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9/26/2006 3:00:44 PM EDT
Are power lines insulated? If they are, why do people get electrocuted when they touch one? If not, why not?
9/26/2006 3:07:36 PM EDT
[#1]
Powerlines are not insulated, to save weight.
9/26/2006 3:09:17 PM EDT
[#2]
A lot of them are insulated, but the insulation does not hold up well being exposed to the weather 24/7.

9/26/2006 3:10:12 PM EDT
[#3]
You have to be grounded ( complete a electrical transmission)  to be electrified

Thats why birds land on them and they don't get the juice unless they touch a ground wire or some such ground.
9/26/2006 3:10:24 PM EDT
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9/26/2006 3:10:29 PM EDT
[#5]
Usually what you are seeing is a sheathing meant to prevent environmental corrosion on the wire. Generally speaking (for lines carrying >300V, anyway) the main insulating medium is air. You can get electrocuted from a 14-kV line from several feet away.
9/26/2006 3:13:54 PM EDT
[#6]
You touch, you become path to ground, you fry and you will hope you die. Ever seen a joint blown inside out and cooked? Not pretty. Yes to save weight, but also to let them cool faster. They heat up they stretch and droop. Transmission lines, neverr insulated, primary never, secondary, SOME older ones. House drops, sometimes yes and sometimes no.

Underground lines are of course insulated but cannot carry the load that an overhead line can, size for size and are much more expensive to make, put in, and find problems later on.
9/26/2006 3:18:02 PM EDT
[#7]
I saw a bumper sticker on a lineman's pickup truck that read:

"If it's not grounded, it's not dead!"
9/26/2006 6:12:59 PM EDT
[#8]
I could give you the safe clearance distances for any voltage level, but I think I won't.  Someone might have a beer holding moment and screw up my day.

The bumper sticker someone saw is SOP.

Air is actually a fairly good insulator, until you fill it with something else more conductive, like smoke, water, or a body.
9/26/2006 6:17:13 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
I could give you the safe clearance distances for any voltage level, but I think I won't.  Someone might have a beer holding moment and screw up my day.

The bumper sticker someone saw is SOP.

Air is actually a fairly good insulator, until you fill it with something else more conductive, like smoke, water, or a body.
Air only has a dielectric of 1.  How good an insulator could it possibly be?
9/26/2006 6:21:14 PM EDT
[#10]

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Powerlines are not insulated, to save weight.
Yes , that's partially true . But cost , and space are also factors .  It's cheaper and easier to hang the lines on tall structures and hope to hell that they never fall down . When they do , that's where my job comes in . Protective Relaying . Trip out the smallest possible section of line , as quickly as you can .
9/26/2006 6:22:50 PM EDT
[#11]

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Powerlines are not insulated, to save weight.



& heat build up
9/26/2006 6:31:06 PM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:

    Air only has a dielectric of 1.  How good an insulator could it possibly be?


9/26/2006 6:35:13 PM EDT
[#13]
guy here local in cincinnati flew his ultralight into high tension lines last week, and hung for 8 hours while they de-energized the lines and then cut him down.  He never made connection to ground (or another wire) while he was hanging, so aside from the retracted testicals, he was okay.
9/26/2006 6:48:40 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
You have to be grounded ( complete a electrical transmission)  to be electrified

Thats why birds land on them and they don't get the juice unless they touch a ground wire or some such ground.


Or another hot leg
9/27/2006 6:41:31 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I could give you the safe clearance distances for any voltage level, but I think I won't.  Someone might have a beer holding moment and screw up my day.

The bumper sticker someone saw is SOP.

Air is actually a fairly good insulator, until you fill it with something else more conductive, like smoke, water, or a body.
Air only has a dielectric of 1.  How good an insulator could it possibly be?


Look at it from a cost/benefit perspective.    It is all about the money.

(The was for me, for thinking we were discussing powerlines)
9/27/2006 6:51:04 AM EDT
[#16]
"Air only has a dielectric of 1. How good an insulator could it possibly be?"

Wrong parameter.
Dielectric is for computing capacitance.
The dialectric breakdown strength of air is about 30 kV/cm.
9/27/2006 1:13:21 PM EDT
[#17]
 If your asking if powerlines are insulated, I'm very worried.

 Check this out...this is how far electricity can arc.
 

 Link
 
9/27/2006 1:21:47 PM EDT
[#18]
Page o' arcs and sparks
9/27/2006 1:34:00 PM EDT
[#19]
There are some primary lines 2400V up to 14400V that are insulated.  Specially made for tree contact, very close spacing. Brand name or common known name is Hendrix Cable.  

The secondary that we use (120V & 480V) is all insulated.  Only the neutral wire is bare.  

Air is not an insulator, we use a standard for seperation of wires, that being

15" of air
18" of fiberglass
30" of wood

Wood is not a very good conductor.  Just try getting it wet.  Course the old timers use to use a lot of wood sticked tools to do line work.

And if you see any wires in the air or on the ground, do not touch regardless, call your local utility or 911 report it as a wire down.

120V can kill, not likely but it can.  And those wires that carry 120V normally can become energized at higher voltages.



9/27/2006 1:40:15 PM EDT
[#20]
I surrender.  I guess interior wiring, local distribution circuits, and 'powerlines' are the same thing.

Oh, and 'volts' don't kill, amperage does.  As in about 0.1A.  Example - ever been tasered?  Lots of volts, very low amperage.  But, with power circuits, you have to keep Ohm's Law in mind.  At the fault, volts are low, amps are high.  Bad juju.  This ignores arc formation.  Plasma is, of course, really effing hot.

Now I will re-institute my private rule, and cease talking about work with anyone I don't work with.

(I'll make an exception for djohns6 , as he said some of the magic words.  I'm sure he knows exactly what an SEL-21 is, or what any of the following numbers mean, 50, 50N, 51, 51N, 67, or acronyms SPCU, DCB, DCUB, PUTT, POTT, and, most importantly, what a reverse-looking Zone 3 is normally used for, etc. Not to mention B/U relaying, B/F relaying (yep, a type of B/U), and 87B, 87G, which usually operate an associated 86, and the normal reach of Zone 1, 2, and 3. We could have some fun explaining Vars, skin effect, and the travelling wave thing)..  
9/27/2006 1:52:11 PM EDT
[#21]
 Alot of people think a car battery can't hurt you because its 12Volts DC.  But it can deliver lots of amps, and the arc can literally cook you.  Imagine grabbing the tip of an arc welder.
9/27/2006 2:58:18 PM EDT
[#22]

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I surrender.  I guess interior wiring, local distribution circuits, and 'powerlines' are the same thing.

Oh, and 'volts' don't kill, amperage does.  As in about 0.1A.  Example - ever been tasered?  Lots of volts, very low amperage.  But, with power circuits, you have to keep Ohm's Law in mind.  At the fault, volts are low, amps are high.  Bad juju.  This ignores arc formation.  Plasma is, of course, really effing hot.

Now I will re-institute my private rule, and cease talking about work with anyone I don't work with.

(I'll make an exception for djohns6 , as he said some of the magic words.  I'm sure he knows exactly what an SEL-21 is, or what any of the following numbers mean, 50, 50N, 51, 51N, 67, or acronyms SPCU, DCB, DCUB, PUTT, POTT, and, most importantly, what a reverse-looking Zone 3 is normally used for, etc. Not to mention B/U relaying, B/F relaying (yep, a type of B/U), and 87B, 87G, which usually operate an associated 86, and the normal reach of Zone 1, 2, and 3. We could have some fun explaining Vars, skin effect, and the travelling wave thing)..  
Yes sir . you'r talking my language . Messed around with an SEL 351R today as a matter of fact . Wrong logic settings . And don't EVER mention BFBU in my presence . It's how every Relayman " gets famous " .  
9/27/2006 3:01:35 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I surrender.  I guess interior wiring, local distribution circuits, and 'powerlines' are the same thing.

Oh, and 'volts' don't kill, amperage does.  As in about 0.1A.  Example - ever been tasered?  Lots of volts, very low amperage.  But, with power circuits, you have to keep Ohm's Law in mind.  At the fault, volts are low, amps are high.  Bad juju.  This ignores arc formation.  Plasma is, of course, really effing hot.

Now I will re-institute my private rule, and cease talking about work with anyone I don't work with.

(I'll make an exception for djohns6 , as he said some of the magic words.  I'm sure he knows exactly what an SEL-21 is, or what any of the following numbers mean, 50, 50N, 51, 51N, 67, or acronyms SPCU, DCB, DCUB, PUTT, POTT, and, most importantly, what a reverse-looking Zone 3 is normally used for, etc. Not to mention B/U relaying, B/F relaying (yep, a type of B/U), and 87B, 87G, which usually operate an associated 86, and the normal reach of Zone 1, 2, and 3. We could have some fun explaining Vars, skin effect, and the travelling wave thing)..  
Yes sir . you'r talking my language . Messed around with an SEL 351R today as a matter of fact . Wrong logic settings . And don't EVER mention BFBU in my presence . It's how every Relayman " gets famous " .  


Just keep your tweaker in your pocket!  You guys can absolutely ruin my day.  OTOH, you can make life exceedingly easy, too.  Timing is, after all, everything. I've been a fan of SEL for a long time.  I particularly like the remote interrogation capability on the stuff we use.
9/27/2006 3:02:09 PM EDT
[#24]

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Page o' arcs and sparks


Wow!   Thank you!

Brother in law is a linesman.  I always figured he was just exagerating about some of the big plasma balls that he has seen.