Posted: 1/2/2004 10:46:26 PM EDT
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Hi and thank you so much for looking, I need advice asap. Today was my last day at work before i transfer. A co-worker asked me if I liked guns and wanted to buy one off him. He's trying to sell a Russian M44 carbine in 7.62x51mm for 50 bucks, along with approx 200rnds. I know nothing of this gun, but $50 sounds like a pretty good deal. He says he got it brand new (is this possible for such an old gun?) and has only 20rnds through it. I'm gonna go look at it tomorrow, but i need some help fast as i'm leaving soon. What should I know before buying? Most of all I want to know if these are these reliable/durable guns? He says they were used as sniper rifles in WWII. So does that mean they're extremely accurate? Any additional information will be greatly appreciated! |
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I'd give him 50 bucks for it. It is just a Mosin Nagant rifle. Shoots a 7.62X54R. I bought one for 80 bucks last year, so I'd say its worth it for the rifle and ammo. But its only 50 bucks in the end, not a big loss. Accuracy would be determined by the shape of the rifle. Mine was pretty good. There is really not much to it, the wood may not look pretty but thats nuthin a little TLC wouldnt take care of...... Rob |
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Theres one of those in my safe to. Here's a little history that I lifted from www.surplusrifle.com . It starts whith the M38 The differences between the Mosin-Nagant 1891/30 and the Model 1938 Carbine (m/38 Carbine) are the barrel length, overall length, and length of the stock components. Also the m/38 was not issued with a bayonet nor did it have an integral bayonet that is seen on the m/44. The production run of the m/38 ran from 1938 to 1945. The Soviet’s had a strange fascination or dependency on bayonet capable rifles and the m/44 filled this bill by having a bayonet permanently affixed to the right side of the rifle. The m/44 carbine is pretty much a clone of the m/38 Carbine except for the bayonet. The production run of the m/44 ran from 1943 to the late 1950s. A common nickmane for thies gun is "fireball". This is because of the large flash that they make when fired ( about 3 feet wide and 4 feet long ). More can be had at thies sites: [url]http://pub113.ezboard.com/fparallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforumsfrm25[/url] and [url]http://www.surplusrifle.com/index.asp[/url] |
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The cheapest price on these right now is $59 ,plus shipping, and it comes with a few accessories. The ammo goes for about .10 per round. Definatley 7.62x 54R!!!!!!!!!!!!! $50 is a very good deal and I would buy the gun in a heartbeat as long as it is not a beater. And I own about 10 of them already. |
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Two notes re your original post. 1)No, the carbines were NOT used as sniper rifles, so chalk that statement up as a bit of puffery. 2)If he's fired the rifle w/the as issued ammo, make sure he cleaned it well. The ammo is corrosive, and if he didn't properly clean the bore, you're going to have a rusted out mess inside the barrel; so check that out. Assuming the barrel's in decent shape, it's a very good deal[:D] |
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"1)No, the carbines were NOT used as sniper rifles, so chalk that statement up as a bit of puffery. 2)If he's fired the rifle w/the as issued ammo, make sure he cleaned it well. The ammo is corrosive, and if he didn't properly clean the bore, you're going to have a rusted out mess inside the barrel; so check that out. Assuming the barrel's in decent shape, it's a very good deal" I agree totally with the above - I will also add that if the #'s on the bolt don't match the rifle, it'd be a good idea to have the headspace checked before you fire it(might not be a bad idea, anyways)... These rifles can have pretty good accuracy - depending on condition and ammo - and can be given a decent trigger rather easily... Lastly, they also can kick like a mule!!! That steel buttplate isn't the most shooter friendly device in the world - the weight of a 91/30 makes a big difference in felt recoil over that of an M-44 - Pad up... For the money, they're decent rifles, though... - georgestrings |
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Buy it. I have two Moisin's. I took the bayonet off of the M44 and even reload for it. Cheap deer rifle or "behind the seat" rifle. It's not something you shoot all day long. It is balistically equivalent to our '06 (147gr bullet @2800 fps) but is much lighter than most rifles in that caliber and has a small contact area at the butt. What other centerfire can you get for under $100........????? |
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Thank you all so very much for your replies. I went and got it today. I managed to talk the guy down to 40 bucks! Not only that but it did not come with 200 rounds, it came with 600!!! I took it out to shoot right after, and boy it's nicceeee!!! I love it and it was THE single best deal I've ever gotten. It's got the soviet hammer&sicle, and 1945 imprinted on the receiver. All numbers are matching. Bore is sparkling clean (is it chrome lined?) Only problem I found was a slight wear of the wood's finish on the left side. Right side is perfect! I'm debating wether or not to re-finish it. Just awesome gun, simply amazing! Thanks again! P.S. Once I transfer I'll have access to a digi-camera, so be sure to look for some pictures soon. |
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Great deal on a great gun. Just remember that the surplus ammo is corrosive, so clean it for a couple three days after shooting it. Then check it a few days or week later. If you just clean it once and put it away, it will start rusting the bore. Alot of people use different stuff, like amonia, or windex, etc, and that's fine, but no matter what you use, clean and check it a couple times after you shoot it. It will pay off in the end. I use hot, soapy water and I shoot ALOT of corrosive and have NEVER had a problem. USGI RBC (not CLP or LSA) works well. But just drum it into your head to check and give it a quick hit for a couple days afterwards and you'll be a happy camper. Ross |
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While most purists will say NO to refinish, there is a proper way to refinish a Mosin stock. Make sure sandpaper is NEVER used - sandpaper is the best way to turn a $200 collector into a $20 piece of bubba junk. Search the sites listed in the post by Notorious. You will find the best way to strip, dye and lacquer the stock to make it look original. |
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Quoted: Hi and thank you so much for looking, I need advice asap. Today was my last day at work before i transfer. A co-worker asked me if I liked guns and wanted to buy one off him. He's trying to sell a Russian M44 carbine in 7.62x51mm for 50 bucks, along with approx 200rnds. I know nothing of this gun, but $50 sounds like a pretty good deal. He says he got it brand new (is this possible for such an old gun?) and has only 20rnds through it. I'm gonna go look at it tomorrow, but i need some help fast as i'm leaving soon. What should I know before buying? [b]Most of all I want to know if these are these reliable/durable guns?[/b] He says they were used as sniper rifles in WWII. So does that mean they're extremely accurate? Any additional information will be greatly appreciated! Lockedon, When we shoot up all of your ammo we'll shoot my ammo. [banana] The Mosin Nagant is a great rifle. [banana] And at a great deal. Later, Shawn |
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They are great guns for the money. Not incredibly accurate but more accurate than any other $50 rifle you are likely to come across. If you don't like how yours looks you can always get your girlfriend to help you refinish it as a fun project for the two of you to do together. Well, it worked for me at least. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=7915[/img] |