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6/28/2011 8:52:55 AM EDT
I posted this in General but did not get many helpful replies.  



I have an Intel i7 chip Quad core @2.67GHz.  I am running Windows Vista (64 bit)



There are six available slots for DDR3 RAM.  The computer came with three 1Gig Ram sticks.  They are in alternating slots.  I bought a 4Gig stick recently and want to know where I should install it?  



How would you install these four RAM sticks in your system?  If you would just get two more 4Gig sticks that's fine, but also tell me what you would do if all you had was one 4Gig and three 1Gig sticks.



Thank you
6/28/2011 9:11:44 AM EDT
[#1]
Read the user manual for your Mother Board.  More than likely you won't be able to use your 1Gig chips.
6/28/2011 9:15:48 AM EDT
[#2]
Quoted:
I posted this in General but did not get many helpful replies.  

I have an Intel i7 chip Quad core @2.67GHz.  I am running Windows Vista (64 bit)

There are six available slots for DDR3 RAM.  The computer came with three 1Gig Ram sticks.  They are in alternating slots.  I bought a 4Gig stick recently and want to know where I should install it?  

How would you install these four RAM sticks in your system?  If you would just get two more 4Gig sticks that's fine, but also tell me what you would do if all you had was one 4Gig and three 1Gig sticks.

Thank you


return the 4gb stick.
You need to run triple channel, which means 3 sticks.
6/28/2011 9:40:35 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I posted this in General but did not get many helpful replies.  

I have an Intel i7 chip Quad core @2.67GHz.  I am running Windows Vista (64 bit)

There are six available slots for DDR3 RAM.  The computer came with three 1Gig Ram sticks.  They are in alternating slots.  I bought a 4Gig stick recently and want to know where I should install it?  

How would you install these four RAM sticks in your system?  If you would just get two more 4Gig sticks that's fine, but also tell me what you would do if all you had was one 4Gig and three 1Gig sticks.

Thank you


return the 4gb stick.
You need to run triple channel, which means 3 sticks.


Yep.  Get 2 more 4GB if they won't let you return the 1 stick, if you've got the money.  Or get 3 1GB sticks.
6/28/2011 10:24:13 AM EDT
[#4]
OK, so if I were to get two more 4Gig sticks should I keep the 1Gig sticks in too?  Or, should I only use the 4Gig sticks?
6/28/2011 10:34:29 AM EDT
[#5]
You would more than likely only use the 4 gig chips, but at the same time, you're probably putting in more ram than your computer can handle. i.e. it probably maxes our at 6 gigs, so you really should have gotten 3x 2 gig ram sticks.
Again, no one, without knowing which MB you have can give you a 100% correct answer.
6/28/2011 10:37:50 AM EDT
[#6]
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OK, so if I were to get two more 4Gig sticks should I keep the 1Gig sticks in too?  Or, should I only use the 4Gig sticks?


I'd probably get 3 *IDENTICAL* 4gb sticks.  Note and re-note the IDENTICAL bit, because if they are not IDENTICAL all sorts of fun things may or may not happen.

Sorry, got burned a while back by a guy I know who asked me how to upgrade RAM.  I told him "Buy this kit off crucial.com for your system".  He went around telling people "Hey look, I saved money over this guy's recommendation by getting this brand X dimm and this brand Y dimm".  Of course over the next 3 months his system crashed constantly, and he whined at me.  Idiots.
6/28/2011 10:40:03 AM EDT
[#7]
Rather than all this half assed guessing, what motherboard do you have?  That's what matters here.
6/28/2011 11:44:32 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I posted this in General but did not get many helpful replies.  

I have an Intel i7 chip Quad core @2.67GHz.  I am running Windows Vista (64 bit)

There are six available slots for DDR3 RAM.  The computer came with three 1Gig Ram sticks.  They are in alternating slots.  I bought a 4Gig stick recently and want to know where I should install it?  

How would you install these four RAM sticks in your system?  If you would just get two more 4Gig sticks that's fine, but also tell me what you would do if all you had was one 4Gig and three 1Gig sticks.

Thank you


return the 4gb stick.
You need to run triple channel, which means 3 sticks.


He likely doesn't HAVE to run the memory in triple-channel, but it will be faster if he does.

You could simply slap the 4GB chip in and see if the BIOS sees it. If it does, the OS should, too, being 64 bit.




6/28/2011 11:51:31 AM EDT
[#9]
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You would more than likely only use the 4 gig chips, but at the same time, you're probably putting in more ram than your computer can handle. i.e. it probably maxes our at 6 gigs, so you really should have gotten 3x 2 gig ram sticks.
Again, no one, without knowing which MB you have can give you a 100% correct answer.


An i7 Mobo with triple-channel RAM configuration can almost certainly handle more than 6GB of RAM, unless its a VERY cheep board.

I'd get two more 4GB sticks (identical to the one already purchased) and slap it all in. The board might not support more than 12GB of RAM, but without knowing what board exactly he has, it's hard to say.

6/28/2011 2:14:34 PM EDT
[#10]



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You would more than likely only use the 4 gig chips, but at the same time, you're probably putting in more ram than your computer can handle. i.e. it probably maxes our at 6 gigs, so you really should have gotten 3x 2 gig ram sticks.






You don't know what board he has, but know that it likely tops out at 6gb?







OP, run Triple Channel. Get 2 more identical sticks of 4gb and run 12GB triple.



 
6/28/2011 5:28:27 PM EDT
[#11]
some say tripple channle and dual channel yield little real world performance and that who might be better with simply "more ram"
6/28/2011 6:55:40 PM EDT
[#12]
Again you'll need to reference the manual for your motherboard, but most MOBOs will have the RAM slots color coordinated (usually black/blue or white/blue). You use alternating slots when you only have 3 sticks of RAM on an X58 MOBO. Usually this alternating set starts at the slot closest to the CPU socket, so from left to right it's slots 1, 3, 5. On VERY RARE occasions it can be 2, 4, 6, but since your computer came with some RAM installed and working just go with that.

Now the bit about triple channel memory means, basically, that if you want to run in triple channel you have to install RAM in multiples of 3. So it's 3 sticks or 6. If you have 2 or 4 sticks of RAM you're gonna run in Dual Channel. Triple Channel is way better on white paper, but real world performance won't be noticed by most users. But still, if you have a triple channel MOBO you want to go with it right? Cause these things aren't cheap!

I wouldn't advise throwing a 4GB stick into a triple channel set of 3GB. You'd be better off taking everything out and putting in just the one 4GB set for now. You can add another 4GB stick to slot 3 (cause if you only have 1 stick you put it in slot 1 right?), and then maybe slot 5. Many people will tell you that 12GB of RAM is a stupid waste of money, and they may be right; but I like downloading movies + decrypting a DVD + encoding a DIVX movie + listening to music + playing an old game (Jane's Fighter's Anthology) in Windows XP Mode, roger!?!

So fill your RAM slots in this order: 1, then 3 and 5, then 2 and 4 and 6. If you're running 1 stick, put it in slot 1. If you're running 2 sticks, use 1 and 3. 3 sticks: 1 and 3 and 5. 4-5 sticks: just don't. Why would you?
6/28/2011 6:57:13 PM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Again you'll need to reference the manual for your motherboard, but most MOBOs will have the RAM slots color coordinated (usually black/blue or white/blue). You use alternating slots when you only have 3 sticks of RAM on an X58 MOBO. Usually this alternating set starts at the slot closest to the CPU socket, so from left to right it's slots 1, 3, 5. On VERY RARE occasions it can be 2, 4, 6, but since your computer came with some RAM installed and working just go with that.

Now the bit about triple channel memory means, basically, that if you want to run in triple channel you have to install RAM in multiples of 3. So it's 3 sticks or 6. If you have 2 or 4 sticks of RAM you're gonna run in Dual Channel. Triple Channel is way better on white paper, but real world performance won't be noticed by most users. But still, if you have a triple channel MOBO you want to go with it right? Cause these things aren't cheap!

I wouldn't advise throwing a 4GB stick into a triple channel set of 3GB. You'd be better off taking everything out and putting in just the one 4GB set for now. You can add another 4GB stick to slot 3 (cause if you only have 1 stick you put it in slot 1 right?), and then maybe slot 5. Many people will tell you that 12GB of RAM is a stupid waste of money, and they may be right; but I like downloading movies + decrypting a DVD + encoding a DIVX movie + listening to music + playing an old game (Jane's Fighter's Anthology) in Windows XP Mode, roger!?!

So fill your RAM slots in this order: 1, then 3 and 5, then 2 and 4 and 6. If you're running 1 stick, put it in slot 1. If you're running 2 sticks, use 1 and 3. 3 sticks: 1 and 3 and 5. 4-5 sticks: just don't. Why would you?


And I DO rock 12GB of RAM. So? There are 6 slots aren't there!?! :)
6/29/2011 6:28:13 AM EDT
[#14]
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You would more than likely only use the 4 gig chips, but at the same time, you're probably putting in more ram than your computer can handle. i.e. it probably maxes our at 6 gigs, so you really should have gotten 3x 2 gig ram sticks.



You don't know what board he has, but know that it likely tops out at 6gb?



OP, run Triple Channel. Get 2 more identical sticks of 4gb and run 12GB triple.
 


If you weren't ESL you'd know that i.e. means "EXAMPLE," I was simply using this as an example.  Also, if you bothered to read my other post NO ONE, not even you Pedro, can tell him what the specs of his MB are without knowing which MB he has.  Comprende amigo?
6/29/2011 6:45:18 AM EDT
[#15]
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OK, so if I were to get two more 4Gig sticks should I keep the 1Gig sticks in too?  Or, should I only use the 4Gig sticks?


I'd probably get 3 *IDENTICAL* 4gb sticks.  Note and re-note the IDENTICAL bit, because if they are not IDENTICAL all sorts of fun things may or may not happen.

Sorry, got burned a while back by a guy I know who asked me how to upgrade RAM.  I told him "Buy this kit off crucial.com for your system".  He went around telling people "Hey look, I saved money over this guy's recommendation by getting this brand X dimm and this brand Y dimm".  Of course over the next 3 months his system crashed constantly, and he whined at me.  Idiots.


This was likely due to the memory he bought just being defective or too slow for the system (or the bios was changed to a set speed from 'auto'); there's no need for sticks to be identical, though I do prefer it as well –– it looks better.

So long as all the sticks meet the minimum requirements for timing and are the same capacity, they'll work in double or triple channel.  The chipset will detect the slowest stick in the bunch and run them all at that speed.

Also it appears that all the triple channel chipsets that Intel produces can run in single or double channel mode, so there's no need to buy sticks in triplet if you're on a budget.  In this case the single 4GB is probably fine, as it leaves slots open for additional 4GB modules later, provided the board can support that much RAM.
6/29/2011 2:35:39 PM EDT
[#16]





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If you weren't ESL you'd know that i.e. means "EXAMPLE," I was simply using this as an example.  Also, if you bothered to read my other post NO ONE, not even you Pedro, can tell him what the specs of his MB are without knowing which MB he has.  Comprende amigo?
I.E. does not mean "example" it effectively means "that is".





"E.G." is used for denoting a list of examples.






Edit: It seems you used "I.E." correctly in your initiator post, then fucked up on your rebuttal.  Had you said nothing you would not have made that mistake.





 
6/29/2011 2:53:39 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
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OK, so if I were to get two more 4Gig sticks should I keep the 1Gig sticks in too?  Or, should I only use the 4Gig sticks?


I'd probably get 3 *IDENTICAL* 4gb sticks.  Note and re-note the IDENTICAL bit, because if they are not IDENTICAL all sorts of fun things may or may not happen.

Sorry, got burned a while back by a guy I know who asked me how to upgrade RAM.  I told him "Buy this kit off crucial.com for your system".  He went around telling people "Hey look, I saved money over this guy's recommendation by getting this brand X dimm and this brand Y dimm".  Of course over the next 3 months his system crashed constantly, and he whined at me.  Idiots.


This was likely due to the memory he bought just being defective or too slow for the system (or the bios was changed to a set speed from 'auto'); there's no need for sticks to be identical, though I do prefer it as well –– it looks better.

So long as all the sticks meet the minimum requirements for timing and are the same capacity, they'll work in double or triple channel.  The chipset will detect the slowest stick in the bunch and run them all at that speed.

Also it appears that all the triple channel chipsets that Intel produces can run in single or double channel mode, so there's no need to buy sticks in triplet if you're on a budget.  In this case the single 4GB is probably fine, as it leaves slots open for additional 4GB modules later, provided the board can support that much RAM.


Triple channel
This mode offers the high throughput for applications. Interleaving reduces overall memory latency by accessing the DIMM memory sequentially. Data is spread through the memory modules in an alternating pattern.

Three independent memory channels give two possible modes of interleaving:

   Triple channel mode is enabled when identical matched memory modules are installed in each of the three memory channels (blue connectors).
   If only two of the blue memory connectors are populated with matched DIMMs, dual channel memory is enabled.

If he thinks he needs more than 3g, he *probably* does not want to wreck his performance by going from 3*dimm speed (ish) to dimm speed.  YMMV
6/29/2011 3:49:44 PM EDT
[#18]
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If he thinks he needs more than 3g, he *probably* does not want to wreck his performance by going from 3*dimm speed (ish) to dimm speed.  YMMV


It's not going to wreck performance.

There is almost no benefit at all to running triple channel in real world workloads.  In some cases/workloads, dual channel is faster, which leads me to believe all of them are within the margin of error.

The amount of memory you have affects overall system performance ('feel') much more.  Next in line is latency.  After that comes interleaving.

Also, in your quote from intel, you left out that latency, brand, and even speed do not have to be the same for dual channel to work.  All that matters is size, density (how big the individual chips on the dimm are) and that the correct slots are used.  Mismatching dimms will bring the system down to dual channel speeds, not single channel.

example 1

After all these tests you need to ask yourself: What the heck is that triple channel mode useful for anyway, when it is obvious that is doesn’t provide performance boost that is expected? Maybe in the future and with some new versions of memory controllers, triple channel mode will provide better performances so transition to this platform will make more sense. Until that moment triple channel mode will be just another nice sticker on LGA 1366 motherboards and memory packages.


example 2

We ran the entire benchmark suite once with each of the memory configurations. Our conclusion? It doesn’t matter much to the Core i7, with its 1 MB L2 cache and 8 MB L3 cache, whether it is running its memory in a triple-, dual-, or single-channel configuration. In everyday tasks, there is absolutely no tangible performance difference: the performance delta between a tri-channel and a single-channel configuration is only 2% on average. If you already own a dual-channel DDR3 memory kit and are planning to switch to the Core i7, you don’t need to spend the extra money on a third module to run your system in tri-channel mode.


example 3

Although three channels of DDR3 memory might seem excessive, the Core i7 really does seem to make good use of faster memory, at least in synthetic tests. But that was to be expected. The real question is whether those gains translate to real-world applications, and it's here that the results are more mixed. Certainly, in scientific computing tests like Euler3d and MyriMatch, which we already know to be sensitive to memory subsystem performance, faster memory can provide tangible performance perks. However, common desktop applications like those highlighted by WorldBench don't benefit much from higher memory clocks or tighter timings. Neither do most games, which at best show minor frame rate improvements that aren't significant enough for most folks to even notice, let alone appreciate.






6/30/2011 3:03:52 AM EDT
[#19]
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some say tripple channle and dual channel yield little real world performance and that who might be better with simply "more ram"


This might be true. Of course, there is nothing to be lost running more RAM and running it in triple channel, if that's realistic for him.

In this case, I doubt the PC would run slower with the 4GB installed with the three already there. I'd have to think the benefits of more RAM would make the PC faster in this case. Triple channel would be icing on the cake, but I wouldn't be all that worried if I couldn't run it that way.