[ARCHIVED THREAD] - RKG attacks in Iraq (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/2/2009 1:52:30 PM EDT
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they weren't using these in my AO when I was in Iraq in 2007....but a friend over there has told me how nasty
they are.......they just threw hand grenades at us.... basically a anti-tank hand grenade with a shape charge for penetrating tank armor. Evolved from a model fielded by the Red Army during World War II........old school. here's a Hajji video of them being utilized against US forces.......frakkers.... RKG attacks stay safe over there guys!! |
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What really pisses me off about these is that if you were to return fire it would appear that you were shooting unarmed and fleeing civilians.
I had shown that video to a friend after the Blackwater shooting incident and he realized that you could be an armed combatant one second and a fleeing civilian the next in this scenario. A little tougher to armchair quarterback when these things happen. yak |
| I have four sons who are currently serving. Two Marines, two Soldiers. Three have been deployed. One three times, one twice, and one once. One of them just received the news they are going back, doing convoy security. I worry more about this deployment, then I did (with exception of the battle for Fallujah), then the other deployments. The IED's and RPG's, and RKG's come out from nowhere. At least in battle you knew who and approx' where the enemy was. I am pretty worried this time. |
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how are these fused? contact? Impact. Found this: RKG-3 |
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Aren't these supposed to have drogue chutes so they land with the top against the target? Looks like most were no more than misdirected explosions, less effective than a standard frag if the EFP is directed away from the target. I'm no expert or anything... exactly, thats why I was curious on fusing. A shaped charge needs to be aimed, these are just hitting at random angles... luck of the draw. |
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aw hell, that looks pretty effective then. hate to see it used on our countrymen 
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Aren't these supposed to have drogue chutes so they land with the top against the target? Looks like most were no more than misdirected explosions, less effective than a standard frag if the EFP is directed away from the target. I'm no expert or anything... exactly, thats why I was curious on fusing. A shaped charge needs to be aimed, these are just hitting at random angles... luck of the draw. Curious about this as well how does the shaped charge square to the target with any certainty???? |
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That's why you need the drogue chute; you loft it up and it's supposed to land on the target upside down (more or less). I didn't see any drogue chutes in the vid so like said above, it's pretty much luck (or no luck) of the draw. If the slug of molten metal created by the shaped charge isn't aimed at the target, it's little more than a big bang, easily handled by the up-armored HumVees.
Good for our guys! |
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That's why you need the drogue chute; you loft it up and it's supposed to land on the target upside down (more or less). I didn't see any drogue chutes in the vid so like said above, it's pretty much luck (or no luck) of the draw. If the slug of molten metal created by the shaped charge isn't aimed at the target, it's little more than a big bang, easily handled by the up-armored HumVees. Good for our guys! these are capable of penetrating approximately 5 inches of armor plate....... unfortunately friends in Iraq are telling me these things can be/have been very effective the grenades they threw at us did jack if they didn't get in the turret.....these are nasty.... |
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Half of these guys look like civilians who got a hold of some bombs and they blame some soldiers for shooting unarmed people that they thought looks dangerous? Fuck if it were me id turn that shit around and unload on them all they are supposed to look like civilians....buy look carefully at their age...one also has a 511 type 'shoot me first' vest |
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If I were CO of those convoys: I'd stop, surround that little s-hole village and do 'em all...every time it happened...until it stopped.
I will be...but I don't think I'll take your advice. #1...I don't really want to go to prison for the rest of my life for war crimes, #2, I wouldn't have the manpower to do that, #3, who would secure my convoy while I'm playing revenge?, #4, it would result in staggering increases in insurgent activity...it certainly wouldn't decrease it at all.
Thanks for posting the link OP, too bad it didn't show the results...I bet the injuries were minor on most of those... |
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This is why we should have firebombed every city that had insurgent activity instead of sending troops in. Which would have lost the war for us.... Brutality fails, see Al Queda.... The whole point of our mission in Iraq is to get the Iraqis moving in the right direction - not to prove Bin Laden's propaganda right.... |
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Fuckers. What I would give to be nearby with a rifle. Good thing alot of them throw like girls.http://www.goarmy.com/ Today's your lucky day. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuckers. What I would give to be nearby with a rifle. Good thing alot of them throw like girls.http://www.goarmy.com/ Today's your lucky day. They don't want an old bastard like me. I do know how to shoot, though. Please don't deny me my fantasy of magically be transported to the perfect firing point, taking care of business, then being home and back on the interwebz.  |
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An RPG-7 grenade, thrown by hand minus the rocket & stabilized/aimed by parachute...no thanks  
http://i42.tinypic.com/2m3mjye.jpg But by the looks of that video, extremely cost affective for the Iranians... You are confusing your weapons there mate. The Rkg is a thrown hand grenade, designed that way. The RPG is a rocket. Now before someone goes claiming that these are thrown EFP's they are not. These work off a jet of hot gas which literally pushes the armor out of the way. There is no formed metal penetrator like an EFP. The EFP principle blows a concave plate into a molten slug which punches through much more armor than this does. These nasty bastards sell for about 40 american dollars and the only way to beat them is with an agressive gunner. We are not really dealing with hardcore militant islamists here as much as people who are making money. There are some REAL insurgents left but there have been many thwarted attacks just by having the gunner scanning with a good presence. If the guy thinks he wont get away he is more likely not to throw it because he cant collect/spend his cash. Edit because I dont want to give the bad guys ideas |
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I have four sons who are currently serving. Two Marines, two Soldiers. Three have been deployed. One three times, one twice, and one once. One of them just received the news they are going back, doing convoy security. I worry more about this deployment, then I did (with exception of the battle for Fallujah), then the other deployments. The IED's and RPG's, and RKG's come out from nowhere. At least in battle you knew who and approx' where the enemy was. I am pretty worried this time. I think they're coming out of Iran.
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Are they effective? when used right very much so. Its like a mini EFP Shaped charge, right above the hull. At least, if it lands with the proper orientation. They're supposed to have little parachutes and possibly magnets so they land upright and stick to the hull. Bam. Shaped charge through the thin top armor. Probably won't do much damage on an Abrams, but on a thinner-skinned vehicle it's NASTY. |
| Anyone notice the throwers all exhibit the same kind of body language? Those little bouncing steps, arms locked out to th esides, the hand with the RKG held behind th ebody at an unatural angle to hide it from view? An alert turret gunner should be able to pick up on these cues if he has the proper training. |
| That made me sick. These are some truly cowardly fuckers who deserve what there gonna get when they roast in Hell. Any of you doubting how devestating these attacks can be must not have watched the entire video. The last attack they showed was by far the worst in the video. It makes me sick. |
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Hand-thrown fail. Within 25 meters, you are very likely to get peppered by the frags off the back. Dumb design except for ill-trained, expendable troops. And because it requires a LOT of training, poor for them too.
Sure, it is a feared weapon. But also one that can be protected against. The regular stand-off measures like grates and fencing are more than adequate. |