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Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:23:29 PM EST
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Fuck wolfs
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:32:43 PM EST
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There is no law so insignificant that the government wont kill you to enforce it.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 12:50:23 PM EST
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Story asside.....when you realize the Endangered Species Act (ESA) was NEVER about protecting the species but making it harder to develop or allow for industry expansion (I.e. logging). It all makes sense.

The ESA was simply the vehicle they used to stop and make it harder to develop undeveloped lands.
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Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:12:22 PM EST
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I listened to a bunch about him on the Meat eater podcast hat was one woods smart dude.
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Its all fun an games till they run into a Claude Dallas type that's not putting up with their bulls hit.



I listened to a bunch about him on the Meat eater podcast hat was one woods smart dude.



He was a pos felon escaped prisoner.  That left several little girls without a father. No hero and no expert on anything except being a loser

Eta Born in Winchester, Va., in 1950, Claude Dallas ducked the draft in Ohio and settled in the remotest corner of the Lower 48, the “ION” region of Idaho,

On Jan. 5, 1981, Idaho Fish & Game officers Bill Pogue and Conley Elms tried to arrest Dallas for poaching at his camp on the Owyhee River. Dallas shot them first with a pistol and then put a rifle to their heads and fired again. He pitched Elms into the river and buried Pogue. Dallas was captured in northern Nevada 15 months later.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:14:54 PM EST
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In the days before the wolf died in December 2018, it had been spotted feeding on a calf that had died in a rancher's pasture.
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"Journalism"
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:17:04 PM EST
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If you’re gonna do gangster shit, leave the phone at home.

That’s my takeaway.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:21:19 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:25:25 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:31:05 PM EST
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There is no law so insignificant that the government wont kill you to enforce it.
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Hence, The Second Amendment.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:37:41 PM EST
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Anyone remember when the sheriff shows up to railroad the rural family in Legends of the Fall?
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 1:51:24 PM EST
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Kalif DF&G SWAT team, hands off the king's fish
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"An endangered wolf was shot to death in California. Then the armed agents showed up | The Sacramento Bee"
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article247380032.html#storylink=mainstage_lead

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...At least seven California game wardens wearing bulletproof vests and sidearms drove into Big Valley, past alfalfa fields and cattle pastures. Their pickups crunched along a dirt road before turning onto a ranch.

Carrying a warrant, the wardens searched three homes at the property.

Before they left that day in August 2019, the wardens interrogated a young man, a sixth-generation rancher with close ties to other farming families in this part of Lassen and Modoc counties.

The wardens asked him if he'd shot and killed a wolf. In the days before the wolf died in December 2018, it had been spotted feeding on a calf that had died in a rancher's pasture.

The wardens thought they had their suspect.

Nine months earlier, 23-year-old Brett Gagnon's mobile phone had sent signals to local cell towers, putting him near the location where the wolf, which carried a GPS collar, had been shot and killed in a forested meadow 150 yards off a desolate country road. The pings indicated that Gagnon had been nearby within minutes of the wolf's collar sending out "a mortality signal" to the biologists tracking its movements.

During the raid, the wardens seized just one gun, a .223 rifle, with a caliber that was the same as the bullet found in the wolf's carcass. They took two unfired .223 rounds, Gagnon's phone and his computer.

Gagnon was possibly facing jail time and tens of thousands of dollars in fines for killing a wolf protected under state and federal endangered species laws.

But the investigation began to unravel.

During an interrogation, Gagnon insisted he didn't kill the wolf, though his family  like so many in this part of the state  has no love for the predators that began to move back into far Northern California nine years ago.

The wardens found no evidence in Gagnon's text messages or his photographs that he'd shot the wolf. And when the ballistics on the bullet came back, the round in the wolf's carcass wasn't fired from the gun that the wardens took.

A year and a half later, the case remains under investigation, and Gagnon remains a free man. Despite rewards of $7,500, the wolf's shooter remains at large.

The wardens' show of force ratcheted up tensions between local ranchers and California's wildlife agency. To the ranchers, the raid was a sign that the state was willing to go to any length to send a message that wolves are more important than the local families trying to make a living on the soil that sticks in their boot cleats.

"They desperately want to make an example out of someone, in my opinion," said local rancher Aaron Albaugh, a Lassen County supervisor who is friends with Gagnon's family.

The game wardens, however, say they were following where the evidence took them, as they sought to enforce wildlife-protection laws that are widely popular in California.

"No matter if it's a dead wolf or a dead deer, we take protecting California's wildlife very seriously," said Chief David Bess, California's top officer at the Department of Fish and Wildlife. ...
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The wolf was feeding on a calf, so I see nothing wrong, but the state wants to be the one to protect livestock. A bullshit response by the state.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 2:02:51 PM EST
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For more government overreach check out Range Magazine.  At first glance it seems to only apply to cowboys an westerners.  But, the bigger picture it paints, applies to all of us.  it is a great magazine for Conservative Americans.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 2:06:34 PM EST
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So lesson learned, don’t take your phone and gut shoot the beast so you have time to leave before it dies.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 2:07:20 PM EST
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can you wear a plate carrier like a pelt?
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 2:08:04 PM EST
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Back the blue
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 2:59:35 PM EST
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“GPS sent a mortality signal...”


Looks like ranchers need to gut shoot the wolves so they run off and die at a later date.
Link Posted: 12/25/2020 4:06:27 PM EST
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Sounds like SSS needs to be amended to use bullets with less chance of being ballisticslly matched.
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Agreed.  Should shoot the wolves too.


Link Posted: 12/25/2020 4:19:19 PM EST
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He was a pos felon escaped prisoner.  That left several little girls without a father. No hero and no expert on anything except being a loser

Eta Born in Winchester, Va., in 1950, Claude Dallas ducked the draft in Ohio and settled in the remotest corner of the Lower 48, the "ION" region of Idaho,

On Jan. 5, 1981, Idaho Fish & Game officers Bill Pogue and Conley Elms tried to arrest Dallas for poaching at his camp on the Owyhee River. Dallas shot them first with a pistol and then put a rifle to their heads and fired again. He pitched Elms into the river and buried Pogue. Dallas was captured in northern Nevada 15 months later.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_Dallas

"Out of contact with his family back east, he was unaware of draft notices mailed to his parents' home ordering him to report for induction into the U.S. military during the Vietnam War. When Dallas failed to report for induction into the military on September 17, 1970, the government issued a warrant for his arrest."

"At least one juror cited concern that Dallas was acting in self-defense when he shot Pogue."

The wiki doesn't necessarily agree with what you posted.  Not that I know which version is true, or if either are.  I hadn't heard of this guy before.  Found a made for tv movie and an fbi files episode on somebodiestube I downloaded to watch.


Link Posted: 12/25/2020 9:34:41 PM EST
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“GPS sent a mortality signal...”


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I would speculate that if it had sensors with ability to detect death, it is likely it would be able to detect a significant event like a gunshot wound. (Never done any research on the type of device that would typically be used, so again, this is entirely speculation)

I remember a story where someone (cop maybe?) Lied about an incident but was found out because of a smart watch or Fitbit or similar device that monitored and recorded biometric data like heart rate etc, and during the time of the supposed incident, his biometrics betrayed his story and was found out. (Details are as I remember them, but it's been a long time so they may be way off)

It could be very minimal information sent but I would consider the possibility of more. There is obviously no secret that the government uses "conservation" as an excuse to spend significant resources and money on ridiculous stuff like this. That and people's seemingly unwavering support for government overreach as long as it's for animals or the "environment" (Thanks public school indoctrination!)

Link Posted: 12/26/2020 12:50:05 PM EST
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I was thinking hypothetically something that would pass through and let the hypothetical golden retriever expire somewhere else after you were long gone.  
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Hypothetically like a Barnes Varmint Grenade bullet?


I was thinking hypothetically something that would pass through and let the hypothetical golden retriever expire somewhere else after you were long gone.  


FMJ for FTW?
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 1:14:09 PM EST
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“GPS sent a mortality signal...”


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Since the bullet didn’t match his rifle, but he was nearby when it died, maybe that’s what someone did.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 2:52:10 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/26/2020 5:14:15 PM EST
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Wouldn't just removing the battery from your cell phone make it invisible to the cell towers?  If so, just remove the battery before you leave your house and don't reinsert it until you return, theoretically speaking of course.  You would still have the cell phone available in the event of a personal emergency dictating a change of plans by just reinserting the battery and powering up the phone.  

As to the GPS collar monitoring mortality, I would have to guess it must have some sort of heart rate monitor built in.  As soon as the heart rates stop, it would alarm out also roughly pinpointing the location with the concurrent GPS signal/cell tower pinging.  Just a wild ass guess on my part.

If I was ever tempted to do something like have an encounter with a wolf then I would just use full metal jacket ammo which should almost guarantee a complete pass through the guts.  I have helped track several gut shot deer and they can go a long ways.  Some we didn't find until the next day due to the distance traveled and nightfall making it almost impossible to keep tracking.  

This thread has provided good info  like other posters said on how we are all tracked constantly.  Big Brother has been around for a while and we are just conditioned to not even notice it anymore.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 5:22:37 PM EST
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My takeaway is if someone needs to take care of business, don't do it with a gps enabled device near you.
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That’s exactly the take away here. Geotracking isn’t your friend.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 5:30:27 PM EST
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Wouldn't just removing the battery from your cell phone make it invisible to the cell towers?  If so, just remove the battery before you leave your house and don't reinsert it until you return, theoretically speaking of course.  You would still have the cell phone available in the event of a personal emergency dictating a change of plans by just reinserting the battery and powering up the phone.  

As to the GPS collar monitoring mortality, I would have to guess it must have some sort of heart rate monitor built in.  As soon as the heart rates stop, it would alarm out also roughly pinpointing the location with the concurrent GPS signal/cell tower pinging.  Just a wild ass guess on my part.

If I was ever tempted to do something like have an encounter with a wolf then I would just use full metal jacket ammo which should almost guarantee a complete pass through the guts.  I have helped track several gut shot deer and they can go a long ways.  Some we didn't find until the next day due to the distance traveled and nightfall making it almost impossible to keep tracking.  

This thread has provided good info  like other posters said on how we are all tracked constantly.  Big Brother has been around for a while and we are just conditioned to not even notice it anymore.
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Can you just pop the battery out of your phone and pop it back in later?
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 5:39:17 PM EST
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Can you just pop the battery out of your phone and pop it back in later?
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Not my phone.  It takes special tools, three hands and a prehensile tail to get the battery out of my cell phone.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 8:32:23 PM EST
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That or maybe some kind of option that lets the wolf wander off to go die in a ditch a day or two later.
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Yep.

It's called a .22.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 8:43:07 PM EST
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Would have been poetic if the 'king's men' went in, and came out to find themselves surrounded.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 8:48:07 PM EST
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“GPS sent a mortality signal...”


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It's called lung shooting with a .22, they run off and die a couple miles away.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 9:34:52 PM EST
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Fish cops, LE's bottom of the barrel and in many states hold more authority than a regular LEO. They can find an "i" not dotted or a "t" not crossed on a carcass tag in the dark of a new moon yet completely blind when a dozen armed drunk felon methbillies are spotlighting deer in the pasture across the road.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 10:20:40 PM EST
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He was a pos felon escaped prisoner.  That left several little girls without a father. No hero and no expert on anything except being a loser

Eta Born in Winchester, Va., in 1950, Claude Dallas ducked the draft in Ohio and settled in the remotest corner of the Lower 48, the “ION” region of Idaho,

On Jan. 5, 1981, Idaho Fish & Game officers Bill Pogue and Conley Elms tried to arrest Dallas for poaching at his camp on the Owyhee River. Dallas shot them first with a pistol and then put a rifle to their heads and fired again. He pitched Elms into the river and buried Pogue. Dallas was captured in northern Nevada 15 months later.
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That "loser" beat 2 murder raps and and escape charge. Jurors afterward made it pretty clear that had it not been for the headshots he would have likely walked out a free man. He also was skilled enough to escape and evade law enforcement for nearly 2 years in total.

Dallas didn't duck the draft and the fact all charges for draft dodging bear that out.

Pogue's reputation as an asshole and his shitty ability to search a suspect known to be armed didn't do himself or his partner any favors that day or in the courtroom afterward.





Link Posted: 12/26/2020 10:29:17 PM EST
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Likely the whole match thing was a bluff to get him to confess.
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I thought I read an article a year or few ago that admitted most of the forensic bullet matching was bogus as hell and almost completely made up.  

I need to try and find that again.
Link Posted: 12/26/2020 11:10:20 PM EST
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I thought I read an article a year or few ago that admitted most of the forensic bullet matching was bogus as hell and almost completely made up.  

I need to try and find that again.
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Likely the whole match thing was a bluff to get him to confess.

I thought I read an article a year or few ago that admitted most of the forensic bullet matching was bogus as hell and almost completely made up.  

I need to try and find that again.

I’ve been told as much by guys who do forensics for a living.

My own experience says you’d have a hell of a time proving two bullets came from a particular gun even if you fired them back to back.
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 12:33:16 AM EST
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I’ve been told as much by guys who do forensics for a living.

My own experience says you’d have a hell of a time proving two bullets came from a particular gun even if you fired them back to back.
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Likely the whole match thing was a bluff to get him to confess.

I thought I read an article a year or few ago that admitted most of the forensic bullet matching was bogus as hell and almost completely made up.  

I need to try and find that again.

I’ve been told as much by guys who do forensics for a living.

My own experience says you’d have a hell of a time proving two bullets came from a particular gun even if you fired them back to back.

There was even a court case where FBI analysts, testifying as expert witnesses, were claiming they could tell if two shotgun shells came from the same box.

Pretty much all ballistic forensics is pure junk science, with gigantic error bars.
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 12:43:56 AM EST
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There was even a court case where FBI analysts, testifying as expert witnesses, were claiming they could tell if two shotgun shells came from the same box.

Pretty much all ballistic forensics is pure junk science, with gigantic error bars.
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Oh shit. Lawyer should’ve dumped five boxes of Walmart specials in front of them and told them to get to work.
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 1:37:14 AM EST
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I'm sure this will be highly unpopular with the GD crowd, but read a little and learn something about wolves.  I recommend "American Wolf".  It was well written and covered the conservationist and rancher and hunter perspectives.  Pretty amazing animals and how much they've improved the ecosystems they've recovered in.  I'm not against hunting them, but trying to eliminate them is probably unwise in the long run.  In California, there are only about 15 known wolves, so it makes sense to protect them at this point, but hopefully we'll get some hunting in, once numbers become more established.  

Flame away GD.  Do your thing.

Link Posted: 12/27/2020 2:52:37 AM EST
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I'm sure this will be highly unpopular with the GD crowd, but read a little and learn something about wolves.  I recommend "American Wolf".  It was well written and covered the conservationist and rancher and hunter perspectives.  Pretty amazing animals and how much they've improved the ecosystems they've recovered in.  I'm not against hunting them, but trying to eliminate them is probably unwise in the long run.  In California, there are only about 15 known wolves, so it makes sense to protect them at this point, but hopefully we'll get some hunting in, once numbers become more established.  

Flame away GD.  Do your thing.

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Any animal standing over a dead calf is going to die. Wolf, Golden Eagle, the neighbors pet. They're all equally damned in that situation.
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 3:15:57 AM EST
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That’s exactly the take away here. Geotracking isn’t your friend.
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Locally, I heard a story about some endangered gps collared animal (wolf, grizzley) I can't remember which that got shot, collar cut off and thrown onto a passing BNSF train.
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 3:20:06 AM EST
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And it will leave a ballistically traceable bullet in the carcas.
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Yep.

It's called a .22.



And it will leave a ballistically traceable bullet in the carcas.

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Link Posted: 12/27/2020 3:38:44 AM EST
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And it will leave a ballistically traceable bullet in the carcas.
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Yep.

It's called a .22.



And it will leave a ballistically traceable bullet in the carcas.

Will it though? I have boxes of most every brand of 22 made in the last 2 decades. I have half a dozen guns chambered in 22. You positive you can match the bullet found in a carcass to something I might have fired?
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 4:37:20 AM EST
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Wolves? Smoke a pack a day...
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 4:39:45 AM EST
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I'm sure this will be highly unpopular with the GD crowd, but read a little and learn something about wolves.  I recommend "American Wolf".  It was well written and covered the conservationist and rancher and hunter perspectives.  Pretty amazing animals and how much they've improved the ecosystems they've recovered in.  I'm not against hunting them, but trying to eliminate them is probably unwise in the long run.  In California, there are only about 15 known wolves, so it makes sense to protect them at this point, but hopefully we'll get some hunting in, once numbers become more established.  

Flame away GD.  Do your thing.

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Improved? LOL.

Learn something about wolves? LOL

Clearly someone who has no real world experience with wolves.
Link Posted: 12/27/2020 6:02:57 AM EST
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The world's forests did just fine for millions of years without mankind's bullshit and "management"
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This is the culmination of policies made by shit head urban hippies who have never traveled outside the Whole Foods in the lgbtwtfbbq part of town, forcing their will on folks who work for a living.

Disturbing and disgusting


Yep. Used to deal with asshoe hippies regarding logging in these parts. They have no clue as to how forest management works.


The world's forests did just fine for millions of years without mankind's bullshit and "management"

Yep, periodic forest fires kept things from getting too overgrown and clogged up with dead wood.

Is that the plan you're advocating for?
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Most reasonable people give a shit more about legitimately endangered wolves than one or two cattle of a multi-millionaire rancher that were on their way to the local steak joint in the next few months anyways.


...and that's why those agents have the power that they do. In this case it looks like they may have overstepped the available evidence.
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Most reasonable people give a shit more about legitimately endangered wolves than one or two cattle of a multi-millionaire rancher that were on their way to the local steak joint in the next few months anyways.


...and that's why those agents have the power that they do. In this case it looks like they may have overstepped the available evidence.
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Umm, i think you know not what you speak about.

Those "Legitimately endangered" wolves never existed in CA. A much smaller cousin did. That cousin is already extinct.

What you guys are now getting in CA is the run off from places like Idaho where we have pretty much been overwhelmed by a predator that never existed here, and was forced upon us. Even with very open hunting they have over populated our state. Good luck.

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Sounds like a good reason to not carry electronics with you.  

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