to agencies and their retarded bureaucrats in the executive branch. Power is not what you think it is. McCain, Pelosi... No power? 
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So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Quoted:
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Yes. Prior to FDR presidents would only hold the office for two terms due to the precedent set by George Washington. So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? I wouldn't call it a precedent. It was a tradition. |
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Correct. Of course, FFDR shit on most of the rest of the ideals of our Republic too, so it's not a huge surprise. Quoted:
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Yes. Prior to FDR presidents would only hold the office for two terms due to the precedent set by George Washington. So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Correct. Of course, FFDR shit on most of the rest of the ideals of our Republic too, so it's not a huge surprise. He also stacked the Supreme Court. He was not getting the rulings he needed to institute his "New Deal" so he added Justices to the number we have now. Go read up on it. ETA: Mentioned above as well. |
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Correct. Of course, FFDR shit on most of the rest of the ideals of our Republic too, so it's not a huge surprise. Quoted:
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Yes. Prior to FDR presidents would only hold the office for two terms due to the precedent set by George Washington. So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Correct. Of course, FFDR shit on most of the rest of the ideals of our Republic too, so it's not a huge surprise. |
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Teddy Roosevelt tried to run for a third term in 1912, after his hand-picked successor, William Howard Taft, didn't live up to his expectations. The resulting 3-way split led to the election of Wilson.
Before the 22nd Amendment, even though, by tradition, presidents limited themselves to two terms, the mere fact that they could run for a third term gave them additional political clout in their second term. Now, any second-term president is a lame duck. He can be ignored by Congress with impunity, but he also has license to do irresponsible things without fearing political consequences. It's interesting that Obama began his push for gun control after being safely reelected to his second term. He no longer had any fear of political consequences. Therefore, I'm not sure that term-limiting a president is such a good idea. |
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Like most all of our SJW leftist, socialist politicians, government isn't something you do to serve the people then return to your life, it's a cash cow to be milked for as long as you can.
Any politician in office for more than ten or twelve years is a corrupt shit stain and needs to go away. |
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Read the fine print of the 22nd Amendment. There are ways by which a president could serve more than two terms, if he had the collusion of enough people. I believe we've discussed these far-fetched scenarios previously on GD.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. Notice that the Amendment says that a person cannot be elected president more than twice (or more than once if he previously acted as president for more than two years). It says nothing about serving as president more than twice. For example, his spouse could run for president for the third term (with him running for vice president). Then the spouse, if elected, could resign five minutes after being inaugurated, turning the presidency back to the former president. They could do this again for the fourth term. For the fifth term, etc., another family member or close associate could be recruited to act as the stand-in. Of course, this guy would have to be so popular that the voters would go along with it. But, theoretically, you could have a Russian-style "president for life." |
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Read the fine print of the 22nd Amendment. There are ways by which a president could serve more than two terms, if he had the collusion of enough people. I believe we've discussed these far-fetched scenarios previously on GD. Notice that the Amendment says that a person cannot be elected president more than twice (or more than once if he previously acted as president for more than two years). It says nothing about serving as president more than twice. For example, his spouse could run for president for the third term (with him running for vice president). Then the spouse, if elected, could resign five minutes after being inaugurated, turning the presidency back to the former president. They could do this again for the fourth term. For the fifth term, etc., another family member or close associate could be recruited to act as the stand-in. Of course, this guy would have to be so popular that the voters would go along with it. But, theoretically, you could have a Russian-style "president for life." Quoted:
Read the fine print of the 22nd Amendment. There are ways by which a president could serve more than two terms, if he had the collusion of enough people. I believe we've discussed these far-fetched scenarios previously on GD. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term. Notice that the Amendment says that a person cannot be elected president more than twice (or more than once if he previously acted as president for more than two years). It says nothing about serving as president more than twice. For example, his spouse could run for president for the third term (with him running for vice president). Then the spouse, if elected, could resign five minutes after being inaugurated, turning the presidency back to the former president. They could do this again for the fourth term. For the fifth term, etc., another family member or close associate could be recruited to act as the stand-in. Of course, this guy would have to be so popular that the voters would go along with it. But, theoretically, you could have a Russian-style "president for life." Correct me if I'm wrong here, (like GD wouldn't do that!) but I thought a 2-term president couldn't be on the ticket as VP. In order to be VP, you need to qualify for P. Otherwise, why was there no Clinton/Obama ticket this go-round? |
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Teddy Roosevelt tried to run for a third term in 1912, after his hand-picked successor, William Howard Taft, didn't live up to his expectations. The resulting 3-way split led to the election of Wilson. Before the 22nd Amendment, even though, by tradition, presidents limited themselves to two terms, the mere fact that they could run for a third term gave them additional political clout in their second term. Now, any second-term president is a lame duck. He can be ignored by Congress with impunity, but he also has license to do irresponsible things without fearing political consequences. It's interesting that Obama began his push for gun control after being safely reelected to his second term. He no longer had any fear of political consequences. Therefore, I'm not sure that term-limiting a president is such a good idea. Funny how seldom the term "lame duck" was so sparingly used in the media on Obama's second term. Even though the opposition party held both bodies of congress. |
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like every other socialist dictator in WW2, he left office toes first. FUck FDR. Even Polio ain't all bad. Cawk still works  FDR American Badass! OFFICIAL REDBAND TRAILER |
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fucker was a tyrant, yet history books beatify him. It seems possible that you have this exactly backwards. He was ELECTED four times, he was loved at the time and remains one of the most popular and successful Presidents of all time. History books are not inventing or rewriting history, talk radio pundits are. |
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Correct. Of course, FFDR shit on most of the rest of the ideals of our Republic too, so it's not a huge surprise. Quoted:
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Yes. Prior to FDR presidents would only hold the office for two terms due to the precedent set by George Washington. So it was a precedent and not a legal ruling, and FDR ignored it? Correct. Of course, FFDR shit on most of the rest of the ideals of our Republic too, so it's not a huge surprise. We passed the 22nd because of FFDR. Before that it wasn't necessary |