Posted: 9/5/2009 6:06:53 PM EDT
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I have a couple of questions about Iraq.
My son will be shipping out soon for Iraq. He is a Cav Scout and will be in one the last combat brigades to go over. He was told that his platoon will be embedded with Iraqi police for training and operations. He would be living with them. What is he up against? He will not be living at the FOB but with the goddamn Iraqis. Anybody have any experience doing this? I suspect that duty sucks and would be a more dangerous thing to do nowadays. The other question. I am a retired engineer but I do some consulting on the side. The consulting company has an opening for a project manger in Iraq. I have been approached with the idea of going. The money will be great but I really don't need it. I would be over there the same time as my son and to me that is a plus. Has anybody worked as a consultant over there and could you give me any idea of what I am up against? I assume all the contractors are under the protection of the military. I am a Vietnam vet and I am not afraid and I can hack it but at my age I wonder if I really want to be involved in something like this. Any words of wisdom from somebody that has done it? |
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so he will be living on a COP? when we went in 2007 we were told we would be living among the iraqis. half true. we lived on a small company sized outpost in the city, but the iraqis did not live within our hesco walls, except for a select few. technically the rest of the iraqis lived 20 feet past our walls. We lived with them, but not WITH them, if you can understand that.
also, from everything i'm getting current iraq deployments are boring as shit with no stated mission for the combat units. no action and no job other than busy work. as far as going as a contractor, my dad has lived on camp liberty for almost 3 years now, he works with shadow UAVs. he loves it. |
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As a contractor in Iraq, you are subject to Iraqi law & the Iraqi "justice" system (and I am using that term very loosely here). You also won't get a weapons authorization. Which means you will likely have to stay on base 100% of the time since outside the wire the risk is too great for you to get kidnapped by either the insurgents or the Iraqi security forces... Unless you rate a PSD. So you likely won't be able to see your son all that often. Apart from that, life on the major bases is not too bad, but it is not for everyone.
And +1 on your son watching his six at all times around Iraqi security forces. He should mentally prepare himself for incredible amounts of dysfunctionality, corruption, incompetence and ungratefulness on their part. |
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We trained the Iraqi police in the city of Balad. The city was something like 90% shiite, and suffered heavily under the Saddam regime. They seemed to love us. However, the Iraqi Police forces were very corrupt. We had to fire the police force several times (not just the Chief of Police, but all of them). Usually it was just your basic low-level corruption, but we did catch some of them giving intel to the insurgents, and we even caught a few of them placing IEDs, while still in uniform. Our biggest problem we had was two related things, they wouldn't place themselves in a position where they would have to fight, especially insurgents. Most of the time they would just hang out in the police station, and the few times we got them to set up checkpoints in the city, the cops manning the checkpoints were gone when we went to check on them. A lot of the times they wouldn't even be there 15 minutes after we left them there. The other problem was Iranian paramilitary forces in the area, I think they were called the Badr brigade. We were pretty close to the Iranian border, and the Shiites identified themselves pretty strongly with the Iranian shiites (Iran being the dominant country of Shiism) so they would pretty much openly co-operate with the Badr brigades. The Badr brigades would set up roadblocks around the city, and the cops would tell them when we would be in the area so they could avoid us. One night we were on patrol in our Humvees driving circuits around town. We drove by the police station and there's cops out in front, lights on, doors open, business as usual. We make a circuit around town and swing by the police station again. This time, no one's out front, lights are out, doors closed, looks like no ones home. My squad leader tells us to keep alert, somethings not right, and we keep driving. 10 minutes down the road we start receiving mortar fire. Shots are just landing all around us, but luckily (for us) the rounds keep landing just on the other side of people's houses. We check around, can't find the mortar. We head back to base to get some reinforcements (we lived at LSA Anaconda, not with the IPs, so base is 20 to 30 minutes away and we only have 9 guys on patrol at the moment). Some of our guys meet up with us and we head back to the Iraqi Police station. When we get there, lights on, cops out front, business as usual. They claim they didn't hear anything. We search the station and we find a mortar, unfired mortar rounds, empty cases that had mortar rounds stored. We detained all the cops on duty, and the police chief, but our higher ups decided to let them go and just settled on firing them from the police force. To be honest, I have no idea why they decided to fire on us. It's not like even if they had killed everyone on patrol that we'd go away. Hopefully a lot of that issue has been worked out. I was deployed from 2003 to 2004, and "combat operations" was just over when I was in Balad, so I would imagine my experience would be a lot different that what your son will experience. I know of a lot of units that are co-habituating with the IPs and other IRaqi forces, and honestly I think the most anti-american elements would have been weeded out by now. I think the big issue your son will have to deal with is lazy or scared Iraqi forces that won't fight. They'll act brave when your son is there, but they'll back down from the enemy as soon as your son's back is turned. |
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its quite possible you could see your son once or twice during a deployment if you end up at a hub like BIAP. ask me how I know... http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/102_0751.jpg Thats awesome!
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I lived off the FOB with Iraqis for YEARS and my only real worry was "when will the next ND be?". It will be good for him, tell him to use his time wisely and learn Arabic. This. +1 I live at an IP station advising IP's. It doesn't take long before you figure out who you can trust and who might be shady. Learning how to say hello, thank you and basic customs and being respectful will go a very long way. Most of the time they treat each other like shit. So if your the "nice" guy a lot of them will bend over backwards to help you out. In short after making a few friends with the IP's I fell safer than at any fob. If something is going to go down they will tell me. I've been warned about IED's, mortar attacks, and RPG attacks ahead of time by low level Iraqi police. |
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Iraq is boring as shit nowadays, it's like there isn't much of a war going on. Mostly IED's and occasional PSAF. I hear guys are coming back without their CIB's and CAB's. ^yup, thats about right. *If* your son is with the Iraqis, there is a good chance that it will be on a FOB, and if not it will be in a COP (combat outpost) basicly a very small FOB with joint sicurity. I was at one for 6 months and it sucked. I never did trust the Iraqis, but they never did anything to harm us. The generator going out will probably be the worst that will happen to him, no A/C and all. |
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I lived off the FOB with Iraqis for YEARS and my only real worry was "when will the next ND be?". It will be good for him, tell him to use his time wisely and learn Arabic. This. +1 I live at an IP station advising IP's. It doesn't take long before you figure out who you can trust and who might be shady. Learning how to say hello, thank you and basic customs and being respectful will go a very long way. Most of the time they treat each other like shit. So if your the "nice" guy a lot of them will bend over backwards to help you out. In short after making a few friends with the IP's I fell safer than at any fob. If something is going to go down they will tell me. I've been warned about IED's, mortar attacks, and RPG attacks ahead of time by low level Iraqi police. +1 Sounds like he's in one of the AABs, not a combat brigade. There are thousands of us here now, living with and advising the Iraqis. It will be frustrating, but if he keeps his head about him and doesn't act like he hates "the goddam Iraqis" he'll be fine. |
| It's not a big deal now living/working with the IPs/IA. Always keep alert but, for the most part, they're good guys serving their country too. He'll even run into some that speak English, and a few bad asses. I'll never forget two Iraqi PSF guys I rolled with often that were just bad asses at their job. |
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Quoted: Quoted: its quite possible you could see your son once or twice during a deployment if you end up at a hub like BIAP. ask me how I know... http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m303/daemon734/102_0751.jpg Thats awesome! ![]() father and son gettin it done |
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Tell him to never trust any Iraqi or let them get "too close" because all the police & military cant be trusted... And they like to have negligent discharges on daily basis so watch out! THIS I witnessed 5 different Iraqi Army negligent discharges on raids while being embedded with IA, The first of which was a belt fed that ripped through a group of American Soldiers, that included myself. The fucking Idiot slipped down a hillside with he finger of the trigger |
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As a Civilian Contractor you need to stay home. Let your Son do his job without worrying about his Old Man. What can either one of you do for each other if either of you step in the shit. I wouldn't be going over there to protect my son and his job would not be to protect me. By the way I am very capable of taking care of my own self. I did that 36 years before my son was born including being in a war. I doubt he would be worring about me. I am more concerned about leaving my wife for a year. However, it would be interesting to be over at the same time. I probably wouldn't consider going if he wasn't being deployed. |
