Posted: 6/18/2005 10:26:36 AM EDT
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If you had to answer this question: Range Policy says "no rifles larger than .22 caliber... exception, with prior approval from the range master...". (Any pistol caliber is OK whether it's a duty pistol or not) The range master that works when I am available to shoot interprets that to mean nothing bigger than 22LR. But 17HMR, 17 Rem, 20BR, etc are ok since the diameter is .22 or less. Other range masters are less restrictive since Policy says they can make exceptions as they see fit. ____________________________________________________________________________ With that question, is .223, or .22-250 etc allowed or not on that range. Or as the range master says, do you read .22 caliber, as .22 LR, or .22 rimfire? |
Where's the "ambigous, confusing, and open to interpretation" option?  IMHO - .223 is bigger than .22 by .003 splitting hairs, yes. But, what is THEIR definition of 'bigger'. Do they round up?  But what you/we need to know is the INTENT behind the policy. Is it velocity, terminal ballistics, decibels? WTF? 
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It was a question brought up on GlockTalk. He describes the range etc. I think "larger than .22 caliber" means anything bigger than .22 LR. Which I tak to mean anything that has a larger loaded cartridge, more power, velocity, etc. etc. He wants to argue it. he has been told NO by the rangemaster. glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=95c5a294e04a15f5028c6190d2c7e707&threadid=394586&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=1 |
It isn't me, it is from a thread on GlockTalk. The range master was asked, he says ".22 caliber" is .22 LR so .223 isn't allowed. The guy that started the thread continues to argue that .22 caliber allows .223............ |
I couldn't agree more. This is a shooting range we're talking about. They have every right to set rules, just as you have every right to suggest a different interpretation. The difference between effects in .22LR and .223 is drastic, so why pretend to not understand this. |
I'm saying ".22 caliber" doesn't allow .223. I also say that since the Range Master has said NO the answer is NO. He continues to argue. I told him the matter was resolved when the Range Master says no, and any arguement that he makes is "splitting hairs". I wanted to post the question here to see if others interpreted "larger than .22 caliber" to mean bigger than .22 LR. Just a little reality check. I ain't picking a fight with the Range Master. |
| I say .223 is ok. They say no larger then .22, that is to two decimal places, and if your only going to two decimal places .223 is the same. Now if they said no larger then .220, well then your screwed. The bullet diameter of a .22LR is .222. Am I spliting hairs here? Sure, but they wrote the sign. |
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What about a 5.45x39 AK? That works out to ~ .21 cal......... Most indoor ranges I've seen don't allow centerfire rifle cartridges no matter what caliber. A carbine that fires pistol ammo is OK though (9mm AR15, Uzi or HK94, .357 or .44mag levergun, etc). M1 carbine might be a bit iffy, though I'm sure they'd have no problem with an AMT-III or Ruger Blackwawk chambered for the same round. A pistol that fires rifle cartridges wouldn't be OK though (no 5.56 AR15 pistol, .45-70 Thompson-Contender, AMD-65 or Krinkov "pistol", Remington XP-100 or the like). |
+1 Range Officers aren’t always the most articulate people in the world. OTOH, the guy arguing the point is also being a bit anal! Actually, we’ve got a 50-yard indoor range here that allows centerfire rifles (up to .460 Weatherby!) with no major problems. Admittedly, it is pretty noisy at times. |
+1. It's not about "splitting hairs"... 223 is a *lot* harder on backstops than .22 LR or .17 HMR. A range down the street from me is currently evaluating if they can do .223, but even frangibles were chewing up the backstop at an unacceptable pace. |