Posted: 9/5/2016 10:05:51 AM EDT
| So I took my friend to the range last night as he's never been shooting before. I set him up on my suppressed SBR AR. It has an upgraded trigger which I love. When he shot it I noticed it was shooting 2-4 round burst. I told him to not pull the trigger so fast as the range doesn't like that. He thought he was only shooting It one at a time. I then tried to replicate what he was doing. Sure enough if you essentially keep your finger there the recoil will reset the trigger allowing a "burst" shot. What is the legality of this? Do I have to adjust my trigger to a heavier trigger pull? It was kinda cool but quickly realized Select fire is out of my price range cause I can't feed it :( |
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sounds like bump firing from the bench.
It happens when the rifle isn't pulled into your shoulder well enough and/or you don't pull completely through the trigger. Recoil is resetting and then tripping the sear. Not illegal. Folks new to lightweight single stage triggers have this happen on occasion. |
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Quoted: sounds like bump firing from the bench. It happens when the rifle isn't pulled into your shoulder well enough and/or you don't pull completely through the trigger. Recoil is resetting and then tripping the sear. Not illegal. Folks new to lightweight single stage triggers have this happen on occasion. This. Congratulations new guy, you discovered bump firing. You get a free poke-mon achievement or what the fuck ever kids are into. |
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I built a PSA/ spare parts AR and for my nephew and the first day out ever shot was a double for him but not myself.
Had me confused and we tore it down and reassembled it 3 time till we figured out it only happened when he was sitting at the bench and started working on holding tighter etc. He was thrilled that I built him a FA for awhile. 
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Yeah I'm sure the ATF/gov't never heard of What I can only assume is a common problem. Quoted:
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delete this shit Yeah I'm sure the ATF/gov't never heard of What I can only assume is a common problem. lol What the ATF have heard of is the legal definition of a machine gun. If more than one shot is discharged with ONE pull of the trigger, you have a machine gun. If you are accidentally "bump firing" - which is NOT one pull of the trigger, but rather taking advantage of e trigger reset (often with a light trigger), then that is fine, and not a problem.  lots of people do that, and while it can sound exactly like full auto fire, it does not meet the technical definition.
However, if your trigger is experiencing a mechanical problem that results in multiple shots being fired from the gun after only one pull of the trigger, then you currently are in possession of an unregistered machine gun, which is obviously a serious felony. If the ATF wanted to go after you, your argument that "oh, but it's just a malfunction" is not going to help you in court at all (as the Olofson case demonstrated). The definition of a machine gun has nothing to do with whether or not it is deliberate or intentional or an accident - it is purely a question of whether or not more than one shot is fired when the trigger is pulled once. So if that is what's going on - you should probably figure out what the problem is with your trigger and fix it. Or not - whatever floats your boat. But if you DO have an unregistered machine gun in your possession, it's probably wisest to not take it to public ranges, loan it to friends, or post about it on the Internet. 
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You will figure the situation out.
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lol What the ATF have heard of is the legal definition of a machine gun. If more than one shot is discharged with ONE pull of the trigger, you have a machine gun. If you are accidentally "bump firing" - which is NOT one pull of the trigger, but rather taking advantage of e trigger reset (often with a light trigger), then that is fine, and not a problem. lots of people do that, and while it can sound exactly like full auto fire, it does not meet the technical definition.
However, if your trigger is experiencing a mechanical problem that results in multiple shots being fired from the gun after only one pull of the trigger, then you currently are in possession of an unregistered machine gun, which is obviously a serious felony. If the ATF wanted to go after you, your argument that "oh, but it's just a malfunction" is not going to help you in court at all (as the Olofson case demonstrated). The definition of a machine gun has nothing to do with whether or not it is deliberate or intentional or an accident - it is purely a question of whether or not more than one shot is fired when the trigger is pulled once. So if that is what's going on - you should probably figure out what the problem is with your trigger and fix it. Or not - whatever floats your boat. But if you DO have an unregistered machine gun in your possession, it's probably wisest to not take it to public ranges, loan it to friends, or post about it on the Internet.
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delete this shit Yeah I'm sure the ATF/gov't never heard of What I can only assume is a common problem. lol What the ATF have heard of is the legal definition of a machine gun. If more than one shot is discharged with ONE pull of the trigger, you have a machine gun. If you are accidentally "bump firing" - which is NOT one pull of the trigger, but rather taking advantage of e trigger reset (often with a light trigger), then that is fine, and not a problem. lots of people do that, and while it can sound exactly like full auto fire, it does not meet the technical definition.
However, if your trigger is experiencing a mechanical problem that results in multiple shots being fired from the gun after only one pull of the trigger, then you currently are in possession of an unregistered machine gun, which is obviously a serious felony. If the ATF wanted to go after you, your argument that "oh, but it's just a malfunction" is not going to help you in court at all (as the Olofson case demonstrated). The definition of a machine gun has nothing to do with whether or not it is deliberate or intentional or an accident - it is purely a question of whether or not more than one shot is fired when the trigger is pulled once. So if that is what's going on - you should probably figure out what the problem is with your trigger and fix it. Or not - whatever floats your boat. But if you DO have an unregistered machine gun in your possession, it's probably wisest to not take it to public ranges, loan it to friends, or post about it on the Internet.
All of this is spot on OP. Listen up. We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system. Best to stay plenty on the legal side. |
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It causes it to do exactly what the fk you said it is doing. Quoted:
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Is the hammer spring backwards? ThIS I do not believe so I'll double check. What would that do/cause It causes it to do exactly what the fk you said it is doing. Sorry what I meant is more of a how would having the spring backwards cause that. |
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I do not believe so I'll double check. What would that do/cause Quoted:
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Is the hammer spring backwards? ThIS I do not believe so I'll double check. What would that do/cause If the trigger spring is in backwards, the spring ears may not sit in the trigger pin grooves properly allowing it to walk. |
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I would do this , The ATF has prosecuted people for broken guns before Quoted:
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delete this shit I would do this , The ATF has prosecuted people for broken guns before Fixed; The ATF has prosecuted people and put them in prison for broken guns before |
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This. OP you are fine, just bump firing. Some people always think the sky is failing. (Not you OP, just the holly shit you have a evil machine gun, run! posters) Quoted:
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Dude. You got a Super 3 Gun trigger. You're shooting benched. Bump fire. This. OP you are fine, just bump firing. Some people always think the sky is failing. (Not you OP, just the holly shit you have a evil machine gun, run! posters) NVM |
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Dude. You got a Super 3 Gun trigger. You're shooting benched. Bump fire. Yup. Anyone who has shot a Geissele 3 gun trigger knows they are on the verge of shooting on their own, lol. Combine that with a new shooter, new trigger and on a bench..!! Bump fire bonanza... 
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| Just to clarify We were not shooting from a bench. It was standing. It only happened when he released the trigger too quickly . And I could only manipulate it by hovering my finger over the trigger after I pulled it the first time. Seems like a bump fire to me. If I held the trigger down the entire time it was only one shot. |
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Just to clarify We were not shooting from a bench. It was standing. It only happened when he released the trigger too quickly . And I could only manipulate it by hovering my finger over the trigger after I pulled it the first time. Seems like a bump fire to me. If I held the trigger down the entire time it was only one shot. Put a Slidefire stock on it and really have some fun 
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lol What the ATF have heard of is the legal definition of a machine gun. If more than one shot is discharged with ONE pull of the trigger, you have a machine gun. If you are accidentally "bump firing" - which is NOT one pull of the trigger, but rather taking advantage of e trigger reset (often with a light trigger), then that is fine, and not a problem. lots of people do that, and while it can sound exactly like full auto fire, it does not meet the technical definition.
However, if your trigger is experiencing a mechanical problem that results in multiple shots being fired from the gun after only one pull of the trigger, then you currently are in possession of an unregistered machine gun, which is obviously a serious felony. If the ATF wanted to go after you, your argument that "oh, but it's just a malfunction" is not going to help you in court at all (as the Olofson case demonstrated). The definition of a machine gun has nothing to do with whether or not it is deliberate or intentional or an accident - it is purely a question of whether or not more than one shot is fired when the trigger is pulled once. So if that is what's going on - you should probably figure out what the problem is with your trigger and fix it. Or not - whatever floats your boat. But if you DO have an unregistered machine gun in your possession, it's probably wisest to not take it to public ranges, loan it to friends, or post about it on the Internet.
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delete this shit Yeah I'm sure the ATF/gov't never heard of What I can only assume is a common problem. lol What the ATF have heard of is the legal definition of a machine gun. If more than one shot is discharged with ONE pull of the trigger, you have a machine gun. If you are accidentally "bump firing" - which is NOT one pull of the trigger, but rather taking advantage of e trigger reset (often with a light trigger), then that is fine, and not a problem. lots of people do that, and while it can sound exactly like full auto fire, it does not meet the technical definition.
However, if your trigger is experiencing a mechanical problem that results in multiple shots being fired from the gun after only one pull of the trigger, then you currently are in possession of an unregistered machine gun, which is obviously a serious felony. If the ATF wanted to go after you, your argument that "oh, but it's just a malfunction" is not going to help you in court at all (as the Olofson case demonstrated). The definition of a machine gun has nothing to do with whether or not it is deliberate or intentional or an accident - it is purely a question of whether or not more than one shot is fired when the trigger is pulled once. So if that is what's going on - you should probably figure out what the problem is with your trigger and fix it. Or not - whatever floats your boat. But if you DO have an unregistered machine gun in your possession, it's probably wisest to not take it to public ranges, loan it to friends, or post about it on the Internet.
But, but there wasn't intent................. |