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12/10/2009 6:30:18 PM EDT
Started to reread the Quran as I have been accused of misquoting it. In the very first Surrah I'm assuming those are the words of Allah. The term "we" is used a lot. If this is Allah talking, who is "we"?

If not Allah's words then whose?

I understand there is some lost in translation. Is this the case here?
12/10/2009 6:39:17 PM EDT
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Started to reread the Quran as I have been accused of misquoting it. In the very first Surrah I'm assuming those are the words of Allah. The term "we" is used a lot. If this is Allah talking, who is "we"?

If not Allah's words then whose?

I understnad there is some lost in translation. Is this the case here?


I don't remember we in the The Opening, but then is has been a few years.
12/10/2009 6:47:00 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm off shift soon and will post exact passages when I come back on shift tonight.
12/10/2009 6:56:49 PM EDT
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I'm off shift soon and will post exact passages when I come back on shift tonight.


Ok, I'll read it with my morning coffee.
12/11/2009 8:48:49 AM EDT
[#4]
Here's a couple short examples of the term "We".

Al-Baqarah 2:2-5 "We have bestowed upon them".
2:23-24 "We reveal to Our slave (Muhammad)....
2:47-54 "We gave to Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (of right and wrong), that you might be led aright.


These sound like Allah is speaking not Muhammad. Especially the last exerpt. Either way, who is "we"?
12/11/2009 9:18:04 AM EDT
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Here's a couple short examples of the term "We".

Al-Baqarah 2:2-5 "We have bestowed upon them".
2:23-24 "We reveal to Our slave (Muhammad)....
2:47-54 "We gave to Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (of right and wrong), that you might be led aright.


These sound like Allah is speaking not Muhammad. Especially the last exerpt. Either way, who is "we"?


The Quran is considered the "LITERAL" word of Allah. no intermediary. The "we" used is the ROYAL "we". The same way that the queen of England says "we are not amused." which really means I am not amused. Also, the Quran is not in chronological order, its not a narrative story like the bible. Its almost like a reading a "court transcript" of a person speaking in the first person. Also, if you are critical of islam, expect muslims or liberals to ALWAYS say you are "misinterpreting" or taking it out of context.
12/11/2009 10:18:21 AM EDT
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Not being critical. My first thought as I read the "we" terminology was of the Trinity in Christianity. Thus my confusion as to who was talking.

Do I have this right? The Quran is Mohammed writing down God's words not Mohammed telling the story of God?
12/11/2009 2:10:44 PM EDT
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Here's a couple short examples of the term "We".

Al-Baqarah 2:2-5 "We have bestowed upon them".
2:23-24 "We reveal to Our slave (Muhammad)....
2:47-54 "We gave to Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (of right and wrong), that you might be led aright.


These sound like Allah is speaking not Muhammad. Especially the last exerpt. Either way, who is "we"?


As has been stated, the Royal, Imperial, We (meaning I).

Also the better translation is Our servant, or person to do Our bidding, rather than Our slave.  I think that this is a necessary difference because of the meaning and import in the implication of the word Slave in the Western world (meaning that he is not doing this of his free will).
12/11/2009 2:14:28 PM EDT
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Not being critical. My first thought as I read the "we" terminology was of the Trinity in Christianity. Thus my confusion as to who was talking.

Do I have this right? The Quran is Mohammed writing down God's words not Mohammed telling the story of God?


Mohammad did not write down anything.  It was written down by his followers.

In the tradition, it is considered the literal word of God.
12/11/2009 3:40:33 PM EDT
[#9]
I understand. Thx.