Posted: 4/28/2013 10:07:42 AM EDT
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are.
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Fk any gun company that puts that shit into their firearms. |
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Fk any gun company that puts that shit into their firearms. might be the new future. Same with micro stamping.  
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Quoted: Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. |
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All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. That's not short range for an RFID - you're looking at a few meters. You could read chips somewhat further away with a more powerful transmitter but you risk damaging RFIDs that are closer. The difference in range between the front of a house and the back of the same house when measuring from the street is pretty big. |
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Really? So enlighten us exactly HOW you'll know there is a GUN "in there"? |
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Really? So enlighten us exactly HOW you'll know there is a GUN "in there"? really? All I am saying if they get a hit on their scanner as they drive buy. that means a chip in in there. |
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its basically a tank circuit. the RDIF gets "lit up" with a tx/rx device, the device is probably in the grip, and away from the metal frame. the metal frame has a potential to block or disrupt the signal. microwaving the device can destroy it. since the ant, or circuit wires are very very thin. finding the RFID and removing it will work to. the distance that the TX/RX device is usable is about 15 feet. some things can hinder the reader, large chunks of metal cluter in the environment. I am thinking that the general frequency for the RFID tags is about 13mhz. pretty low in the RF scale...well thats the freq that my company is using. |
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Quoted: They won't drive around looking for them. What would happen is detectors at entry points. Those anti-theft things that go off while leaving a store ring a bell? Making a cost effective yet resistant enough chip would be a challenge. very correct on "the entry points" but those anti theft things are easily compromised. foil lined bags, knowing the tag orintation and walking it through the field with out alarming. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Really? So enlighten us exactly HOW you'll know there is a GUN "in there"? really? All I am saying if they get a hit on their scanner as they drive buy. that means a chip in in there. First - its not a scanner. Second - how would they know exactly which frequency to use? Which Class of tag? In what exact data format? Its not as if all RFID tags use the same frequency - right? There are many, many, MANY. How will they know which protocol to use? You think that (insert whichever boogeyman you are worried about) is going to have a big van with equipment for exactly THE tag type you have on your firearm (or a van with a LOT of diverse systems - costing Gog knows what) and a HUGE antenna (and I'm not talking about a puny rod whip antenna) putting out a phenomenal amount of power to go from the street, through several walls to wherever your toy is, energize the TINY antenna buried in the firearm and then somehow that very weak signal is going to make the trip ALL THE WAY BACK through the same walls and all the way to the street - and the magical system will pick it up (I hope this mystery van is not actually MOVING) - and then find the incredibly weak signal buried among all the RF noise being generated from the same house, nearby home, street lights, electrical transformers, ballasts etc. Then once all this magic happens - the mystery van (which must be generating a helluva lot of power) with all this expensive and sophisticated equipment gets this from the RFID tag: ~b00800110001~b003000~n0034~n02712345678~n03112345678~n02401 Suffix: ~d013 So is that a gun? Is it an RFID card? A consumer product? What EXACTLY is it? You say its a gun. Okay - I'll bite. Which model? |
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They won't drive around looking for them. What would happen is detectors at entry points. Those anti-theft things that go off while leaving a store ring a bell? Making a cost effective yet resistant enough chip would be a challenge. very correct on "the entry points" but those anti theft things are easily compromised. foil lined bags, knowing the tag orintation and walking it through the field with out alarming. Agreed. Defeating them would be easy enough to do. Unless they have some super secret future tech, this will ultimately be a feel good measure. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Nope. "Short range" for passive RFID is about 6 inches. "Long range" is more like 3 feet. |
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Good luck with that.
I keep all but a couple of guns in a big, thick walled, steel box. That box is inside another box made of concrete, metal studs and electrical wiring with wi-fi, cellular and bluetooth sources. You'd have an easier time telling what color underwear I'm wearing from across town. |
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Really? So enlighten us exactly HOW you'll know there is a GUN "in there"? really? All I am saying if they get a hit on their scanner as they drive buy. that means a chip in in there. First - its not a scanner. Second - how would they know exactly which frequency to use? Which Class of tag? In what exact data format? Its not as if all RFID tags use the same frequency - right? There are many, many, MANY. How will they know which protocol to use? You think that (insert whichever boogeyman you are worried about) is going to have a big van with equipment for exactly THE tag type you have on your firearm (or a van with a LOT of diverse systems - costing Gog knows what) and a HUGE antenna (and I'm not talking about a puny rod whip antenna) putting out a phenomenal amount of power to go from the street, through several walls to wherever your toy is, energize the TINY antenna buried in the firearm and then somehow that very weak signal is going to make the trip ALL THE WAY BACK through the same walls and all the way to the street - and the magical system will pick it up (I hope this mystery van is not actually MOVING) - and then find the incredibly weak signal buried among all the RF noise being generated from the same house, nearby home, street lights, electrical transformers, ballasts etc. Then once all this magic happens - the mystery van (which must be generating a helluva lot of power) with all this expensive and sophisticated equipment gets this from the RFID tag: ~b00800110001~b003000~n0034~n02712345678~n03112345678~n02401 Suffix: ~d013 So is that a gun? Is it an RFID card? A consumer product? What EXACTLY is it? You say its a gun. Okay - I'll bite. Which model? Aright that all makes sense. But what about if the Manufacture releases the ID codes of each one. then they know what to look for. |
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Good luck with that. I keep all but a couple of guns in a big, thick walled, steel box. That box is inside another box made of concrete, metal studs and electrical wiring with wi-fi, cellular and bluetooth sources. You'd have an easier time telling what color underwear I'm wearing from across town. blue? |
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Good luck with that. I keep all but a couple of guns in a big, thick walled, steel box. That box is inside another box made of concrete, metal studs and electrical wiring with wi-fi, cellular and bluetooth sources. You'd have an easier time telling what color underwear I'm wearing from across town. blue? Nope, but I'll give you points since you're a couple of thousand miles away. |
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Good luck with that. I keep all but a couple of guns in a big, thick walled, steel box. That box is inside another box made of concrete, metal studs and electrical wiring with wi-fi, cellular and bluetooth sources. You'd have an easier time telling what color underwear I'm wearing from across town. blue? Nope, but I'll give you points since you're a couple of thousand miles away. damn
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Good luck with that. I keep all but a couple of guns in a big, thick walled, steel box. That box is inside another box made of concrete, metal studs and electrical wiring with wi-fi, cellular and bluetooth sources. You'd have an easier time telling what color underwear I'm wearing from across town. blue? Nope, but I'll give you points since you're a couple of thousand miles away. damn Should gone with a red lace thong.. 
The current level of tech would be useless simply because it can be defeated easily. It's a political feel good for the children stunt and will be a complete failure in the real world. Non issue. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Really? So enlighten us exactly HOW you'll know there is a GUN "in there"? really? All I am saying if they get a hit on their scanner as they drive buy. that means a chip in in there. First - its not a scanner. Second - how would they know exactly which frequency to use? Which Class of tag? In what exact data format? Its not as if all RFID tags use the same frequency - right? There are many, many, MANY. How will they know which protocol to use? You think that (insert whichever boogeyman you are worried about) is going to have a big van with equipment for exactly THE tag type you have on your firearm (or a van with a LOT of diverse systems - costing Gog knows what) and a HUGE antenna (and I'm not talking about a puny rod whip antenna) putting out a phenomenal amount of power to go from the street, through several walls to wherever your toy is, energize the TINY antenna buried in the firearm and then somehow that very weak signal is going to make the trip ALL THE WAY BACK through the same walls and all the way to the street - and the magical system will pick it up (I hope this mystery van is not actually MOVING) - and then find the incredibly weak signal buried among all the RF noise being generated from the same house, nearby home, street lights, electrical transformers, ballasts etc. Then once all this magic happens - the mystery van (which must be generating a helluva lot of power) with all this expensive and sophisticated equipment gets this from the RFID tag: ~b00800110001~b003000~n0034~n02712345678~n03112345678~n02401 Suffix: ~d013 So is that a gun? Is it an RFID card? A consumer product? What EXACTLY is it? You say its a gun. Okay - I'll bite. Which model? Aright that all makes sense. But what about if the Manufacture releases the ID codes of each one. then they know what to look for. Those RFID tags are for inventory control from manufacture to point of sale. They are practically useless for any other purpose. Their target read distance is probably about 4-6 inches. The manufacturer has nothing to gain from releasing code ranges/info - not the least of which is to protect sensitive production information from their competitors. |
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Not to address everything you wrote, but they will mandate a standard like a guid or uuid. Part of the encoding sequence will the manufacturer I'd. Another part will be type of weapon, followed by the caliber. Not a difficult scheme and certainly doable within an RFID numbering sequence.
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Really? So enlighten us exactly HOW you'll know there is a GUN "in there"? really? All I am saying if they get a hit on their scanner as they drive buy. that means a chip in in there. First - its not a scanner. Second - how would they know exactly which frequency to use? Which Class of tag? In what exact data format? Its not as if all RFID tags use the same frequency - right? There are many, many, MANY. How will they know which protocol to use? You think that (insert whichever boogeyman you are worried about) is going to have a big van with equipment for exactly THE tag type you have on your firearm (or a van with a LOT of diverse systems - costing Gog knows what) and a HUGE antenna (and I'm not talking about a puny rod whip antenna) putting out a phenomenal amount of power to go from the street, through several walls to wherever your toy is, energize the TINY antenna buried in the firearm and then somehow that very weak signal is going to make the trip ALL THE WAY BACK through the same walls and all the way to the street - and the magical system will pick it up (I hope this mystery van is not actually MOVING) - and then find the incredibly weak signal buried among all the RF noise being generated from the same house, nearby home, street lights, electrical transformers, ballasts etc. Then once all this magic happens - the mystery van (which must be generating a helluva lot of power) with all this expensive and sophisticated equipment gets this from the RFID tag: ~b00800110001~b003000~n0034~n02712345678~n03112345678~n02401 Suffix: ~d013 So is that a gun? Is it an RFID card? A consumer product? What EXACTLY is it? You say its a gun. Okay - I'll bite. Which model? |
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Yep, I suggest OP learn about how RFID works. You have to be pretty close for the scanner to pick it up...within feet. |
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Quoted: Not to address everything you wrote, but they will mandate a standard like a guid or uuid. Part of the encoding sequence will the manufacturer I'd. Another part will be type of weapon, followed by the caliber. Not a difficult scheme and certainly doable within an RFID numbering sequence. There are a lot of problems in trying to implement RFID tags integrated into a firearm. A LOT of problems. The two don't go together well. I have implemented RFID for military clients in an Arms Room Management System for tracking issue and return. Its not easy to survive solvents, thousands of rounds of firing shock etc etc etc. I cannot imagine any legislative body trying to force the issue. In any case - they are so easily removed by the user (forget the microwave legend silliness) - its pointless to install them with the intention of expecting them to last over time if the owner wants them gone. I have an M4 pistol grip with a RFID tag epoxied in it. Probably impossible to get a good photo of it. |
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So there's one or two manufacturers currently doing this, and likely none of those firearms have made it into the civilian market yet.
But people are outraged and panicking already. 
Folks, it's as simple as: If you don't want chipped firearms, don't buy them. Failing that, if you don't want a chip in your gun, take the sumbitch out! Cut it up with a pair of scissors and throw away the pieces. Who's going to know? |
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Kinda an old article. But it has me thinking. All they gotta do is drive up and down every street (short range) to find out where all the guns are. interesting read. Thats a complete load of crap. Its a surefire way to know there is in fact a gun in there. Really? So enlighten us exactly HOW you'll know there is a GUN "in there"? really? All I am saying if they get a hit on their scanner as they drive buy. that means a chip in in there. You're way off base. Stay in your lane. That's not how short range rfid works. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |