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1/25/2012 4:31:48 AM EDT
I admire that.
Obama pre presidency=1% I don't admire that as he and wookie made a good living.
Biden=369 bucks pre VP=Douche.

As reported on FOX News this AM
1/25/2012 4:32:49 AM EDT
[#1]
FBHO!
1/25/2012 4:34:43 AM EDT
[#2]
Why do you expect them to be generous with their own money?
1/25/2012 4:37:14 AM EDT
[#3]
Reminds me of when that reporter was confronting all the "millionaires" clamoring to be taxed more. They wouldn't individually donate, and insisted that everyone be forced. Bunch of hypocrites.
1/25/2012 4:37:16 AM EDT
[#4]
The problem is that the Democrats want you to give the money to them in the form of taxes and not as charitable contributions.  As taxes they get to decide where your money goes as you are too uninformed and irresponsible to make that decision yourself.

BTW: some of the media is using Romney's gross income and not his taxable income to figure his effective tax rate.  It is all about smearing Romney's image.
1/25/2012 4:38:48 AM EDT
[#5]
fuck 0bama, fuck biden, fuck romney.
1/25/2012 4:41:45 AM EDT
[#6]
B-b-b-but he should be paying at least 40% in taxes ... that would be fair .... It's just souless "vulture capitalist" money he pillaged from the retirement accounts of children, grandma and puppies ... He doesn't need all that money, he has enough already.

/sarcasm
1/25/2012 4:43:56 AM EDT
[#7]
Quoted:
BTW: some of the media is using Romney's gross income and not his taxable income to figure his effective tax rate.  It is all about smearing Romney's image.


Isn't that the entire issue?  It's not that he's evaded taxes or anything, but that he "hasn't paid his fair share" because income from investments isn't taxed as much as income from salary or whatever, so he's not wrong, he's just a greedy meany.

You know what really pisses me off?  I can't fucking stand Romney, and all of this bullshit over his tax return is making me sympathetic to him.  It's like I can feel myself turning into a useful idiot.
1/25/2012 4:48:06 AM EDT
[#8]
Isn't it somewhat "required" in the Mormon faith to give 15%?  

Perhaps some of Mormon members will chime in.
1/25/2012 4:49:10 AM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Quoted:
BTW: some of the media is using Romney's gross income and not his taxable income to figure his effective tax rate.  It is all about smearing Romney's image.


Isn't that the entire issue?  It's not that he's evaded taxes or anything, but that he "hasn't paid his fair share" because income from investments isn't taxed as much as income from salary or whatever, so he's not wrong, he's just a greedy meany.

You know what really pisses me off?  I can't fucking stand Romney, and all of this bullshit over his tax return is making me sympathetic to him.  It's like I can feel myself turning into a useful idiot.


He did everything according to the law.  BTW, capital gains are taxed at a lower rate because they create jobs by providing the funding in the form of investment capital; wage income does not.
1/25/2012 4:49:57 AM EDT
[#10]
15%?

Great!!

I still won't vote for him.

1/25/2012 4:54:24 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Isn't it somewhat "required" in the Mormon faith to give 15%?  

Perhaps some of Mormon members will chime in.


Is your point that somehow this means it doesn't count as charity for him if he is giving under the guidance his faith teaches?

I'm no Romney fan, but I respect any man who lives the principles of his stated beliefs.

Now, a better question would be, has he given the "required" amount consistently or only in the years leading up to him running for an office.
1/25/2012 4:56:23 AM EDT
[#12]
Quoted:
Isn't it somewhat "required" in the Mormon faith to give 15%?  

Perhaps some of Mormon members will chime in.


Yes, the Mormons do give back to the chruch. 15% is generally the ball park figure.
1/25/2012 5:07:26 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
BTW: some of the media is using Romney's gross income and not his taxable income to figure his effective tax rate.  It is all about smearing Romney's image.


Isn't that the entire issue?  It's not that he's evaded taxes or anything, but that he "hasn't paid his fair share" because income from investments isn't taxed as much as income from salary or whatever, so he's not wrong, he's just a greedy meany.

You know what really pisses me off?  I can't fucking stand Romney, and all of this bullshit over his tax return is making me sympathetic to him.  It's like I can feel myself turning into a useful idiot.


He did everything according to the law.  BTW, capital gains are taxed at a lower rate because they create jobs by providing the funding in the form of investment capital; wage income does not.


The monies in question are also arguably being double taxed. The corporation generating the capital gains is taxed on their profits, and then it is taxed again when transferred to the shareholder (in the case of dividends) or when the shareholder decides to sell their stock.
1/25/2012 5:08:22 AM EDT
[#14]
If he can afford 15% to charity, then he clearly isn't paying enough in taxes.
1/25/2012 5:10:17 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Isn't it somewhat "required" in the Mormon faith to give 15%?  

Perhaps some of Mormon members will chime in.


Is your point that somehow this means it doesn't count as charity for him if he is giving under the guidance his faith teaches?

I'm no Romney fan, but I respect any man who lives the principles of his stated beliefs.

Now, a better question would be, has he given the "required" amount consistently or only in the years leading up to him running for an office.


No.  Given the current tax code and specifically the exemptions for charitable deductions, If I earned his kind of money, I'd certainly give quite a bit to charities.  Maybe not the church, but somewhere.
1/25/2012 5:11:26 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Isn't it somewhat "required" in the Mormon faith to give 15%?  

Perhaps some of Mormon members will chime in.


Tithing is 10%, which he gave, but he also gave a substantial amount over that in the form of other charities.
1/25/2012 5:34:18 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Isn't it somewhat "required" in the Mormon faith to give 15%?  

Perhaps some of Mormon members will chime in.


Tithing is 10%, which he gave, but he also gave a substantial amount over that in the form of other charities.


Yes. This was mentioned on Fox and Friends.
1/25/2012 5:35:44 AM EDT
[#18]
Do you consider the Mormon church a charity?
1/25/2012 5:36:59 AM EDT
[#19]
He puts many to shame and yet a TV program had people bemoaning he only paid 17% income tax.  The media really is the circus and it's a boring pedantic show.

http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/01/24/whos-greedy-obama-gave-1-charity-romney-gave-15

Less than 1% for the Obama's.....so do we really think anyone's keeping track?

The Mormon Church itself seems about twice as charitable as the Obamas but significantly less charitable than a random sect like the Lutherans (2% v. 10%). Still way better than giving to the Obama Fed Charities.
1/25/2012 5:39:20 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Do you consider the Mormon church a charity?


Probably not, but it is voluntary giving. He could choose to no longer be Mormon and not tithe anymore.

1/25/2012 5:40:33 AM EDT
[#21]
I don't give a shit what people do, or don't do with their money.  Romney included.  Obama and Biden included as well.  Nobody's business.
1/25/2012 5:41:56 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
I don't give a shit what people do, or don't do with their money.  Romney included.  Obama and Biden included as well.  Nobody's business.


You do realize that that kind of sanity has a very chilling effect on the GD, right?
1/25/2012 5:43:34 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Isn't it somewhat "required" in the Mormon faith to give 15%?  

Perhaps some of Mormon members will chime in.


Tithing is 10%, which he gave, but he also gave a substantial amount over that in the form of other charities.


It also isn't required - as with everything in the LDS faith, it is voluntary.  We believe strongly in free will, and that no man should be coerced to do things.  We also believe that our negative actions are tied to consequences, and that adherence to God's commandments will improve our lives according to his promises.

Tithing received by the church is used for numerous things to include building meeting houses, providing curricular and employment education, humanitarian aid, and maintainence of the LDS Church Welfare system (the LDS Church Canneries that some of you folks use were set up by tithing funds).
1/25/2012 5:45:14 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Do you consider the Mormon church a charity?


I consider it a charitable organization - they spend millions each year in humanitarian efforts, education, and welfare.
1/25/2012 5:47:03 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I don't give a shit what people do, or don't do with their money.  Romney included.  Obama and Biden included as well.  Nobody's business.


You do realize that that kind of sanity has a very chilling effect on the GD, right?


When somebody complains about someone else their "fair share" its to be expected that their own financial habits will be examined.  

I don't give a fuck what Obama gives to charity.... as long as he's not accusing others of not paying enough.
1/25/2012 12:11:13 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I don't give a shit what people do, or don't do with their money.  Romney included.  Obama and Biden included as well.  Nobody's business.


You do realize that that kind of sanity has a very chilling effect on the GD, right?


They are elected officials, they made it my business when they asked for my vote.
1/25/2012 12:13:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Why would Obama or Biden donate to charity? To them, that's the government's job!
1/25/2012 12:16:46 PM EDT
[#28]
At least Barry didn't donate his old underwear and take the writeoff like Klinton did.



Gotta give him that.  (nothing else, though)







1/25/2012 12:21:55 PM EDT
[#29]
I truthfully don't care what anyone gives to charity as you should be able to give as much or as little as you feel like giving.

Obama pre presidency=1% I don't admire that as he and wookie made a good living.
Biden=369 bucks pre VP=Douche.


So because they made a "good living" they have to give 15% of the money they earned away in order to be good people?

I in know way have any respect or love for Obama or Biden but surely we can come up with real reasons to hate them vs this petty bull$hit

ETA: I also believe that religions that pretty much force you to give 15% to them or have a public listing that states your contributions per year are bull$shit.  I give cash at church....they don't need to know what I give and I don't deduct it on my taxes.
1/25/2012 1:23:50 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
At least Barry didn't donate his old underwear and take the writeoff like Klinton did.

Gotta give him that.  (nothing else, though)




Barry goes Commando and nobody wants a Wookie thong so your point is not valid.
1/25/2012 3:18:59 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
I truthfully don't care what anyone gives to charity as you should be able to give as much or as little as you feel like giving.

Obama pre presidency=1% I don't admire that as he and wookie made a good living.
Biden=369 bucks pre VP=Douche.


So because they made a "good living" they have to give 15% of the money they earned away in order to be good people?

I in know way have any respect or love for Obama or Biden but surely we can come up with real reasons to hate them vs this petty bull$hit

ETA: I also believe that religions that pretty much force you to give 15% to them or have a public listing that states your contributions per year are bull$shit.  I give cash at church....they don't need to know what I give and I don't deduct it on my taxes.


The Obama's claim to care about the little people. They constantly demagogue the class warfare issue.
They have been shown to be miserly hypocrites.
Their argument of the "Rich not doing their fair share" is refuted by Romney's giving 15% to charity.
So, it makes our point (conservatives) that liberals wish to give your money away as they see fit and conservatives want you to give your money to what you decide is worthy.
1/25/2012 3:46:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Typical for liberals.  They love to give money away. As long as it's someone else's money.
1/25/2012 3:48:19 PM EDT
[#33]
Still not voting for him.
1/26/2012 3:35:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
Still not voting for him.


Understood but he will likely be the only choice besides Hussein. So where does that leave you?