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4/27/2013 7:24:02 AM EDT
So a month or so ago i bought a case if 45 auto RWS 230 gr FMJ from PSA.


Well so far i have opened two boxes and out of those two boxes half of the rounds have failed to fire. There is a solid strike on the primer but it does not go boom. if you recycle the round it will go off a second time. I was using a XD 45Auto. I have put WWB, hornady, Federal, Rangers and all kinds of reloads and what ever else i can find. This is the only ammo i can cause a failure with.  I have not tested another firearm as its my only 45. However i can get my hands on a 1911 pretty easy.


I reached out to the OEM through their web form. No response.

I reached out to PSA. Super fast response but they wont take returns on ammo.

I just hit up the OEMs web form again but  not hopeful of a resolution.


Anything else i can do here? I don't reload so pulling and re priming aint exactly on my list of shit i can do.
4/27/2013 9:58:23 AM EDT
[#1]
I have had the same issues.  The primers require strong strikes.
4/27/2013 10:07:58 AM EDT
[#2]
Try saving them for another weapon.

Face it, RWS is rebaging Russian ammo, IIRC and that's like buying a bag of chips, some are going to be smashed and broken and not look like 'chips'.

Chris
4/27/2013 10:18:26 AM EDT
[#3]
What are you shooting it out of OP?  Possibly a weak/old mainspring?  I've never had a problem with their ammo.

ETA> reading if for losers, it's an XD, try it out of a different gun.
4/27/2013 10:18:36 AM EDT
[#4]
Try it in a standard 1911.  Not some sissified target gun or something with a light trigger pull.  Something in military configuration.

The primers may be too hard for a striker fired gun.

Or just sell at a loss to a reloader or with the note that it has subgun primers.
4/27/2013 10:20:02 AM EDT
[#5]
It's pretty well known that RWS/RUAG ammo has hard primers.



See if you can trade with someone who has a 1911.



Their ammo doesn't work well with striker fired pistols, but works great with hammer fired ones.



I bought a case of it from them on Black Friday last year and it works great in my Ruger P90.
4/27/2013 10:22:41 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Try saving them for another weapon.

Face it, RWS is rebaging Russian ammo, IIRC and that's like buying a bag of chips, some are going to be smashed and broken and not look like 'chips'.

Chris


 RWS is Ruag, a Swiss ammo company.

The problem is that their ammo is NATO spec: IE, hard primers suitable for military handguns and SMGs.


delemorte
 you need to test it in a pistol that has a heavy hammer spring to find out what's going on.
4/27/2013 10:25:26 AM EDT
[#7]
Modern American handguns rarely test to the "all fire" firing pin protrusion standard and American companies usually use soft cheap primer cups, so it works out.

You have Mil Spec primers in a weak firing system.
4/27/2013 10:38:03 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Try saving them for another weapon.

Face it, RWS is rebaging Russian ammo, IIRC and that's like buying a bag of chips, some are going to be smashed and broken and not look like 'chips'.

Chris


 RWS is Ruag, a Swiss ammo company.

The problem is that their ammo is NATO spec: IE, hard primers suitable for military handguns and SMGs.


delemorte
 you need to test it in a pistol that has a heavy hammer spring to find out what's going on.


RWS doesn't make pistol ammo in Germany, in house.

http://rws-munition.de/en.html

I know all about RUAG and Swiss P ammo, but this ain't that.  I also know that they source their ammo from various countries, Russia being one of them, IIRC.  Whether the primers are more, or less sensitive, I can't say regarding the stuff OP is shooting.

Anyhow, he should save the ones that don't go bang, for another weapon.

Chris



4/27/2013 10:41:04 AM EDT
[#9]
I've shot lots of RWS (made in Hungry)  .38 FMJ through my GP100 with no issues.
4/27/2013 10:55:17 AM EDT
[#10]
My lgs has a ton of RWS all the sudden. Not I the orange and black boxes but red and  black and writting that looks like russian style english. They have 9mm 38 9mm short (380). Prices were $20 per box of 9mm. I passed

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4/27/2013 11:35:19 AM EDT
[#11]
thanks guys. Ill throw this threw a gi 1911 and see what happens. I had never heard of it but some googleing said it was AOK.. maybe they have changed.
4/27/2013 11:38:57 AM EDT
[#12]
I've had the same issue with RWS ammo.......
4/27/2013 11:55:44 AM EDT
[#13]
in a XD check to see if your spring (mainspring) is backwards. my buddy had a similar issue and he put his gun together backwards i believe.
4/27/2013 1:08:38 PM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
in a XD check to see if your spring (mainspring) is backwards. my buddy had a similar issue and he put his gun together backwards i believe.


ive never pulled it apart. ( i assume you mean the striker spring and not the guide rod spring)



I found a heavier striker spring for 7 bucks. Says specifically for hard primers. Is that gonna be an issue? for  7 bucks could be worth a try.
5/5/2013 4:52:59 AM EDT
[#15]
Stronger striker spring did not fix this. However a gi 1911 ate it no problems.. looks like I got to buy a 1911 now..

Damn
5/5/2013 8:54:19 AM EDT
[#16]
I bought a few boxes through PSA a few months ago. I just got to the range and had three FtF in a G30 out of 50.
They fired on the second go through.
5/5/2013 9:10:04 AM EDT
[#17]
Sue PSA? implied warranty of merchantability, UCC 2-315
5/5/2013 3:33:38 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
I bought a few boxes through PSA a few months ago. I just got to the range and had three FtF in a G30 out of 50.
They fired on the second go through.


Same thing. Its gonna suck in that striker fired gun.