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11/7/2009 10:51:56 AM EDT
So I talked to an Army NG recruiter today.  I'll graduate with a BS this spring.  He said if I enlist all I'll have to do for OCS is enlist like normal and put in a packet after I finish AIT.  He said that I wouldn't have a problem getting into OCS even though my gpa isn't so good (2.34) and that would just affect the job I can get after commissioning.  I always thought just getting in to OCS was fairly difficult/competitive.  Does anyone know anything about this or could direct to some info about it?  I'm meeting with him and an officer who will know more about it Monday.  Also does anyone have any experience with or info about the NG's "active first" program?

Thanks guys!
11/7/2009 11:44:49 AM EDT
[#1]
There is a commissioning path called college ops in which you enlist, do the 8 weeks of basic, then go straight into OCS with no AIT involved.  I have NEVER heard of college GPA affecting what branch you can get get out of OCS.  AFAIK your branch is based upon your OCS OML.
11/7/2009 11:47:10 AM EDT
[#2]
hammer drill
11/7/2009 11:47:47 AM EDT
[#3]
and 1 to the head
11/7/2009 11:51:19 AM EDT
[#4]
Get a better recruiter. Sign an OCS contract. Got the j grips I assume?
11/7/2009 12:10:03 PM EDT
[#5]
Talk to an officer strength manager for your state. You can enlist on a O9S contract, go to boot and then either state or federal ocs.

Don't listen to the recruiter, he is only trying to help himself.
11/7/2009 1:16:21 PM EDT
[#6]
check out armyocs.com, lots of good info there.
11/7/2009 1:56:56 PM EDT
[#7]
NG OCS is a bit different, too.  Some states will only send you to the 18 month traditional course.  It's weekends and summers.  Some use an accelerated program and then a few use the Federal program.

If you enlist without an O9S contract then you will need to get in to OCS after that point, something which is harder to do than simply applying from the outside.

11/7/2009 5:14:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Thanks guys, I'll mention the O9s contract on monday.  I really don't think my recruiter is trying to screw me.  Although, I do tend to be a very trusting person...  

Quoted:
Get a better recruiter. Sign an OCS contract. Got the j grips I assume?


I did, thanks!    They beat the crap out of the stock skinny wood grips that I had on there.

11/7/2009 5:21:32 PM EDT
[#9]
Your recruiter doesn't know what he is talking about. You need to get OCS in your contract. If you get talked into going to AIT and trying to apply for OCS down the road it could be years before you actually get to go. Like previously mentioned it is much easier to get into OCS straight off the street than when you are already in the military.

Get a better recruiter and do your own research.


College Option OCS Grad
11/7/2009 6:20:44 PM EDT
[#10]




Quoted:

So I talked to an Army NG recruiter today. I'll graduate with a BS this spring. He said if I enlist all I'll have to do for OCS is enlist like normal and put in a packet after I finish AIT. He said that I wouldn't have a problem getting into OCS even though my gpa isn't so good (2.34) and that would just affect the job I can get after commissioning. I always thought just getting in to OCS was fairly difficult/competitive. Does anyone know anything about this or could direct to some info about it? I'm meeting with him and an officer who will know more about it Monday. Also does anyone have any experience with or info about the NG's "active first" program?



Thanks guys!




This is because by him getting you to enlist as enlisted he gets credit for the contract (ie... YOU) vs. you going to an Officer Recruiter. He doesn't get credit and still has to find a body to "Put in Boots". You a are just additional paperwork and hassle for him if you got the officer route.



Not trying to talk you out of NG, but have you looked at Army Reserves? State Commission vs. Federal Commission.



Several years ago there was a split in jobs, some went to NG, some went to Army Reserves.

Really depends on what you want to be. Both NG and AR each have advantages and disadvantages over each other. Just wiegh each to determine which is best for you.



Depending on what your degree is in, you may actually be able to "Fast Track" with a Direct Commission. Limited opportunities for this, but is a possibility. Do your research.
11/8/2009 3:41:18 AM EDT
[#11]
NG is a federal commission.
11/8/2009 6:17:12 AM EDT
[#12]




Quoted:

NG is a federal commission.


Unless something has changed since I was "putting them in boots". that is not a 100%.



Some State Commissions are also Federal, but not always.

It has to do with the length of the "Commissioning Course".



11/8/2009 8:51:15 AM EDT
[#13]
As long as it is a TRADOC approved POI then it is a Federal commission. I heard that were states that have lost their ability to commission in the past, but I dont know what the current status of those are. Best way to find out is to contact your states OCS regimental HQ.
11/8/2009 9:23:47 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
As long as it is a TRADOC approved POI then it is a Federal commission. I heard that were states that have lost their ability to commission in the past, but I dont know what the current status of those are. Best way to find out is to contact your states OCS regimental HQ.


AFAIK all states currently can grant federal commissions after giving the approved course. Their courses are kept on the level due to the Federal OCS Commandant @ Fort Benning spending lots of time TDY certifying those programs.
11/9/2009 2:50:06 PM EDT
[#15]
So I talked with my recruiter and another recruiter who was there today.  He said I could do the O9S and that would be fine.  If I went through AIT and then went in to OCS I would get half an enlistment bonus and student loan repayment, which I wouldn't get if I went 09S.  Has anyone done OCS after being enlisted?  I'm contacting Army reserve, Active Army, and Airforce so we'll see about that.  Thanks for your help guys!
11/9/2009 3:08:44 PM EDT
[#16]
PM me your phone number and when you can answer it, I will call you directly and get you squared away.

$65,000 student loan repayment is the main carrot in this one.
11/9/2009 4:04:09 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
PM me your phone number and when you can answer it, I will call you directly and get you squared away.

$65,000 student loan repayment is the main carrot in this one.


Thanks Jack, PM Sent