[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Revolver challenge (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 3/18/2026 8:18:55 PM EDT
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Here is the challenge. Find an example of an ordinary citizen who was killed or injured after shooting his revolver empty in a CCW encounter. Definitions: “Ordinary citizen” means not a cop, soldier, security guard, criminal street gang member, ect, “CCW encounter” means concealed carry gun in a public place. Not home defense, not business defense, not law enforcement. Stuff like ATM hold ups, carjacking, mugging, assaults in transitional spaces qualify. What are transitional spaces? Parking lot, parking garage, sidewalks, alleys. Between your front door and your car and between your car and your workplace. I know of one home defense incident where the home owner emptied his revolver and then was killed. But that was home defense. He should have had a shotgun or a rifle for that. I’ve never been able to find an example of it occurring in a CCW scenario. |
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Quoted: Why? I was never in a gunfight where I wanted less ammo. Even if "statistically" I only need 3-4 rounds, I'm going to have all the ammo. And reloads. Find a non-police civilian lawful defense shoot in which the good guy reloaded & fired a shot from the 2nd mag. |
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Quoted: Find a non-police civilian lawful defense shoot in which the good guy reloaded & fired a shot from the 2nd mag. Quoted: Quoted: Why? I was never in a gunfight where I wanted less ammo. Even if "statistically" I only need 3-4 rounds, I'm going to have all the ammo. And reloads. Find a non-police civilian lawful defense shoot in which the good guy reloaded & fired a shot from the 2nd mag. I’ve looked and have not found one yet. One of my students emptied his mag and then stomped on the guys head. Whether the guy was still alive at that point was the subject of a civil trial. |
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This ought to be really good. A lot of members here love to champion the idea of firearm ownership, especially around revolvers and will actually praise one another for it. However, if you mention in a thread of the idea of carrying a revolver as EDC or CCW in general, you will be rode out of town on a rail because you don’t have 87 reloads for a 50 round drum in your Glock 19 that you should have already been carrying. You’re also not allowed to carry a revolver as EDC here unless you’re Jerry Miculek and participate in no less than a dozen competitions a week. |
What if there are SIX snakes?
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I had Grok Ai find this incident for me. This guy was off-duty and under no obligation to help. But from what I understand, the suspect was about to execute these hostages. I’m sure this won’t meet your limited requirement though, because technically he’s LE. Personally, I don’t care what someone wants to carry. If they’re comfortable with a 5 shot, or even a 2 shot derringer, that’s up to them. But I prefer more ammo in a gun. Even the other thread were the guy had to shoot 2 dogs and was “down to 1 round” for the owner, just reconfirms my choice. What if the third dog engaged? What if the 4 shots fired didn’t stop those dogs? Here’s the incident. My buddy put on a training class with the surviving Deputy and shared the story with me. It happened on March 30, 1996, in the parking lot of a Circuit City store in Palm Desert, California (Riverside County, but involving a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputy). The off-duty deputy was Jason Hendrix from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office. He was shopping with his fiancée when suspect Robert Ripley (armed with a Glock 17) exited the store holding two hostages (a man and his ex-wife), threatening to “blow his head off.” Hendrix drew his off-duty gun—a snub-nosed Smith & Wesson Model 36 .38 Special five-shot revolver he’d grabbed from his fiancée’s purse and stashed in his back pocket. He engaged Ripley in a gunfight, firing all five rounds. He hit Ripley four times (including a leg shot that severed the femoral artery), but Ripley kept advancing and firing back. Hendrix ended up on the ground, dropped his now-empty revolver, and Ripley picked it up and shot Hendrix in the right elbow with it (Hendrix was hit a total of seven times but survived by playing dead). That’s when the off-duty CHP officer stepped in: An unarmed off-duty California Highway Patrol (highway patrol) officer tackled Ripley from behind. A store employee joined in, and the two of them physically held/disarmed Ripley on the ground until on-duty Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies arrived and took him into custody. Ripley survived (he was sentenced to 32 years and served 28). Hendrix recovered after surgery. |
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Quoted: I had Grok Ai find this incident for me. This guy was off-duty and under no obligation to help. But from what I understand, the suspect was about to execute these hostages. I’m sure this won’t meet your limited requirement though, because technically he’s LE. Personally, I don’t care what someone wants to carry. If they’re comfortable with a 5 shot, or even a 2 shot derringer, that’s up to them. But I prefer more ammo in a gun. Even the other thread were the guy had to shoot 2 dogs and was “down to 1 round” for the owner, just reconfirms my choice. What if the third dog engaged? What if the 4 shots fired didn’t stop those dogs? Here’s the incident. My buddy put on a training class with the surviving Deputy and shared the story with me. It happened on March 30, 1996, in the parking lot of a Circuit City store in Palm Desert, California (Riverside County, but involving a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputy). The off-duty deputy was Jason Hendrix from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office. He was shopping with his fiancée when suspect Robert Ripley (armed with a Glock 17) exited the store holding two hostages (a man and his ex-wife), threatening to “blow his head off.” Hendrix drew his off-duty gun—a snub-nosed Smith & Wesson Model 36 .38 Special five-shot revolver he’d grabbed from his fiancée’s purse and stashed in his back pocket. He engaged Ripley in a gunfight, firing all five rounds. He hit Ripley four times (including a leg shot that severed the femoral artery), but Ripley kept advancing and firing back. Hendrix ended up on the ground, dropped his now-empty revolver, and Ripley picked it up and shot Hendrix in the right elbow with it (Hendrix was hit a total of seven times but survived by playing dead). That’s when the off-duty CHP officer stepped in: An unarmed off-duty California Highway Patrol (highway patrol) officer tackled Ripley from behind. A store employee joined in, and the two of them physically held/disarmed Ripley on the ground until on-duty Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies arrived and took him into custody. Ripley survived (he was sentenced to 32 years and served 28). Hendrix recovered after surgery. That makes no sense. How does an off-duty cop get shot with an empty revolver? Grok's making that shit up. |
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Quoted: That makes no sense. How does an off-duty cop get shot with an empty revolver? Grok's making that shit up. Quoted: Quoted: I had Grok Ai find this incident for me. This guy was off-duty and under no obligation to help. But from what I understand, the suspect was about to execute these hostages. I’m sure this won’t meet your limited requirement though, because technically he’s LE. Personally, I don’t care what someone wants to carry. If they’re comfortable with a 5 shot, or even a 2 shot derringer, that’s up to them. But I prefer more ammo in a gun. Even the other thread were the guy had to shoot 2 dogs and was “down to 1 round” for the owner, just reconfirms my choice. What if the third dog engaged? What if the 4 shots fired didn’t stop those dogs? Here’s the incident. My buddy put on a training class with the surviving Deputy and shared the story with me. It happened on March 30, 1996, in the parking lot of a Circuit City store in Palm Desert, California (Riverside County, but involving a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputy). The off-duty deputy was Jason Hendrix from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office. He was shopping with his fiancée when suspect Robert Ripley (armed with a Glock 17) exited the store holding two hostages (a man and his ex-wife), threatening to “blow his head off.” Hendrix drew his off-duty gun—a snub-nosed Smith & Wesson Model 36 .38 Special five-shot revolver he’d grabbed from his fiancée’s purse and stashed in his back pocket. He engaged Ripley in a gunfight, firing all five rounds. He hit Ripley four times (including a leg shot that severed the femoral artery), but Ripley kept advancing and firing back. Hendrix ended up on the ground, dropped his now-empty revolver, and Ripley picked it up and shot Hendrix in the right elbow with it (Hendrix was hit a total of seven times but survived by playing dead). That’s when the off-duty CHP officer stepped in: An unarmed off-duty California Highway Patrol (highway patrol) officer tackled Ripley from behind. A store employee joined in, and the two of them physically held/disarmed Ripley on the ground until on-duty Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies arrived and took him into custody. Ripley survived (he was sentenced to 32 years and served 28). Hendrix recovered after surgery. That makes no sense. How does an off-duty cop get shot with an empty revolver? Grok's making that shit up. I was very literally thinking the same thing |
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Quoted: I had Grok Ai find this incident for me. This guy was off-duty and under no obligation to help. But from what I understand, the suspect was about to execute these hostages. I’m sure this won’t meet your limited requirement though, because technically he’s LE. Personally, I don’t care what someone wants to carry. If they’re comfortable with a 5 shot, or even a 2 shot derringer, that’s up to them. But I prefer more ammo in a gun. Even the other thread were the guy had to shoot 2 dogs and was “down to 1 round” for the owner, just reconfirms my choice. What if the third dog engaged? What if the 4 shots fired didn’t stop those dogs? Here’s the incident. My buddy put on a training class with the surviving Deputy and shared the story with me. It happened on March 30, 1996, in the parking lot of a Circuit City store in Palm Desert, California (Riverside County, but involving a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s deputy). The off-duty deputy was Jason Hendrix from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Office. He was shopping with his fiancée when suspect Robert Ripley (armed with a Glock 17) exited the store holding two hostages (a man and his ex-wife), threatening to “blow his head off.” Hendrix drew his off-duty gun—a snub-nosed Smith & Wesson Model 36 .38 Special five-shot revolver he’d grabbed from his fiancée’s purse and stashed in his back pocket. He engaged Ripley in a gunfight, firing all five rounds. He hit Ripley four times (including a leg shot that severed the femoral artery), but Ripley kept advancing and firing back. Hendrix ended up on the ground, dropped his now-empty revolver, and Ripley picked it up and shot Hendrix in the right elbow with it (Hendrix was hit a total of seven times but survived by playing dead). That’s when the off-duty CHP officer stepped in: An unarmed off-duty California Highway Patrol (highway patrol) officer tackled Ripley from behind. A store employee joined in, and the two of them physically held/disarmed Ripley on the ground until on-duty Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies arrived and took him into custody. Ripley survived (he was sentenced to 32 years and served 28). Hendrix recovered after surgery. Huh? Shot with an empty gun in the elbow. Why was he holding hostages if there were no on duty officers there. |
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Quoted: That makes no sense. How does an off-duty cop get shot with an empty revolver? Grok's making that shit up. Ya, I saw that too. Here’s the article from Police Magazine https://www.policemag.com/articles/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03301996 |
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I was a firm believer that when a victim pulled out a gun that bad guys turned asshoes and elbows. My primary ccw was a shield, I felt good. Then I helped on a robbery call at work a couple years ago. A dancer was being escorted home by a bouncer. At least 3 guys followed them into the car garage and attempted to rob the dancer as they entered the lobby. Two of the BGs made it into the lobby. Both armed with one carrying a glock with a drum mag. The bouncer turned to see the two on the victim, he drew and fired, capped one. The other decided to have a shoot out, shooting back and forth in the lobby. Bouncer had to go thru at least two mags... Meanwhile a third armed badguy was trying to get into the lobby but was locked out. Dancer and bounced survived. Surviving BGs fled. Somehow the bouncer ended up with the glock and drum mag. The whole scenario made me rethink my carry. I finally upped to a Ruger max 9, 12 rounds instead of 8. There was also an arfcommer here who got into a shootout with car thieves that looked like a war zone in front of his house. He emptied his ccw and his wife managed to get an AR brought an AR pistol to him to continue the fight. He also got treated like a dirtbag by the State Attorney's office. |
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Kind of an unfair ask… Today’s world is more violent. You are asking for a data point where few people carry a revolver statistically compared to a semi. Ask for evidence of gunfights involving more than five or six rounds per side. That pretty much fucks the revolver theory. Also, I carry a revolver a fair amount. I don’t pretend it is better in all applications. |
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Quoted: Ya, I saw that too. Here’s the article from Police Magazine https://www.policemag.com/articles/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03301996 Quoted: Quoted: That makes no sense. How does an off-duty cop get shot with an empty revolver? Grok's making that shit up. Ya, I saw that too. Here’s the article from Police Magazine https://www.policemag.com/articles/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03301996 Yeah, also bullshit - they're claiming he was shot w/ an empty revolver. I'm going to say your incident has no credibility whatsoever, and Dean Scoville should be fired for lack of editorial skills. As he dropped his spent revolver to the asphalt, Hendrix could only hope that Ripley might still retain some vestige of humanity and show some mercy. He didn't. Playing Dead Thirty feet away and closing, Ripley continued to fire at Hendrix. The officer could actually see the rounds exiting Ripley's firearm, peppering the asphalt around him. In a bid to protect vital body parts, Hendrix curled up into a fetal position wrapping his arms around his head. Another bullet tore into him, entering his left inner thigh before traversing through his pelvic girdle and out his left hip. Still another round shattered his right cheek. Suddenly, Ripley was right on top of him. Hendrix began to beg and plead with Ripley to please stop shooting him. He told the man that he could go. There was no filter, no false macho bullshit, just a desperate effort to say and do anything that might mitigate his fate. He started to cry, and told Ripley that he wouldn't tell on him. He told him he had a family. He told him that it hurt-all in a desperate hope that some part of the man's humanity might assert itself. Ripley wasn't having any of it. When he did stop firing, it was only to walk over and pick up the officer's handgun off the ground. Then he bent over Hendrix with his own firearm and put it to Hendrix's head. Realizing the cold-blooded bastard was going to execute him, Hendrix raised his arm to cover his face just as Ripley fired. The bullet tore into Hendrix's right elbow and lodged therein. |
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Quoted: My dad carried and killed two with this in Vietnam. And brought the enemy's gun home. ETA notice the two notches on the grip of the Trooper. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/276871/1000001457-3732058.jpg Awesome. |
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Finding an accurate news report about anything is hard enough. An event involving guns; it is impossible. In bullseye it is extremely rare to see someone shoot a better score with revolver than 45. Revolver ergonomics are jacked, double action trigger is much more difficult, and there is no action to mitigate recoil energy. |
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Quoted: My dad carried and killed two with this in Vietnam. And brought the enemy's gun home. ETA notice the two notches on the grip of the Trooper. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/276871/1000001457-3732058.jpg That is badass. |
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Quoted: Yeah, also bullshit - they're claiming he was shot w/ an empty revolver. I'm going to say your incident has no credibility whatsoever, and Dean Scoville should be fired for lack of editorial skills. So Hendrix who told his story to my buddy, made it all up. Gotcha. |
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Quoted: Finding an accurate news report about anything is hard enough. An event involving guns; it is impossible. In bullseye it is extremely rare to see someone shoot a better score with revolver than 45. Revolver ergonomics are jacked, double action trigger is much more difficult, and there is no action mitigate recoil energy. That is why the 686 and some others have a full lug. Also, weights for revolvers is very common. Perhaps the people you are seeing are lacking in knowledge and fundimentals. Even the GIGN use a revolver for sniping at ranges under 100 meters. Attached File |
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Quoted: I was a firm believer that when a victim pulled out a gun that bad guys turned asshoes and elbows. My primary ccw was a shield, I felt good. Then I helped on a robbery call at work a couple years ago. A dancer was being escorted home by a bouncer. At least 3 guys followed them into the car garage and attempted to rob the dancer as they entered the lobby. Two of the BGs made it into the lobby. Both armed with one carrying a glock with a drum mag. The bouncer turned to see the two on the victim, he drew and fired, capped one. The other decided to have a shoot out, shooting back and forth in the lobby. Bouncer had to go thru at least two mags... Meanwhile a third armed badguy was trying to get into the lobby but was locked out. Dancer and bounced survived. Surviving pets fled. Somehow the bouncer ended up with the block and drum mag. The whole scenario made me rethink my carry. I finally upped to a Ruger max 9. There did also an arfcommer here who got into a shootout with car thieves that looked like a war zone in front of his house. How do you like the Max 9? Never handled one but really like my LC9S, Max seems like essentially the same gun with more capacity. |
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Quoted: I carry it occasionally. Good enough for Vietnam, good enough for Montana I figure. Quoted: Quoted: Awesome. I carry it occasionally. Good enough for Vietnam, good enough for Montana I figure. I carry my 4 inch 686 quite often, with two speedloaders. I'm very confident it would serve me well in a shootout. It's been my go to since 1987. |
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Quoted: So Hendrix who told his story to my buddy, made it all up. Gotcha. Quoted: Quoted: Yeah, also bullshit - they're claiming he was shot w/ an empty revolver. I'm going to say your incident has no credibility whatsoever, and Dean Scoville should be fired for lack of editorial skills. So Hendrix who told his story to my buddy, made it all up. Gotcha. Find a report that doesn't involve a cop getting shot w/ an unloaded gun, we might believe you. As presented in both of your referenced accounts, it's impossible. Impossible accounts are not useful to this discussion. |
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Quoted: That is why the 686 and some others have a full lug. Also, weights for revolvers is very common. Perhaps the people you are seeing are lacking in knowledge and fundimentals. Even the GIGN use a revolver for sniping at ranges under 100 meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50096/Screenshot_20260318-223915_Chrome_jpg-3732070.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Finding an accurate news report about anything is hard enough. An event involving guns; it is impossible. In bullseye it is extremely rare to see someone shoot a better score with revolver than 45. Revolver ergonomics are jacked, double action trigger is much more difficult, and there is no action mitigate recoil energy. That is why the 686 and some others have a full lug. Also, weights for revolvers is very common. Perhaps the people you are seeing are lacking in knowledge and fundimentals. Even the GIGN use a revolver for sniping at ranges under 100 meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50096/Screenshot_20260318-223915_Chrome_jpg-3732070.JPG I would love a chance to shoot that bottom one. |
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Carrying any gun that works reliably and that you can shoot well is going to be enough 99% of the time. But rationalizing a revolver for CCW is getting pretty hard these days. Capacity may be the biggest issue, but they're also expensive, they get bulky and heavy quick, and getting one with good sights and features costs even more money. The Ruger LCP Max shows up in the $200 range now, you can carry that in a 12+1 configuration, and it has better sights than almost all of the small revolvers on the market. The S&W Bodyguard 2.0 is more expensive, and yet, it still undercuts most of the pocket revolvers in cost. The next step up in revolvers would be something like the King Cobras, K6s, and SDRs. Those hold 6 rounds of .357, but they carry like a micro that holds ~15 rounds of 9mm. You can also get a micro with a RDS for the price of these guns. The next step up from that is a K-frame. A 2.75" 66 is about the same size as a G17, but it's much heavier. Revolvers make me happy, and I wouldn't feel inadequately armed carrying one, but it's getting very hard to make it make sense unless you're somewhere where 4 legged threats are more likely than 2 legged threats. |
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Quoted: Yeah, also bullshit - they're claiming he was shot w/ an empty revolver. I'm going to say your incident has no credibility whatsoever, and Dean Scoville should be fired for lack of editorial skills. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That makes no sense. How does an off-duty cop get shot with an empty revolver? Grok's making that shit up. Ya, I saw that too. Here’s the article from Police Magazine https://www.policemag.com/articles/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03301996 Yeah, also bullshit - they're claiming he was shot w/ an empty revolver. I'm going to say your incident has no credibility whatsoever, and Dean Scoville should be fired for lack of editorial skills. As he dropped his spent revolver to the asphalt, Hendrix could only hope that Ripley might still retain some vestige of humanity and show some mercy. He didn't. Playing Dead Thirty feet away and closing, Ripley continued to fire at Hendrix. The officer could actually see the rounds exiting Ripley's firearm, peppering the asphalt around him. In a bid to protect vital body parts, Hendrix curled up into a fetal position wrapping his arms around his head. Another bullet tore into him, entering his left inner thigh before traversing through his pelvic girdle and out his left hip. Still another round shattered his right cheek. Suddenly, Ripley was right on top of him. Hendrix began to beg and plead with Ripley to please stop shooting him. He told the man that he could go. There was no filter, no false macho bullshit, just a desperate effort to say and do anything that might mitigate his fate. He started to cry, and told Ripley that he wouldn't tell on him. He told him he had a family. He told him that it hurt-all in a desperate hope that some part of the man's humanity might assert itself. Ripley wasn't having any of it. When he did stop firing, it was only to walk over and pick up the officer's handgun off the ground. Then he bent over Hendrix with his own firearm and put it to Hendrix's head. Realizing the cold-blooded bastard was going to execute him, Hendrix raised his arm to cover his face just as Ripley fired. The bullet tore into Hendrix's right elbow and lodged therein. While it could have been written more clearly, "Ripley wasn't having any of it. When he did stop firing, it was only to walk over and pick up the officer's handgun off the ground. Then he bent over Hendrix with his own firearm and put it to Hendrix's head." is still pretty obvious from those sentences that the officer's gun was empty, the bad guy walked over and picked it up then used his own gun to shoot the officer again. The author's sentence structure as well as his use of the officer's thoughts in the narrative makes it confusing. |
| I have a safe full of pistols. I used to carry a high capacity setup like a Glock or beretta. Now with my boring job that is not openly gun friendly, that has me lifting stuff and putting stuff up out in the public retail stores, I try to carry as concealed as possible. I work in a tshirt or polo. My 642 in a pocket holster is what I use. I carry a speed loader and one speed strip in my other pocket. I go about my day without a worry. And I’m comfortable. As opposed to having my Glock 19 with red dot and weapon light jammed in my crotch area all day. If it was my day off and I was to go to a big city I would carry my glock 19 with spare mags. I live in a small town with decently lower crime. Home before dark. A j frame is perfect for me and my lifestyle. Practice and knowing its limitations helps also. If I was worried in my small town I would maybe carry my 43x. But Again, the 642 works for me |
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Having watched decades of shooting footage of all kinds, the only constant I really ever saw is "it wasn't gonna happen like they expected it to happen." My two favorites: Two "yutes" at point blank distance both emptied Glocks from a duck and cover stance with zero hits. When they both realized nobody got shot, they both ran off. Guy robbing a jewelry store with a revolver and the little girl that he was smacking in the face with the gun just wasn't putting shit in a bag fast enough so he pointed it right at her, pulled the trigger and click. Then confused he turned the gun around so he could look down the barrel, pulled the trigger again and BANG. My best advice is the people who will kill you, really don't mind killing you. They have no ethical hurdle to overcome before pulling the trigger. It's a damn hard game of "catch up ball" to play and win so train for that. Most of the time it happens fast. Situational awareness and seeing it coming are probably more important than how many spare mags you have. Being the guy who WILL fight as soon as somebody calls "game on" is probably the second most important thing. I've seen the bag guys win because the good guys were still doing "I don't believe this is happening." Even happens to LEOs from time to time. |
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Quoted: Find a non-police civilian lawful defense shoot in which the good guy reloaded & fired a shot from the 2nd mag. Quoted: Quoted: Why? I was never in a gunfight where I wanted less ammo. Even if "statistically" I only need 3-4 rounds, I'm going to have all the ammo. And reloads. Find a non-police civilian lawful defense shoot in which the good guy reloaded & fired a shot from the 2nd mag. No honest man needs more than 10 rounds, right? Attached File |
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Quoted: No honest man needs more than 10 rounds, right? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/110515/IMG_8646_jpeg-3732096.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why? I was never in a gunfight where I wanted less ammo. Even if "statistically" I only need 3-4 rounds, I'm going to have all the ammo. And reloads. Find a non-police civilian lawful defense shoot in which the good guy reloaded & fired a shot from the 2nd mag. No honest man needs more than 10 rounds, right? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/110515/IMG_8646_jpeg-3732096.JPG No. My point is that we don't have a record of a good shoot by a non-police civilian in which a 2nd magazine was needed - whether 5 rounds, 10 rounds, 17 rounds. |
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Quoted: True. In general, though, I like this policy: 'hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.' Quoted: Quoted: Most of what we worry about in self defense never occurs. True. In general, though, I like this policy: 'hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.' Sure. But are you better off carrying two spare mags or two tourniquets? 3 mags, 3 tourniquets, and a snake bite kit? 2 mags, 1 tourniquet, and a tiny fire extinguisher? These things keep me up at night. 
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Quoted: Sure. But are you better off carrying two spare mags or two tourniquets? 3 mags, 3 tourniquets, and a snake bite kit? 2 mags, 1 tourniquet, and a tiny fire extinguisher? These things keep me up at night. To me, if I have to die, I want to be surrounded by brass and bodies. |
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Quoted: That is why the 686 and some others have a full lug. Also, weights for revolvers is very common. Perhaps the people you are seeing are lacking in knowledge and fundimentals. Even the GIGN use a revolver for sniping at ranges under 100 meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50096/Screenshot_20260318-223915_Chrome_jpg-3732070.JPG Quoted: Quoted: Finding an accurate news report about anything is hard enough. An event involving guns; it is impossible. In bullseye it is extremely rare to see someone shoot a better score with revolver than 45. Revolver ergonomics are jacked, double action trigger is much more difficult, and there is no action mitigate recoil energy. That is why the 686 and some others have a full lug. Also, weights for revolvers is very common. Perhaps the people you are seeing are lacking in knowledge and fundimentals. Even the GIGN use a revolver for sniping at ranges under 100 meters. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/50096/Screenshot_20260318-223915_Chrome_jpg-3732070.JPG Shooting 92% will win the revolver EIC at the national matches, 97% to win the NTI service pistol match. Same targets, same people (including several olympians), revolver scores are lower because they are harder to shoot, even for the best shooters. |
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Quoted: While it could have been written more clearly, "Ripley wasn't having any of it. When he did stop firing, it was only to walk over and pick up the officer's handgun off the ground. Then he bent over Hendrix with his own firearm and put it to Hendrix's head." is still pretty obvious from those sentences that the officer's gun was empty, the bad guy walked over and picked it up then used his own gun to shoot the officer again. The author's sentence structure as well as his use of the officer's thoughts in the narrative makes it confusing. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That makes no sense. How does an off-duty cop get shot with an empty revolver? Grok's making that shit up. Ya, I saw that too. Here’s the article from Police Magazine https://www.policemag.com/articles/shots-fired-palm-desert-california-03301996 Yeah, also bullshit - they're claiming he was shot w/ an empty revolver. I'm going to say your incident has no credibility whatsoever, and Dean Scoville should be fired for lack of editorial skills. As he dropped his spent revolver to the asphalt, Hendrix could only hope that Ripley might still retain some vestige of humanity and show some mercy. He didn't. Playing Dead Thirty feet away and closing, Ripley continued to fire at Hendrix. The officer could actually see the rounds exiting Ripley's firearm, peppering the asphalt around him. In a bid to protect vital body parts, Hendrix curled up into a fetal position wrapping his arms around his head. Another bullet tore into him, entering his left inner thigh before traversing through his pelvic girdle and out his left hip. Still another round shattered his right cheek. Suddenly, Ripley was right on top of him. Hendrix began to beg and plead with Ripley to please stop shooting him. He told the man that he could go. There was no filter, no false macho bullshit, just a desperate effort to say and do anything that might mitigate his fate. He started to cry, and told Ripley that he wouldn't tell on him. He told him he had a family. He told him that it hurt-all in a desperate hope that some part of the man's humanity might assert itself. Ripley wasn't having any of it. When he did stop firing, it was only to walk over and pick up the officer's handgun off the ground. Then he bent over Hendrix with his own firearm and put it to Hendrix's head. Realizing the cold-blooded bastard was going to execute him, Hendrix raised his arm to cover his face just as Ripley fired. The bullet tore into Hendrix's right elbow and lodged therein. While it could have been written more clearly, "Ripley wasn't having any of it. When he did stop firing, it was only to walk over and pick up the officer's handgun off the ground. Then he bent over Hendrix with his own firearm and put it to Hendrix's head." is still pretty obvious from those sentences that the officer's gun was empty, the bad guy walked over and picked it up then used his own gun to shoot the officer again. The author's sentence structure as well as his use of the officer's thoughts in the narrative makes it confusing. It's his use of pronouns that is possibly incorrect. he refers to Ripley. his refers to Hendrix. Given the previously posted account also claimed the officer was shot w/ an empty gun, I'll wait for more confirmation of this Black Swan event. |
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Quoted: Having watched decades of shooting footage of all kinds, the only constant I really ever saw is "it wasn't gonna happen like they expected it to happen”. I've seen the bag guys win because the good guys were still doing "I don't believe this is happening." Even happens to LEOs from time to time. Most handgun shooters believe “SHTF” will be no different than shooting slow-fire bullseyes with their RDS. In reality, they’ll likely not even see their RDS, let alone sight with it when faced with imminent death, and the threat confronting them isn’t a stationary paper/cardboard /steel target. One guy here even posted that he was immune from fear because he “trained through it”. (Presumably at the shooting matches he competed in, and often posted about.) |
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Quoted: To me, if I have to die, I want to be surrounded by brass and bodies. Quoted: Quoted: Sure. But are you better off carrying two spare mags or two tourniquets? 3 mags, 3 tourniquets, and a snake bite kit? 2 mags, 1 tourniquet, and a tiny fire extinguisher? These things keep me up at night. To me, if I have to die, I want to be surrounded by brass and bodies. A lack of tourniquets will do that. |
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I think too many people on this forum define their life on being able to carry an actual firearm. Most would never use one, even when necessary. I don't need a red dot for self defense, but it'd be nice if I was in some type of movie hostage situation. Weapon mounted lights are more useful. I love revolvers, 1911's, and Glocks. I carry what I feel is adequate for the day. Current revolver preference is the model 69 and 60. Has anyone mentioned "It's your funeral " yet |
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Quoted: While it could have been written more clearly, "Ripley wasn't having any of it. When he did stop firing, it was only to walk over and pick up the officer's handgun off the ground. Then he bent over Hendrix with his own firearm and put it to Hendrix's head." is still pretty obvious from those sentences that the officer's gun was empty, the bad guy walked over and picked it up then used his own gun to shoot the officer again. The author's sentence structure as well as his use of the officer's thoughts in the narrative makes it confusing. Yeah, after reading the article, it's clear to me that Ripley (the bad guy) didn't shoot Hendrix with Hendrix's empty gun. If OP is trying to justify carrying a revolver, then the question doesn't prove what he thinks it does. The obvious counterexample is Eli Dicken, who shot 10 rounds out of a Glock. Who knows what would have happened if he had been carrying a revolver with or without reloads, but I don't see how it would have gone better.: More examples, including BJ Baldwin's case and a guy who shot robbers with his carry gun as he got home. And before anyone objects, yes the stuntwoman episode is too vague. Revolvers fell out of popularity as the carry revolution started, and self-defense incidents with shots fired are rare enough anyway, so finding any incident that matches this really weird criteria will be hard. I'm also not really sure what the point of excluding people who carry a gun professionally is. Just because I'm a civilian doesn't mean that a Springfield 1903 is just as good as an AR15 for home defense, even though it's statistically very unlikely that I'd have to use either. It's like arguing that having money saved for an emergency is a scam because I can survive living paycheck to paycheck. Use whatever you want but not everything is just as good. |
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Quoted: Most handgun shooters believe “SHTF” will be no different than shooting slow-fire bullseyes with their RDS. In reality, they’ll likely not even see their RDS, let alone sight with it when faced with imminent death, and the threat confronting them isn’t a stationary paper/cardboard /steel target. One guy here even posted that he was immune from fear because he “trained through it”. (Presumably at the shooting matches he competed in, and often posted about.) Please let this turn into a point shooting and/or red dot thread. |