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9/19/2008 6:09:50 AM EDT
Did the Clintons screw us in regards to NEW US Military Surplus ammo?

When Iraq eventually ends and our large presence is withdrawn, can we get any of the overstocks?
9/19/2008 6:12:19 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm not sure who did it (likely Clinton), but all US surplus ammo cannot be sold to civies.  It has to be sold for scrap, disassembled, then reloaded if someone wants to do it...
9/19/2008 6:14:19 AM EDT
[#2]
That is such a waste.  The government could recoup some money and we would get cheap ammo.  Fuck klinton for screwing us over.
9/19/2008 6:15:05 AM EDT
[#3]
There is a huge rotation that takes place with War Reserve. It rotates from reserve to MPF ships to combat use to training before it would ever come to the civy market. It would be years if and when it would come to the overstock market.
9/19/2008 6:15:51 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
There is a huge rotation that takes place with War Reserve. It rotates from reserve to MPF ships to combat use to training before it would ever come to the civy market. It would be years if and when it would come to the overstock market.


Your point?


ETA: You sound as if it's milk or something. Ammo is good for a very long time.
9/19/2008 6:16:39 AM EDT
[#5]
We would have access to Surplus Ammo that WE paid for....that's novel concept.  I do believe it was Clinton.
9/19/2008 6:19:12 AM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
We would have access to Surplus Ammo that WE paid for....that's novel concept.  I do believe it was Clinton.


Yep, same thing with other surplus items like MREs
9/19/2008 6:20:39 AM EDT
[#7]
OP:

There are no overstocks.  

I will answer your question.  Then, you should tell people the basis of your supposition.

Normally, small arms ammo is produced in the main government plant.  It is not bought on the commercial market.

If you were old enough to read the newspaper in 2001, you would have seen the articles in the Los Angeles Times that training with 9mm ammo was being curtailed because a lack of supply.

If you were at the stage or reading newspapers two years ago, you would have seen the artiiles on the expansion of the major US plant by investment, that the main plant was running 24/7 except for one maintainance cycle a week, that nearly $1 billion in outside contracts were let and there was a 5 year estimate for getting the stockpile up to where it should be.

FYI:  There are UN Conventions now in place to prevent the sale of surplus military ammo.

The .308 and .223 exports from South Africa were done illegally (and lined the pockets of certain politicians there) in violation of the agreement of the South African government.

A certain Red Chinese company controlled by the PLA was caught smuggling machine guns into Oakland, California and as a consequence were banned from selling ammo and firearms in the US.

Thinking about quality surplus ammo, cheap and quality foreign ammunition in the future is wishful thinking.  It doesn't and will not exist.
9/19/2008 3:33:45 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
There is a huge rotation that takes place with War Reserve. It rotates from reserve to MPF ships to combat use to training before it would ever come to the civy market. It would be years if and when it would come to the overstock market.


Your point?


ETA: You sound as if it's milk or something. Ammo is good for a very long time.


you missed my point all together

and being that I have worked with the dam stuff every day for the last 9 years, I'm well aware of how long it can last.

The point was , to the OP  - ammo from Iraq doesn't go straight to Billy Bobs gun shop after we pack up and leave. All military ammo is on a rotation cycle as mentioned above, its got  a few other stops to make once it passes war reserve and combat use.

carry on now.
9/19/2008 7:38:18 PM EDT
[#9]
1.  yes, it was Clinton.

2.  Clinton also got much of the world to sign a treaty so they destroy surplus arms and ammo, which means no more South Africa (among others) surplus ammo.  
9/19/2008 7:40:05 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
We would have access to Surplus Ammo that WE paid for....that's novel concept.  I do believe it was Clinton.


Yep, same thing with other surplus items like MREs


What was the "logic" behind not selling it.
9/19/2008 7:43:11 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
We would have access to Surplus Ammo that WE paid for....that's novel concept.  I do believe it was Clinton.


Yep, same thing with other surplus items like MREs


What was the "logic" behind not selling it.

Him just being a fuck. Said reducing arms would stop conflicts in 3rd world shitholes. What they used to do with bullets they now do with machetes. Personally, I'd rather be shot than hacked to death.
9/19/2008 7:57:55 PM EDT
[#12]
glad i bought 1 round of each caliber firearm I own, just in case