Posted: 11/5/2004 5:40:33 AM EDT
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I have been reading how GWB is planning an offensive attack on fallujah, Iraq. What exactly type of military build up is going on over there? Not just equipement, but how do they go about intel prep, man prep and so forth? What is all entailed in an operation like this? Anyone know or have experience? Thanks Sgatr15 |
| when I was there a year ago, my scout platoon had a counter intel team attatched and I would tag along with them for security. we'd go around on the town chatting it up with the people to try and see if anything was up. sounded like a dumb idea to me, but it actually worked and we got leads on lots of people with ties to the Baath party and weapons dealer types. and I'm betting thats whats going on now in addition to UAV and other areial recon. |
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Not real sure, but here is what I would hazard from my humble experience. Intell will probably be satellite and ariel photos, and maybe some HUMINT from locals. The city itself is probably divided into different AOs (Areas of Operation) to make battle tracking easier. Within each AO would be key objectives needed to be siezed, probably school complexes, mosques, and any other strongpoint/cache the terrorists are using. Each unit will have its own series of objectives to take, but will coordinate heavily with each unit to its flanks. For example, unit A has to sieze a tall building in its AO so that unit B can advance without taking fire from said building. It will be a street brawl. But, prior to the attack, airstrikes will be used to reduce any known or suspected strongholds. Troops will rehearse their parts of the plan, and memorize the layout of the city. Leaders will check and re-check weapons, equipment, ammo, radios, water, and their soldiers' knowledge of the plan. And when they roll in, they will be loaded for bear and backed with plenty of armored vehicles and firepower, and close air support plus artillery will be available. Like Sun Tzu said, (paraphrase) a wise warrior only attacks after he has won. The Americans will set the conditions, prep the battlefield, and will go in with overwhelming force. One guy with an AK in a house will probably draw close air support or tank fire. More than one guy will get a 500 lb bomb. It will get ugly, but they will be slaughtered. |
| Even though the info isn't considered classified... it's still not a good idea to let everyone know our tactics. It's called Operational Security. News orgs respect that one almost never. It could still get our boys put in a bad situation even though it's not classified. |
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Noonan23: I don't think the stuff we're been discussing is really any secret, I mean you can see this stuff in any Hollyweird war movie. Now if you're saying how many of something, then that is not "kosher." When the USA goes in there, I want them to killed those f'ckers "deader than a door nail." |
What I described above is hardly new knews, and can be found anywhere. Its been our mode of operation since WW2. Let me shorten it for you. We are going to go in there prepared, with a plan, and with more firepower than the can imagine. We will monkey stomp them. PLEASE TELL ME HOW THE ENEMY CAN USE ANYTHING I DESCRIBED ABOVE AGAINST US. |
Army surgeons are not noted for being in the loop when it comes to tactics. They are basically civilians in uniform. |
I think he meant on a daily basis ---------------- not as a whole. |
 "We expect the highest number of causalities since Viet Nam to occur soon." |
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i think the shit is about to sieze up over there.. yahoo has a news story about a new military hospital ( trauma unit) and morgue that has been set up for the fallujah area. http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=World&cat=Iraq lets hope that the "CHEATERS OF DEATH" have no customers. good luck and prayers to all over there... get summmmmmmmmmmmm |
Since I have no working knowledge of Fallujah, its hardly the same. BTW, the Iraqis know what's coming more than we do, they've been on the recieving end of that tactic many times. If you don't have anything nice to say, then say nothing at all. |
He said he expected up to 25 injuries that required serious treatment a day when they start to kick ass. I guess he has the job of projecting causalities --- and being ready for them. |
I've never been in the military, but I hope the medical people are in the loop, I mean lets be realistic, if one of our GIs gets shot-up we want to get the medical people in there ASAP. Sounds to me they are ready to break some knees and crack some heads. |
Ah, yes, I am familiar with these views. Some other ARFCOMer had a great quote about good ol cyanide. Hang on, let me dig it up. Few minutes later...
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Take a break ---------------- Stop goofing in a serious thread about the soldiers over there--- ok ... And from now on I will explain myself I sure don't need a yokel from MI, USA to do it for me. |
That's because we treat the enemy wounded with respect and dignity. The VC suffered one hell of a lot casualties - look at the Tet Offensive. They are just getting ready to help the insurgents when they meet American firepower. |
That's not what I meant. The combat medics will be right there, and are fellow soldiers. Surgeons, on the other hand, are not up front and do wonderful things in their own area, but casualties are brought to them, and they do their job. Most of them are not really familiar with tactics and warfighting in general, nor do they need to be. Before an operation, the commander may tell him to prepare for more casualties, and they always do (just in case). But when a surgeon ventures an opinion of a military op, I tend to ignore him. |
I am sorry for my ignorance. I see, the docs are medical people and not soldiers. |
Happy to explain. 
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Why don't YOU take a break? You did nothing but trash the president over the war before the election, and you obviously haven't stopped! Everyone knows that some Americans are going to die in this offensive. But for the last fucking time THIS IS NOT VIETNAM! This is no where near as bad a Vietnam was, and trying to associate Vietnam with Iraq is not going to make the situations the same! |
Hell, couldn't agree with you more motown_steve. But consider this, oh you people talking about Vietnam. We lost 58,000 soldiers, may they rest in peace. But we killed upwards of 1 million of the enemy (estimate, may be low, may be due to "body count math" ). Even IF Iraq was as "bad" as Vietnam, we would still be kicking their ass. Because we only "lost" Vietnam due to policy, not to any military prowess of the NVA or VC. Even the Tet Offensive resulted in the virtual annhiliation of the Viet Cong and was a MAJOR defeat for N. Vietnam. But with Bush in office, we don't have to worry about losing due to Washington policy. So, what is the problem? We are more than able to kick the shit out of them, and Bush is more than willing to let us. And if you want to compare Iraq to Vietnam in a "negative" sense, please Shut The Fuck Up. |
Hear, hear!! <golf clap> |
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The only thing I know about it what I was told last Friday while at Mitch Daniels campaign headquarters in Indy. I was with several vets one of whom was a Colonel and he was explaining how his son, who is a Ranger, was heading into Iraq specifically to be involved in taking Fallujah. He had been in Afghanistan earlier and had returned here upon receiving a promotion which in turn led to his new involvement in Iraq. His father, (the Colonel), was extremely proud and was very confident they would get the job done. I was in awe of these fine gentlemen who surrounded me and I felt quite inadequate although they never made me feel that way. |
The Viet Nam COMPARISON WAS HIS WORDS -- the Army surgeon. Not mine peckerhead. |
Dude, an Army surgeon is hardly a good source of military knowledge. Before any operation, it is SOP to prepare for the worst. Other than that, that guy probably doesn't know what end of a rifle the bullet comes out of. But I already said that. |
Iraq/Afghanistan is not the same as Viet Nam, back then the war was run by Dems Pres. Kennedy & Johnson. Pres. Johnson personally pretty much ran the war effort personally and thought he could bomb a few places in Viet Nam and the enemy would be begging to surrender(a la Bill Clinton). Today the war in Iraq/Afghanistan is being run by generals. Big difference. The USA are going to kick some serious @$$ very soon. |
Artillery and mortars too in the last couple days. Marines and Iraqi army now have the city surrounded. Last report from Reuters via AOL was that they were just waiting for the Iraqi PM to get back from his failed mission to Europe to launch a ground attack. Marines will do the assault and Iraqi infantry will move in behind and secure neighborhoods. Except for mosques, Iraqi SF will probably take them down like in Najaf. |