[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Question for Jews... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/25/2004 7:02:57 PM EDT
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Excuse my ignorance...but why don't Jews believe that Jesus is the Son of God? And please...let's keep this civil. I just want to learn from people with REAL knowledge on the sudject. SGatr15 |
Not exactly. Jews (and Muslims--here's probably the only thing they agree on) believe Jesus to be just another prophet, not the Son of God. From conversations I've had with Jews on this subject, they believe the Messiah to be of supernatural, rather than earthly, origins, which would obviously disqualify Jesus. Another stumbling block is the "back to basics" nature of Jesus. The Jews believe the Messiah will come wrapped in the Glory of God, not born in a cave in Bethlehem to a simple carpenter and his wife. ETA: I've met a couple of Jews for Jesus, but for the life of me can't remember what they believed that was different from Christianity. I think it had something to do with the fact that they think he is the Messiah, but NOT the Son of God--and yes, there is a difference. |
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According to my Jewish friend they felt that if Jesus really was a messiah, there'd be alot of Jewish philosophers with nothing to philosophize about. Also due to Roman dictatorship thousands upon thousands of Jews would have been slaughtered due to religious politics. How dare the Jews believe in Jesus!...disgusting by Roman standards. |
I think "Jews For Jesus" technically qualify as Christians. |
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More interesting was that Marco Polo had some Rabbis and Jews with him when he went to China. Now there is a small pocket of Jewish Chinese! Not to mention the Ethiopians. Its kind of cool to see an artillery crew with 5 white Jews and 1 black Jews in the IDF. The Jews for Jesus are actual Jews. They just chose to believe that Jesus was indeed the Messiah. Like a lot of Christian groups, its a small offshoot. |
wrong.  (Jews agree with muslims on MANY things. This is not one of them.)
a little wrong (Messiah is a person, born of this world.)
DEAD wrong  (Sorry buddy.... but no) |
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this is gonna get nasty soon. Jews for Jesus are christain missionaries plain and simple. They are jews who have converted to christianity and in a weak and feeble attempt to lure others, they try and portend that you can still be Jewish and believe Jesus to be God/Messiah. Which you cannot. Rule 1: there is but one indivisible G-d. (there are twelve other rules, set down by Maimonides that will truly answer sgtar's question...) |
| I wish topics like this would not degenerate. I find this kind of stuff very interesting. Youre never too old to learn things especially about other religions and cultures. I guess thats why I enjoy watching the History channel and Discovery. I think we have a lot to share and learn from the members here. |
Well c'mon now, you've commented on everyone else's post. You seem to be the authority here so please enlighten us. |
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Plain and simple....Part of God's plan....but the Jews of that day and time had always expected a King like David. They saw their messiah as someone who would "free" them in the flesh. ie....from the likes of Pharoh or from the King of Babylon. They Weren't expecting a Heavenly King. The concept of the Shema was driven into their head to the point that God appearing in the Flesh was unthinkable. It's just not who they were expecting. But then again, an astute student of the Tenakh would know that the Word of God predicted that the "most valuable stone of all, the corner stone, would be rejected." Listen, it's all part of God's plan. The Jews were chosen for three very good reasons: 1: Through His people (and they are still His people-unlike some believe) would come the prohpets 2: Through His people would come Messiah for all the world (for all those that would dismiss the Jews we would have no Messiah without them) 3: And Through His people He will show His mercy. He promised that they would be His people FOREVER.....Trust me, they will come back to Him.....read revelation. God doesn't lie.....bible says so. So in closing, they DO.....or more appropiately.....they WILL.....believe. Until then do as God commanded and Love them and pray for them....."I will bless those that bless you, and curse those that curse you." --GOD |
EDIT: see below - this present post was a tangent, the cut and paste below answers the original question.
disclaimer: not my text, not my words,,,, it just seemed to be a good starter to the thirteen principles. |
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this DIRECTLY answers your question. Aish Hatorah has been answerring your question for jews and non jews alike - for decades:
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Agreed. And if I can't ask here....then where? Sgat1r5 |
| See, we can all learn something! Even in a civilized way. I dated a nice Jewish girl from Queens no less. He family was nuts but familiar. Then I realized her mother was the same as mine. So I didnt ask her to get married. A lot of the values were the same but so was the nagging. Holy shit, I grew up and happy to get out of my house then I am knee deep in it again. |
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I just struck it all out (sorry!) cause I thought it answered a tangent. Maimonides was THE MAN. If Moses was Bill Russel, then Maimonides was Michael Jordan. There is a saying like, "there was none from moses to moses" (maimonides name was Moses too). HE set down these principlesto answer all these questions, really re: jesus mohammed and his point was basically, 'there is nothing new under the sun'. no new religion, no new god, no new bible, etc...... he was not only the jewish leader of the time, but he was the personal physician to the emporer (ottoman, i think?????? maybe spain) a BIG philospher as well..... www.thirteen.org/heritagedvd/ej_1.html |
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Monotheism. You can't be a jew and believe in Jesus. Shema Israel Adonai Elohano Adonai ehud. Hear o Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One. not three. Plus, the whole idolatry thing is thrown out the window with catholicism. walk into a catholic church, big freakin dead jew on the wall. Looks like an idol to us hebs. |
So do you agree that what I said is one major differance? (other then the whole foreskin issue I mean). Sgatr15 PS Thanks man...you helped ALOT |
I don't want to start a tit-for-tat but for every prophetic verse about Messiah's first coming in Tenakh there are eight about His second coming. But why go tit-for tat. Just do a good thorough reading of Daniel 9:26-28. Actually read the whole book of Daniel. As far as one of the thirteen principles Maimonides puts forward about not trying to figure out the time of Messiah.......? God spells it out so very clearly. There are so many prophetic verses about figuring out the times of so many things in Jewish history. Again, read the book of Daniel. Why do you think Gaberial came and visited Daniel?......because Daniel read scripture and KNEW that the Jews would only be enslaved for a set amount of years. On the eve of that time being up Daniel prayed about what would happen next.....and ta-dah....you have chapter 9 od Daniel. Maimonides was wrong about times in scripture. It is filled with prophecies and exact times. Only time that is not know is the end of the world.....but that's a whole different discussion. |
Okay, I can see that. Since He isn't "God" in your eyes then we would definitely be whopshipping an idol according to you because it would be just a man on the wall, where we see God Himself on the wall. Interesting. Now, lets talk symbols...like...umm (brain Fart) that 7 candle thingy... Explain please Sgatr15 |