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Posted: 7/18/2023 1:19:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as your presentation is good, window size is not an issue. Yep that’s why every competition shooter uses an RMR. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 4:22:59 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you find the other closed version patent… You seem to know something, care to share? |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 5:30:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to throw shade, but when people complain about the tint on the RMR, it makes wonder if they are actually shooting both eyes open/target focus. If you use the phrase “looking through” when referring to optics on pistols it sounds like you are doing it wrong Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As long as it doesn’t look like I’m staring at the world through a windex bottle it solves my complaints about the RMR Not to throw shade, but when people complain about the tint on the RMR, it makes wonder if they are actually shooting both eyes open/target focus. If you use the phrase “looking through” when referring to optics on pistols it sounds like you are doing it wrong Yeah. Both eyes open, focused on the target, the dot gets superimposed. For whatever reason I’m super sensitive to it and the RMR is probably the worst RDS on the market when it comes to notch filters. I tried to run one as a primary on a carbine and couldn’t get past it. Switching to and eotech or Aimpoint t2 was the fix. I haven’t spent much time with a SRO but from what I remember it was better. My speculation is the ability to easily change batteries makes trijicon put less emphasis on battery life. I’d gladly take a big reduction in battery life for a clear window. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 5:44:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah. Both eyes open, focused on the target, the dot gets superimposed. For whatever reason I’m super sensitive to it and the RMR is probably the worst RDS on the market when it comes to notch filters. I tried to run one as a primary on a carbine and couldn’t get past it. Switching to and eotech or Aimpoint t2 was the fix. I haven’t spent much time with a SRO but from what I remember it was better. My speculation is the ability to easily change batteries makes trijicon put less emphasis on battery life. I’d gladly take a big reduction in battery life for a clear window. Fair enough. If you wanted to for S&Gs, tape the front lens with blue painters tape and see if you can still target focus with both eyes open. Some people this just doesn’t work, you be one of those people where your eyes naturally focus on the dot/obscured area which the tint may force your eye to focus on. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 6:10:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s literally an RMR with SRO sized glass and all the top load, sealed bottoms, 06 type buttons we have been looking for…but wait there is more…coming…someone at Trijicon is listening Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: New retical, top mount battery, larger buttons and front facing light sensor. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_2957-2888059.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_2958-2888060.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_2959-2888061.jpg Is this a super sized RMR? It’s literally an RMR with SRO sized glass and all the top load, sealed bottoms, 06 type buttons we have been looking for…but wait there is more…coming…someone at Trijicon is listening Gigitty |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 7:01:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair enough. If you wanted to for S&Gs, tape the front lens with blue painters tape and see if you can still target focus with both eyes open. Some people this just doesn’t work, you be one of those people where your eyes naturally focus on the dot/obscured area which the tint may force your eye to focus on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah. Both eyes open, focused on the target, the dot gets superimposed. For whatever reason I’m super sensitive to it and the RMR is probably the worst RDS on the market when it comes to notch filters. I tried to run one as a primary on a carbine and couldn’t get past it. Switching to and eotech or Aimpoint t2 was the fix. I haven’t spent much time with a SRO but from what I remember it was better. My speculation is the ability to easily change batteries makes trijicon put less emphasis on battery life. I’d gladly take a big reduction in battery life for a clear window. Fair enough. If you wanted to for S&Gs, tape the front lens with blue painters tape and see if you can still target focus with both eyes open. Some people this just doesn’t work, you be one of those people where your eyes naturally focus on the dot/obscured area which the tint may force your eye to focus on. I’ll give it a shot. I’ve had good luck with a 3x ACOG and using the Bindon aiming concept but almost feel like that’s easier because each eye is seeing something totally different. Instead they see pretty much the same just through a blue haze and maybe that’s where my brain gets hung up. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 7:04:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair enough. If you wanted to for S&Gs, tape the front lens with blue painters tape and see if you can still target focus with both eyes open. Some people this just doesn’t work, you be one of those people where your eyes naturally focus on the dot/obscured area which the tint may force your eye to focus on. Couldn’t that just be a training issue? I’m sure any of us can retrain our eyes to focus differently. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 7:10:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll give it a shot. I’ve had good luck with a 3x ACOG and using the Bindon aiming concept but almost feel like that’s easier because each eye is seeing something totally different. Instead they see pretty much the same just through a blue haze and maybe that’s where my brain gets hung up. Umm, what? It's the same as the ACOG, your non-dominant eye shouldn't be looking through the optic. Not even sure how that's possible. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 7:27:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll give it a shot. I’ve had good luck with a 3x ACOG and using the Bindon aiming concept but almost feel like that’s easier because each eye is seeing something totally different. Instead they see pretty much the same just through a blue haze and maybe that’s where my brain gets hung up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah. Both eyes open, focused on the target, the dot gets superimposed. For whatever reason I’m super sensitive to it and the RMR is probably the worst RDS on the market when it comes to notch filters. I tried to run one as a primary on a carbine and couldn’t get past it. Switching to and eotech or Aimpoint t2 was the fix. I haven’t spent much time with a SRO but from what I remember it was better. My speculation is the ability to easily change batteries makes trijicon put less emphasis on battery life. I’d gladly take a big reduction in battery life for a clear window. Fair enough. If you wanted to for S&Gs, tape the front lens with blue painters tape and see if you can still target focus with both eyes open. Some people this just doesn’t work, you be one of those people where your eyes naturally focus on the dot/obscured area which the tint may force your eye to focus on. I’ll give it a shot. I’ve had good luck with a 3x ACOG and using the Bindon aiming concept but almost feel like that’s easier because each eye is seeing something totally different. Instead they see pretty much the same just through a blue haze and maybe that’s where my brain gets hung up. When I'm dry firing targets "at further distances" (just smaller in reality) I've had issues at times with my focus shifting to the dot. I did dot occlusion for a week during dryfire and it definitely let's you know when you shift your focus. It can be a good training aid. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 7:27:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn’t that just be a training issue? I’m sure any of us can retrain our eyes to focus differently. It's a training aid to help you remain target focused. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 9:00:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couldn’t that just be a training issue? I’m sure any of us can retrain our eyes to focus differently. There is a small percentage of people who when the dominant eye sees the obscured lens the non-dominant automatically focuses on it. BAC does not work for them. Maybe less than 5% based on my experience. You can try working with them but it just isn’t going to happen. IMHO |
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Posted: 7/19/2023 12:57:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I'm dry firing targets "at further distances" (just smaller in reality) I've had issues at times with my focus shifting to the dot. I did dot occlusion for a week during dryfire and it definitely let's you know when you shift your focus. It can be a good training aid. Mine stays covered 100% of the time, even in matches. It works for me. My belief is that if you’re target focused like you should be, whether or not the front of the optic is covered is irrelevant. But for me I find it helps to “force” me to focus correctly. And even then sometimes I don’t. Still working on it. |
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Posted: 7/19/2023 6:35:26 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a small percentage of people who when the dominant eye sees the obscured lens the non-dominant automatically focuses on it. BAC does not work for them. Maybe less than 5% based on my experience. You can try working with them but it just isn’t going to happen. IMHO I shoot with a guy like this. Right handed, left eye dominant. The slight head cant for the dominant eye to pick up the target/dot is just enough to bring his non dominant eye out of line enough this doesn't work for him. It took me forever to figure out why he couldn't pick up target focus with an occluded lens until he told me he was left eye dominant. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 5:37:33 AM EST
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Crawled out from under my rock today, and learned that Glock has been making optic-specific cuts at the factory.
Link to an article about the various cuts available Of course, as is typical of Glock, they're not for sale to dirty civilians, they're only selling them in bulk to agencies. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 6:53:58 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Crawled out from under my rock today, and learned that Glock has been making optic-specific cuts at the factory. Link to an article about the various cuts available Of course, as is typical of Glock, they're not for sale to dirty civilians, they're only selling them in bulk to agencies. It only makes sense, really. A department buying 500 pistols cut for the same optic is one thing. Distributors and dealers trying to stock 3-4 different optic cuts for a dozen different models is quite another. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 9:51:22 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It only makes sense, really. A department buying 500 pistols cut for the same optic is one thing. Distributors and dealers trying to stock 3-4 different optic cuts for a dozen different models is quite another. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Crawled out from under my rock today, and learned that Glock has been making optic-specific cuts at the factory. Link to an article about the various cuts available Of course, as is typical of Glock, they're not for sale to dirty civilians, they're only selling them in bulk to agencies. It only makes sense, really. A department buying 500 pistols cut for the same optic is one thing. Distributors and dealers trying to stock 3-4 different optic cuts for a dozen different models is quite another. Doesn’t need to be a standard stocked item, I’d just like the option of placing an order for whenever there’s a production run of the model in question. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 10:43:31 AM EST
[#17]
A standardized mounting footprint would literally solve all these problems
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Posted: 7/21/2023 10:58:16 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:. Yep that’s why every competition shooter uses an RMR. 
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Posted: 7/21/2023 4:40:37 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A standardized mounting footprint would literally solve all these problems Hey-hey-hey! Don't you go making sense like that, you're gonna get someone in trouble. Like with Mlok vs Keymod, eventually one pattern will win out. I'm hoping for the Acro cut, or something similar to become standard, it's narrow enough to work on slimmer slides, avoids conflicting with different design internals, and a crossbolt/clamp makes more sense than the studs and screws. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 4:48:40 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep that’s why every competition shooter uses an RMR. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As long as your presentation is good, window size is not an issue. Yep that’s why every competition shooter uses an RMR. How well does a Delta Point Pro handle dropped? |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 5:54:22 PM EST
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Posted: 7/22/2023 11:11:14 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How well does a Delta Point Pro handle dropped? It crumbles like a collage student exposed to a new opinion. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 11:31:43 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It crumbles like a collage student exposed to a new opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How well does a Delta Point Pro handle dropped? It crumbles like a collage student exposed to a new opinion. Ask any garbage red dot owner to engage in a a drop competition until one fails and they quickly retreat back to China. We finish when one breaks, not until then. One foot at a time onto concrete or asphalt. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 1:06:45 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It crumbles like a collage student exposed to a new opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How well does a Delta Point Pro handle dropped? It crumbles like a collage student exposed to a new opinion.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 2:24:14 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It crumbles like a collage student exposed to a new opinion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How well does a Delta Point Pro handle dropped? It crumbles like a collage student exposed to a new opinion. Bigger window vs more durable/reliable? Yeah I will take durability and reliability every day of the week. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 4:53:38 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask any garbage red dot owner to engage in a a drop competition until one fails and they quickly retreat back to China. We finish when one breaks, not until then. One foot at a time onto concrete or asphalt. There’s a lot to like about the DPP, but in typical Leopold fashion they fucked it up. It has nice, clear glass and a large window. But….. The adjustment button is right in the way so you can’t just it and see the reticle. The Gen 1 had the battery connections secured with fucking tape. T A P E. On an application meant to deal with hundreds of G’s. Since been fixed but WTF? Durability is meh. I broke one dropping it onto a carpeted floor from like stomach height. Then again I dropped one onto gravel from chest height and it was fine. Reticles are ok. I really like the original “7.5 MOA” triangle for Steel Challenge. But that’s only because it’s not 7.5 MOA. The base of the triangle is 21” at 100 yards. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 4:59:26 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s a lot to like about the DPP, but in typical Leopold fashion they fucked it up. It has nice, clear glass and a large window. But….. The adjustment button is right in the way so you can’t just it and see the reticle. The Gen 1 had the battery connections secured with fucking tape. T A P E. On an application meant to deal with hundreds of G’s. Since been fixed but WTF? Durability is meh. I broke one dropping it onto a carpeted floor from like stomach height. Then again I dropped one onto gravel from chest height and it was fine. Reticles are ok. I really like the original “7.5 MOA” triangle for Steel Challenge. But that’s only because it’s not 7.5 MOA. The base of the triangle is 21” at 100 yards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ask any garbage red dot owner to engage in a a drop competition until one fails and they quickly retreat back to China. We finish when one breaks, not until then. One foot at a time onto concrete or asphalt. There’s a lot to like about the DPP, but in typical Leopold fashion they fucked it up. It has nice, clear glass and a large window. But….. The adjustment button is right in the way so you can’t just it and see the reticle. The Gen 1 had the battery connections secured with fucking tape. T A P E. On an application meant to deal with hundreds of G’s. Since been fixed but WTF? Durability is meh. I broke one dropping it onto a carpeted floor from like stomach height. Then again I dropped one onto gravel from chest height and it was fine. Reticles are ok. I really like the original “7.5 MOA” triangle for Steel Challenge. But that’s only because it’s not 7.5 MOA. The base of the triangle is 21” at 100 yards. Sir I'm trying to get people to destroy their trash voluntarily by issuing a challenge |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 5:11:06 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sir I'm trying to get people to destroy their trash voluntarily by issuing a challenge Ohhhhhh In that case I’m in. |
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Posted: 7/22/2023 7:51:27 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sir I'm trying to get people to destroy their trash voluntarily by issuing a challenge Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ask any garbage red dot owner to engage in a a drop competition until one fails and they quickly retreat back to China. We finish when one breaks, not until then. One foot at a time onto concrete or asphalt. There’s a lot to like about the DPP, but in typical Leopold fashion they fucked it up. It has nice, clear glass and a large window. But….. The adjustment button is right in the way so you can’t just it and see the reticle. The Gen 1 had the battery connections secured with fucking tape. T A P E. On an application meant to deal with hundreds of G’s. Since been fixed but WTF? Durability is meh. I broke one dropping it onto a carpeted floor from like stomach height. Then again I dropped one onto gravel from chest height and it was fine. Reticles are ok. I really like the original “7.5 MOA” triangle for Steel Challenge. But that’s only because it’s not 7.5 MOA. The base of the triangle is 21” at 100 yards. Sir I'm trying to get people to destroy their trash voluntarily by issuing a challenge Sig Romeo 1 Pro Master Race 
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Posted: 7/22/2023 7:51:59 PM EST
[#30]
JK
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Posted: 7/22/2023 8:19:41 PM EST
[#31]
Swapped the 507k for an EPS on the P-07.
No going back now. Holy shit that's a nice window. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 6:21:04 AM EST
[#32]
What is a red dot? Is it like Luke's light saber?
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Posted: 7/23/2023 7:27:51 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All I have is what’s going around the internet. Looks like a compact holo. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_2962-2888545.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_2963-2888546.jpg I swear they continue to make optics uglier and gayer looking. They just can't stop. |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 4:57:48 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I swear they continue to make optics uglier and gayer looking. They just can't stop. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: All I have is what’s going around the internet. Looks like a compact holo. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_2962-2888545.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/371613/IMG_2963-2888546.jpg I swear they continue to make optics uglier and gayer looking. They just can't stop.  I’m no fan of Eotech but this seems an odd thing to get worked up over…Aside from making the reticle a cock and balls, exactly how does an optic look “gayer”?
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:33:36 PM EST
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:36:49 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryJesus fuck that thing is ugly. Can we stop putting CRT's on top of our pistols. The ACRO was a gay footprint. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:42:46 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryIt looks like they took the RMR, uploaded a screenshot to ms paint, created new lines to make it enclosed, then tossed the battery on top. I'll take 2.  Edit to add details: RMR footprint and deck height is unchanged, no need to change irons from your current rmr. CR2032 battery, six years battery life on setting 5 (10 total settings). Capstan Screw mounting system |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 3:56:25 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus fuck that thing is ugly. Can we stop putting CRT's on top of our pistols. The ACRO was a gay footprint. Yeah it is. From all the enclosed emitter optics, I think the eps looks the best. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:02:43 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m no fan of Eotech but this seems an odd thing to get worked up over…Aside from making the reticle a cock and balls, exactly how does an optic look “gayer”?Why is it an odd thing to get worked over? The optic is hideous. That would negate it from my armory already. I dont care how good something is if it looks bad. It should at least look decent, but the design they went with is the equivalent of some chinese boomer who watched too much future weapons and decided to try his hand at releasing an optic for the American market. Many new optics look ugly and it annoys me. Its just ugly ugly ugly, like new cars. All ugly. There is no sense of aesthetics anymore and it matters. Also I do not want to believe the guy I am discussing this with is the same guy with the one of the most aesthetically pleasing sig xfives ive ever seen (fucking love that thing). You of all people should know. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:09:27 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryWhat scripture is gonna be on it? I found what will be going on my rifle. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:13:56 PM EST
[#41]
Quote History#BULK |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:22:02 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryW8bwtfwhen |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:36:03 PM EST
[#43]
RCR…it is smaller than the Acro, and fits the RMR footprint.
Like was mentioned already same deck Height and they gave us battery on top as eequested |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:39:57 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What scripture is gonna be on it? I found what will be going on my rifle. 2 Kings 2:23-24 |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:46:48 PM EST
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:49:05 PM EST
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:56:39 PM EST
[#47]
now the crowd is demanding closed emitters....
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Posted: 7/24/2023 4:58:16 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryI’ll be a buyer. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 5:17:46 PM EST
[#49]
Keeping the RMR footprint is smart; people won't have to wait for plates to become available or for vendors to start cutting for it.
They seem to have learned from the RMRCC shitshow. Hopefully the screws aren't a failure point. |
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Posted: 7/24/2023 5:29:17 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryWhoa… Real or deepfake? @45-Seventy |
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