[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Question for Police (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/30/2015 11:12:49 AM EDT
| Is it normal to run a persons criminal on history on a traffic stop? |
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When I swipe a person DL it gives their DL status, vehicle infractions, state criminal history and a check for warrants. ^^^^^ All of the above and if you have a concealed weapon permit (State issued or national concealed carry). Depending on State DMV, I also get your license photo for verification. |
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Quoted: Ok.next question is can you see the actual disposition? Charge and disposition? Is NCIC used for this? |
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Criminal history, no. I can't actually run a CH from my MDT, I can run a wants and warrants inquiry and I can check the jail booking records
Criminal Histories have to be run by our dispatchers and then logged on a dissemination log. If we ran CH's on everyone we stopped or came into contact with, it would probably require another dispatcher to be hired for most shifts. We save running CH's usually for things like incidents where we believe we have a felon in possession of a firearm or someone who may be getting charged with a felony offense based on prior conviction history, for example previous convictions for batteries can result in a misdemeanor becoming a felony. |
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CHRI is a special search here, not available for traffic infractions. An arrest or investigation must be in place, with corresponding identifying case numbers, to run a check. This...drivers history is the same way. No case number, no CHRI or drivers history. |
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We couldn't run criminal history in the car or over the radio. Only DL and warrant check. Arrested a old guy once on a traffic misdemeanor and found out later he had served two separate prison terms for murder. Mine will come back: (in computer voice) Caution. Maximum warning level. Person has a total of 32 criminal charges including 25 felonies. |
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Quoted: State specific. For us at least Criminal History was a separate search, it had to have a specific case number and requesting Officer. Dicking around with the computers and lookups was an easy way to get yourself jammed up. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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CCH is only run after an arrest or prior to court. Also what floridacop says above. Quoted:
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Ok.next question is can you see the actual disposition? Charge and disposition? Is NCIC used for this? CCH is only run after an arrest or prior to court. Also what floridacop says above. We run CCHs only for DV related incidents. Arrest, Restraining Orders.. |
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Mine will come back: (in computer voice) Caution. Maximum warning level. Person has a total of 32 criminal charges including 25 felonies. Quoted:
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We couldn't run criminal history in the car or over the radio. Only DL and warrant check. Arrested a old guy once on a traffic misdemeanor and found out later he had served two separate prison terms for murder. Mine will come back: (in computer voice) Caution. Maximum warning level. Person has a total of 32 criminal charges including 25 felonies. will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. |
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Cops came back later and claimed I was a felon in possession of firearm. I said "uh, how do I have a carry permit?" They seemed dumbfounded. Btw, this time there were six units on scene. One asked "we're you arrested for Agg battery"? I say yes, it was a bs charge, was lowered to battery, a misdomeanor, end of story. I say "I can pull an NCIC from FBI and GCIC from My county and see the disposition, what's you problem?" He said they were using something (can't remember the initials). That only shows charge and conviction, not disposition. At this point I am beginning to be intrigued as I was not stopped in traffic, was not witnessed by LE doing anything wrong, and was not identified to LE as a perpetrator of a criminal offense. At this point I think "hmmmm, usually there must be a criminal investigation to pull this sort of history, they are merely fishing around." I was a medic, worked alongside cops and had ex cops for partners on the med unit. One of them told me once that accessing criminal hx without PC was not allowed. I think I'll ask my buddy, a lawyer, to assist with this to determine if a complaint should be filed. |
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Quoted: This is the correct answer. Quoted: Quoted: CHRI is a special search here, not available for traffic infractions. An arrest or investigation must be in place, with corresponding identifying case numbers, to run a check. This is the correct answer. |
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Cops came back later and claimed I was a felon in possession of firearm. I said "uh, how do I have a carry permit?" They seemed dumbfounded. Btw, this time there were six units on scene. One asked "we're you arrested for Agg battery"? I say yes, it was a bs charge, was lowered to battery, a misdomeanor, end of story. I say "I can pull an NCIC from FBI and GCIC from My county and see the disposition, what's you problem?" He said they were using something (can't remember the initials). That only shows charge and conviction, not disposition. At this point I am beginning to be intrigued as I was not stopped in traffic, was not witnessed by LE doing anything wrong, and was not identified to LE as a perpetrator of a criminal offense. At this point I think "hmmmm, usually there must be a criminal investigation to pull this sort of history, they are merely fishing around." I was a medic, worked alongside cops and had ex cops for partners on the med unit. One of them told me once that accessing criminal hx without PC was not allowed. I think I'll ask my buddy, a lawyer, to assist with this to determine if a complaint should be filed. 
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| And you had better log it in, with your name, a case number, and all kinds of other stuff. Several Fulton County deputies (Ga) were caught several years ago running people for a PI. Get caught, and you had better be ready to write a big check to the State, and spend some time away from home. |
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will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. Quoted:
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We couldn't run criminal history in the car or over the radio. Only DL and warrant check. Arrested a old guy once on a traffic misdemeanor and found out later he had served two separate prison terms for murder. Mine will come back: (in computer voice) Caution. Maximum warning level. Person has a total of 32 criminal charges including 25 felonies. will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. Come on man, this isn't Star Trek 
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Quoted: Quoted: Cops came back later and claimed I was a felon in possession of firearm. I said "uh, how do I have a carry permit?" They seemed dumbfounded. Btw, this time there were six units on scene. One asked "we're you arrested for Agg battery"? I say yes, it was a bs charge, was lowered to battery, a misdomeanor, end of story. I say "I can pull an NCIC from FBI and GCIC from My county and see the disposition, what's you problem?" He said they were using something (can't remember the initials). That only shows charge and conviction, not disposition. At this point I am beginning to be intrigued as I was not stopped in traffic, was not witnessed by LE doing anything wrong, and was not identified to LE as a perpetrator of a criminal offense. At this point I think "hmmmm, usually there must be a criminal investigation to pull this sort of history, they are merely fishing around." I was a medic, worked alongside cops and had ex cops for partners on the med unit. One of them told me once that accessing criminal hx without PC was not allowed. I think I'll ask my buddy, a lawyer, to assist with this to determine if a complaint should be filed. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/Extorris/In/pool2_zpsfyv6y7ak.gif |
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Hey look, a douchebag stole from me, I whooped his ass. Quoted:
Hey look, a douchebag stole from me, I whooped his ass. I mean "in" for the follow up story after you make the complaint. I remember Maharlika74's story when he first posted it and then it got real good after he made an official complaint. |
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will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. Quoted:
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We couldn't run criminal history in the car or over the radio. Only DL and warrant check. Arrested a old guy once on a traffic misdemeanor and found out later he had served two separate prison terms for murder. Mine will come back: (in computer voice) Caution. Maximum warning level. Person has a total of 32 criminal charges including 25 felonies. will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. He reads it aloud in his best Steven Hawkings voice.
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He reads it aloud in his best Steven Hawkings voice. Quoted:
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We couldn't run criminal history in the car or over the radio. Only DL and warrant check. Arrested a old guy once on a traffic misdemeanor and found out later he had served two separate prison terms for murder. Mine will come back: (in computer voice) Caution. Maximum warning level. Person has a total of 32 criminal charges including 25 felonies. will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. He reads it aloud in his best Steven Hawkings voice. the reason I ask, if that I have seen some laboratory instruments with a verbal warning of "Abnormality Detected"- if I could get that in a Vader voice, it would be awesome. |
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will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. Quoted:
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We couldn't run criminal history in the car or over the radio. Only DL and warrant check. Arrested a old guy once on a traffic misdemeanor and found out later he had served two separate prison terms for murder. Mine will come back: (in computer voice) Caution. Maximum warning level. Person has a total of 32 criminal charges including 25 felonies. will the computer actually speak to you? or do you read it. It speaks. |
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Cops came back later and claimed I was a felon in possession of firearm. I said "uh, how do I have a carry permit?" They seemed dumbfounded. Btw, this time there were six units on scene. One asked "we're you arrested for Agg battery"? I say yes, it was a bs charge, was lowered to battery, a misdomeanor, end of story. I say "I can pull an NCIC from FBI and GCIC from My county and see the disposition, what's you problem?" He said they were using something (can't remember the initials). That only shows charge and conviction, not disposition. At this point I am beginning to be intrigued as I was not stopped in traffic, was not witnessed by LE doing anything wrong, and was not identified to LE as a perpetrator of a criminal offense. At this point I think "hmmmm, usually there must be a criminal investigation to pull this sort of history, they are merely fishing around." I was a medic, worked alongside cops and had ex cops for partners on the med unit. One of them told me once that accessing criminal hx without PC was not allowed. I think I'll ask my buddy, a lawyer, to assist with this to determine if a complaint should be filed. From what you told me they are good to go on running a CH on you at the time. |
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Quoted: I mean "in" for the follow up story after you make the complaint. I remember Maharlika74's story when he first posted it and then it got real good after he made an official complaint. Quoted: Quoted: Hey look, a douchebag stole from me, I whooped his ass. I mean "in" for the follow up story after you make the complaint. I remember Maharlika74's story when he first posted it and then it got real good after he made an official complaint. |
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Interesting. I was minding my business in a store, cops enter, ask if crown Vic outside is mine, say that someone claimed I was showing a badge and gun, I say BS, suddenly impersonator is found in another part of town. Quoted:
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State specific. For us at least Criminal History was a separate search, it had to have a specific case number and requesting Officer. Dicking around with the computers and lookups was an easy way to get yourself jammed up. Which has what to do with the question of criminal history lookups during my stop? ETA: I saw the rest after I replied. ..the first part if what I said was "State Specific " and "For us at least" if you are not in NJ then the local regs are probably different Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: Which has what to do with the question of criminal history lookups during my stops? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: State specific. For us at least Criminal History was a separate search, it had to have a specific case number and requesting Officer. Dicking around with the computers and lookups was an easy way to get yourself jammed up. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Which has what to do with the question of criminal history lookups during my stops? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
| My chief concern is why they have a system that shows incorrect info that could lead to a felony arrest that could screw up my career. Seems like a lot of liability hanging out there. The cop that explained the system made out like that is how it works, like an incomplete system. |
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My chief concern is why they have a system that shows incorrect info that could lead to a felony arrest that could screw up my career. Seems like a lot of liability hanging out there. The cop that explained the system made out like that is how it works, like an incomplete system. Why did our system routinely show warrants as active that had been closed? 
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Cops came back later and claimed I was a felon in possession of firearm. I said "uh, how do I have a carry permit?" They seemed dumbfounded. Btw, this time there were six units on scene. One asked "we're you arrested for Agg battery"? I say yes, it was a bs charge, was lowered to battery, a misdomeanor, end of story. I say "I can pull an NCIC from FBI and GCIC from My county and see the disposition, what's you problem?" He said they were using something (can't remember the initials). That only shows charge and conviction, not disposition. At this point I am beginning to be intrigued as I was not stopped in traffic, was not witnessed by LE doing anything wrong, and was not identified to LE as a perpetrator of a criminal offense. At this point I think "hmmmm, usually there must be a criminal investigation to pull this sort of history, they are merely fishing around." I was a medic, worked alongside cops and had ex cops for partners on the med unit. One of them told me once that accessing criminal hx without PC was not allowed. I think I'll ask my buddy, a lawyer, to assist with this to determine if a complaint should be filed. I'm also interested in how the man was invited into your life. You just drive the wrong kind of vehicle or someone SWATTED you? |
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Why did our system routinely show warrants as active that had been closed? http://i.imgur.com/8zmtPbx.jpg Quoted:
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My chief concern is why they have a system that shows incorrect info that could lead to a felony arrest that could screw up my career. Seems like a lot of liability hanging out there. The cop that explained the system made out like that is how it works, like an incomplete system. Why did our system routinely show warrants as active that had been closed? http://i.imgur.com/8zmtPbx.jpg Depending on when they update the system a person could show active warrant that may have already been served. Same with DL status. All have to be verified with dispatch first. |
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Depending on when they update the system a person could show active warrant that may have already been served. Quoted:
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My chief concern is why they have a system that shows incorrect info that could lead to a felony arrest that could screw up my career. Seems like a lot of liability hanging out there. The cop that explained the system made out like that is how it works, like an incomplete system. Why did our system routinely show warrants as active that had been closed? http://i.imgur.com/8zmtPbx.jpg Depending on when they update the system a person could show active warrant that may have already been served. Some of them had been served years earlier. |
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Yes I always run the driver for DL and wants and warrants local criminal history comes with that as well. This. You run a DL it does the rest of that automatically. ETA: it does not give us a detailed criminal history, only a list of the local charges. So technically, no, now that I re-read what was being asked. |