Posted: 5/30/2015 9:44:07 AM EDT
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my FFL has informed me that the ATF changed the rule on
transfer of guns. in that all transfer from out of state must come from an FFL to FFL. can anyone confirm this.? i ask another FFL and he told me he had to look into it. going to call a couple more and ask. thank |
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Quoted: Sounds like typical FFL bullshit. Not a FFL, and I'm sure one the resident ones will show up to confirm. Quoted: Quoted: I haven't heard of any changes. Sounds like a BS rule the FFL pulled out of his ass. Sounds like typical FFL bullshit. Not a FFL, and I'm sure one the resident ones will show up to confirm. I am an FFL, and there has been no mention on any of the FFL forums of the supposed rule change. |
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Total BS...
Kind of like a friend of mine who paid a local FFL to handle a transfer for him, cost $20. He paid the out of state seller for the gun (through Gunbroker)...seller sent the gun (P220) to the local FFL...he went to pick up the gun and THEN the FFL told him that he had to "book the gun into his inventory and THEN sell it to him" (gun was already paid for) and thus was subject to "sales tax" (another $50 on top of the agreed $20 for a total of $70) Word got around fast about the ass-clown FFL. He wasn't in business very long. 
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I'm a licensee and have not heard of such a change in the regulations.
That said, it is usually far less expensive to have a licensee handle shipments of handguns be cause of the cost to a non-licensee of shipping a handgun via FEDEX or UPS priority overnight service. Licensees can ship via USPS Priority Mail for about 1/4 the FEDEX or UPS fee. Also, some licensees do not accept shipments from non-licensees. That is their decision, not a regulatory requirement. |
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I haven't heard of any changes. Sounds like a BS rule the FFL pulled out of his ass. ETA: There are several FFLs who will not accept transfers from individuals even though it is legal. He may be using that "rule" as an excuse. +1 The FFL I use wants FFL to FFL. I don't think it's an unreasonable request. |
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+1 The FFL I use wants FFL to FFL. I don't think it's an unreasonable request. Quoted:
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I haven't heard of any changes. Sounds like a BS rule the FFL pulled out of his ass. ETA: There are several FFLs who will not accept transfers from individuals even though it is legal. He may be using that "rule" as an excuse. +1 The FFL I use wants FFL to FFL. I don't think it's an unreasonable request. Yep. It's annoying sometimes, but I understand. A local shop starting to only do FFL to FFL transfers after being the go to place in the DC area for transfers for several years. Changed the policy to slow down the number of transfers because it was getting in the way of processing sales to their customers buying from their in stock items. They also apparently got a lot of crazy shit sent to them by idiots for transfer.. like unregistered SBRs that they would immediately hand over to the ATF to cover their own asses, leaving the customers pretty screwed. Shitty situation for them to find themselves in. |
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In before the Arfcom FFL's, w the lecture throw down on why this is good! Find another FFL! A good one will at most ask for a copy of your DL, or ID! From what I know, this is an inside ruling they have been pushing for years. During the last few years they(BATF) have really been breaking balls over it! Some FFL's comply, and then some! Others not so much. |
| Some states may have such a requirement, but as said, there is nothing federally that prevents an FFL from receiving a shipment from an individual. Again, as already mentioned, most FFLs want a copy of the shippers DL or similar for their records as a CYA measure (and if it came from a FFL, they would be getting a copy of the sending FFL). |
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Thanks for the replys i have a call into an FFL that i used to us alot but he moved to a different area of my state. What state New York for now i have been using this FFl for over a year after my other moved out of the area. and he did serveral transfers that are from individual. and the last 2 he says have to come from an FFL said it was a new ATF rule. cost in minimum for a transfer. my issues is it adds to the deal if someone has to ship from an FFL so a 400 gun now becomes a 500 guns with all fees. |
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From what I know, this is an inside ruling they have been pushing for years. During the last few years they(BATF) have really been breaking balls over it! Some FFL's comply, and then some! Others not so much. I am an FFL. We've had three compliance inspections since 2007. Our auditor has never brought this up. This ruling must be so uber-super-secret that even the FFL's aren't being told about it. 
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New York for now i have been using this FFl for over a year after my other moved out of the area. and he did serveral transfers that are from individual. and the last 2 he says have to come from an FFL said it was a new ATF rule. cost in minimum for a transfer. my issues is it adds to the deal if someone has to ship from an FFL so a 400 gun now becomes a 500 guns with all fees. Is he saying this for long guns or handguns? The NYSP watch us NY FFLs like a hawk and like to bluster that guns need to come from another FFL and that they'll arrest any FFL who transfers a gun that's later found to be stolen if it didn't come from an FFL at the sending end Given that I can see why he is insisting on an FFL at the sending end if its a handgun. |
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Is he saying this for long guns or handguns? The NYSP watch us NY FFLs like a hawk and like to bluster that guns need to come from another FFL and that they'll arrest any FFL who transfers a gun that's later found to be stolen if it didn't come from an FFL at the sending end Given that I can see why he is insisting on an FFL at the sending end if its a handgun. Quoted:
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New York for now i have been using this FFl for over a year after my other moved out of the area. and he did serveral transfers that are from individual. and the last 2 he says have to come from an FFL said it was a new ATF rule. cost in minimum for a transfer. my issues is it adds to the deal if someone has to ship from an FFL so a 400 gun now becomes a 500 guns with all fees. Is he saying this for long guns or handguns? The NYSP watch us NY FFLs like a hawk and like to bluster that guns need to come from another FFL and that they'll arrest any FFL who transfers a gun that's later found to be stolen if it didn't come from an FFL at the sending end Given that I can see why he is insisting on an FFL at the sending end if its a handgun. he said all gun transfers. i did talk to my other FFL that moved away and he said there is no state law but ATF does STRONGLY ADVISE that all tranfers come from and FFL it ads to the cost of a guns sale. if i sell a gun i have to take that into account as well as if i purchase one. |
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Is he saying this for long guns or handguns? The NYSP watch us NY FFLs like a hawk and like to bluster that guns need to come from another FFL and that they'll arrest any FFL who transfers a gun that's later found to be stolen if it didn't come from an FFL at the sending end Given that I can see why he is insisting on an FFL at the sending end if its a handgun. Quoted:
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New York for now i have been using this FFl for over a year after my other moved out of the area. and he did serveral transfers that are from individual. and the last 2 he says have to come from an FFL said it was a new ATF rule. cost in minimum for a transfer. my issues is it adds to the deal if someone has to ship from an FFL so a 400 gun now becomes a 500 guns with all fees. Is he saying this for long guns or handguns? The NYSP watch us NY FFLs like a hawk and like to bluster that guns need to come from another FFL and that they'll arrest any FFL who transfers a gun that's later found to be stolen if it didn't come from an FFL at the sending end Given that I can see why he is insisting on an FFL at the sending end if its a handgun. he said all gun transfers. i did talk to my other FFL that moved away and he said there is no state law but ATF does STRONGLY ADVISE that all tranfers come from and FFL it ads to the cost of a guns sale. if i sell a gun i have to take that into account as well as if i purchase one. |
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a quick update to my post i spoke with another FFL dealer in my state and he said that he to received a letter from the ATF that said all transfers are strongly recommend to come from and FFL When did he receive this letter? Unless things have changed in the last 2 years.... " FFLs may receive firearms from anyone in any state" doesn't sound like what you report https://www.atf.gov/file/56331/download |
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my FFL has informed me that the ATF changed the rule on transfer of guns. in that all transfer from out of state must come from an FFL to FFL. can anyone confirm this.? i ask another FFL and he told me he had to look into it. going to call a couple more and ask. thank He lied! |
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When did he receive this letter? Unless things have changed in the last 2 years.... " FFLs may receive firearms from anyone in any state" doesn't sound like what you report https://www.atf.gov/file/56331/download Quoted:
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a quick update to my post i spoke with another FFL dealer in my state and he said that he to received a letter from the ATF that said all transfers are strongly recommend to come from and FFL When did he receive this letter? Unless things have changed in the last 2 years.... " FFLs may receive firearms from anyone in any state" doesn't sound like what you report https://www.atf.gov/file/56331/download he told me he just did his renewal in march and got the letter in April. |
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Quoted: Is he saying this for long guns or handguns? The NYSP watch us NY FFLs like a hawk and like to bluster that guns need to come from another FFL and that they'll arrest any FFL who transfers a gun that's later found to be stolen if it didn't come from an FFL at the sending end Given that I can see why he is insisting on an FFL at the sending end if its a handgun. Do most know it's not federal law and just say that as an easy out? |
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Do most know it's not federal law and just say that as an easy out? Many FFL's have made the business decision not to accept shipments from non-licensees. Blaming the ATF/federal laws/insurance company/etc. is easier than explaining to customers that shipments from non-licensees are most likely to be screwed up and thus will take more time and effort to process than the ones that come from FFL's. |
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my FFL has informed me that the ATF changed the rule on transfer of guns. in that all transfer from out of state must come from an FFL to FFL. can anyone confirm this.? i ask another FFL and he told me he had to look into it. going to call a couple more and ask. thank Nope, your FFL just doesn't want to receive from an individual. No changes from ATF. |
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... most FFLs want a copy of the shippers DL or similar for their records as a CYA measure... This is usually the reason FFLs switch to the FFL-to-FFL "rule". A lot of dipshits don't send their DL information with the firearm. Logging it into the books is difficult that way. If it happens enough, FFLs stop taking transfers from unlicensed individuals. Further, individuals don't include who the firearm is for on the receiving end, as if the FFL doesn't have a larger number of transfers to deal with. So the firearm comes to the FFL with no indication of the source and no indication of the destination. The FFL can't call the receiving customer to come and get it, so it just sits there until the customer checks on it. |
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a quick update to my post i spoke with another FFL dealer in my state and he said that he to received a letter from the ATF that said all transfers are strongly recommend to come from and FFL "strongly recommend" and a legal requirement are not the same thing. There ise another reason licensees prefer getting handgun shipments from another licensee as opposed to getting it from an individual: it protects the buyer, who is the licensee's customer. Remember, the licensee's customer is NOT the individual shipping the gun. The licensee's customer is the bloke who purchased it and arranged from the shipment to come to that licensee. It the shipment is done illegally (e.g., a non-licensee ships a handgun via the US Mail, a felony under 18 USC 1715) or in violation of the contract carrier's tariff (e.g., via UPS ground, claiming it is "machine parts") it is the licensee's customer who stands to loose their money (in the case of a gun damaged in a shipment that violated the carrier's tariff-even if insured) or have the gun held as evidence until such time the Postal Inspectors are done with it. |