[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SHTF (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/27/2016 9:18:58 PM EDT
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I hear people in real life and on the internet hoping for a SHTF event and idolizing the American Revolution
But stop and think The American revolution was NOT just freedom won by some brave patriots with personally owned weapons. They deserve credit for getting the ball rolling and firing the first . But the war itself.. The French had just lost a war where they had paid and helped native americans attack and torture both British soldiers and colonists. This war is why the British raised taxes The French saw an opportunity to help a failing group of rebels embarrass their geopolitical foe ( think "Moderate Syrian Rebels", or the Taliban precursor in the 1980s) The French deployed their army on American soil to kill British troops. (This is the same French army that had just a couple decades prior helped the native americans torture and kill British soldiers AND COLONISTS) This is what won the war. And in a modern day SHTF, it would be Russia and China not France. In a country as big and with as many resources as the US, there is no "SHTF" without foreign intervention. Careful what people wish for end rant |
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Quoted: I don't believe anyone really wants a SHTF scenario to go down, I just think people have gotten so pissed at .gov that they dream of an easy reset to the system and there isn't one.  I think about it. I talk about it with the family. I don't want it to happen, yet, I have a plan, and I know what I will need to do. In a mean time, Margaritas for everyone!  |
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I hear people in real life and on the internet hoping for a SHTF event and idolizing the American Revolution But stop and think The American revolution was NOT just freedom won by some brave patriots with personally owned weapons. They deserve credit for getting the ball rolling and firing the first . But the war itself.. The French had just lost a war where they had paid and helped native americans attack and torture both British soldiers and colonists. This war is why the British raised taxes The French saw an opportunity to help a failing group of rebels embarrass their geopolitical foe ( think "Moderate Syrian Rebels", or the Taliban precursor in the 1980s) The French deployed their army on American soil to kill British troops. (This is the same French army that had just a couple decades prior helped the native americans torture and kill British soldiers AND COLONISTS) This is what won the war. And in a modern day SHTF, it would be Russia and China not France. In a country as big and with as many resources as the US, there is no "SHTF" without foreign intervention. Careful what people wish for end rant What will happen to the Triceratops in Africa when SHTF? |
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Last summer Visited Fort Griswald in Groton. Fort was attacked by the British and the New Jersey Volunteers.
Americans were executed after the battle. Commander killed with his own sword. I always thought the war was Americans against the British. Realize now it was somewhat murkier. Almost like a Civil War. |
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Depends what kind of SHTF we are talking... Economic collapse kind of SHTF, or getting chased by an angry T-Rex kind of SHTF? That sounds awesome. That guy here who just bought a flamethrower is going to be ahead of the rest of us in this scenario. |
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This. I think about it. I talk about it with the family. I don't want it to happen, yet, I have a plan, and I know what I will need to do. In a mean time, Margaritas for everyone!
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I don't believe anyone really wants a SHTF scenario to go down, I just think people have gotten so pissed at .gov that they dream of an easy reset to the system and there isn't one. I think about it. I talk about it with the family. I don't want it to happen, yet, I have a plan, and I know what I will need to do. In a mean time, Margaritas for everyone!
If that day comes and we are actually in a situation that is completely FUBAR, there will be a lot of people that thought it would look like a movie and be very disappointed. |
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Quoted: I hear people in real life and on the internet hoping for a SHTF event and idolizing the American Revolution But stop and think The American revolution was NOT just freedom won by some brave patriots with personally owned weapons. They deserve credit for getting the ball rolling and firing the first . But the war itself.. The French had just lost a war where they had paid and helped native americans attack and torture both British soldiers and colonists. This war is why the British raised taxes The French saw an opportunity to help a failing group of rebels embarrass their geopolitical foe ( think "Moderate Syrian Rebels", or the Taliban precursor in the 1980s) The French deployed their army on American soil to kill British troops. (This is the same French army that had just a couple decades prior helped the native americans torture and kill British soldiers AND COLONISTS) This is what won the war. And in a modern day SHTF, it would be Russia and China not France. In a country as big and with as many resources as the US, there is no "SHTF" without foreign intervention. Careful what people wish for end rant Back in the American Revolution days, around 95% of Americans could independently live off the land. Nowadays, that number is closer to 1%. |
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I hear people in real life and on the internet hoping for a SHTF event and idolizing the American Revolution But stop and think The American revolution was NOT just freedom won by some brave patriots with personally owned weapons. They deserve credit for getting the ball rolling and firing the first . But the war itself.. The French had just lost a war where they had paid and helped native americans attack and torture both British soldiers and colonists. This war is why the British raised taxes The French saw an opportunity to help a failing group of rebels embarrass their geopolitical foe ( think "Moderate Syrian Rebels", or the Taliban precursor in the 1980s) The French deployed their army on American soil to kill British troops. (This is the same French army that had just a couple decades prior helped the native americans torture and kill British soldiers AND COLONISTS) This is what won the war. And in a modern day SHTF, it would be Russia and China not France. In a country as big and with as many resources as the US, there is no "SHTF" without foreign intervention. Careful what people wish for end rant Ya, right. How they going to get here?  Ever hear of the fucking ocean 
Fucking Canada and Mexico would stop them from entering the US. 
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Yup. SHTF sucks, OP is right. I wrote extensively on the subject. Well, mostly translated people who have been through it.
Some of it is "Russian propaganda" (AKA the other viewpoint) from combatants in Ukraine or Syria, but both sides in those civil wars agree that SHTF in modern society is very bad. Diabetics die, for one thing. Interviews from current civil wars- citizen militia is needed, psychological training very important Citizen militia medic: "The biggest problem was psychological: people were not ready for stress. We had panic attacks, various mental problems, constant quarrels for all sorts of reasons … And the corporate mass media never actually talked about such a scenario being possible, they never tried to make people psychologically stable. On the contrary, they tried to make people infantile, consumerist, destroy their separate personality … I seriously advise people to find time and watch something, find a method of managing stress that works for them. Even if, God willing, we escape war - the death of loved ones, losing a job, various stresses are just as hard on people and people take them just as poorly as full-blown warfare. People don't think about it before it happens, and when it happens they are unable to deal with it and unable to handle themselves. So, everybody, especially those poor survivalists who are hoarding tons of canned food and guns - I recommend they spend a portion of the time they spend doing all that stuff and actually work on themselves and their psychological state. Trust me, psychological stability in a crisis situation is much more important than a whole roomful of canned goods. If you can't control yourself, you will die with the canned food, if you are stable, you will survive without it." |
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Soviet Union had a SHTF without foreign armies fighting anyone in their terroritory. Soviet Union had a large population and territory.
Thailand has had 11 revolutions or coup d'etats since 1932. They have 80m people, are surrounded on all sides by potentially adversarial countries. I'm not implying that I want a civil war, but I reject the premise that foreign army presence would be guaranteed. We have few neighbors and oceans seperating us from competitive powers. The Navy and NORAD etc would probably still be functional in a defensive role in a revolution, there's precedence for that sort of thing. "Mexican Seperatists with AA," really? Lol. Don't forget Canadian Nationalists with maple syrup hoses. |
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Yup. SHTF sucks, OP is right. I wrote extensively on the subject. Well, mostly translated people who have been through it. Some of it is "Russian propaganda" (AKA the other viewpoint) from combatants in Ukraine or Syria, but both sides in those civil wars agree that SHTF in modern society is very bad. Diabetics die, for one thing. Interviews from current civil wars- citizen militia is needed, psychological training very important Citizen militia medic: "The biggest problem was psychological: people were not ready for stress. We had panic attacks, various mental problems, constant quarrels for all sorts of reasons … And the corporate mass media never actually talked about such a scenario being possible, they never tried to make people psychologically stable. On the contrary, they tried to make people infantile, consumerist, destroy their separate personality … I seriously advise people to find time and watch something, find a method of managing stress that works for them. Even if, God willing, we escape war - the death of loved ones, losing a job, various stresses are just as hard on people and people take them just as poorly as full-blown warfare. People don't think about it before it happens, and when it happens they are unable to deal with it and unable to handle themselves. So, everybody, especially those poor survivalists who are hoarding tons of canned food and guns - I recommend they spend a portion of the time they spend doing all that stuff and actually work on themselves and their psychological state. Trust me, psychological stability in a crisis situation is much more important than a whole roomful of canned goods. If you can't control yourself, you will die with the canned food, if you are stable, you will survive without it." Question for you: When DasRonin was obviously trolling you over semantics and being a general jackass, why didn't you just ignore him and continue? I enjoyed your posts. |
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Soviet Union had a SHTF without foreign armies fighting anyone in their terroritory. Soviet Union had a large population and territory. Thailand has had 11 revolutions or coup d'etats since 1932. They have 80m people, are surrounded on all sides by potentially adversarial countries. I'm not implying that I want a civil war, but I reject the premise that foreign army presence would be guaranteed. We have few neighbors and oceans seperating us from competitive powers. The Navy and NORAD etc would probably still be functional in a defensive role in a revolution, there's precedence for that sort of thing. "Mexican Seperatists with AA," really? Lol. Don't forget Canadian Nationalists with maple syrup hoses. Agreed, but who cares? When "White Power" idiots are fighting BLM on your street, does it really matter that much whether China has boots on the ground, or simply ships in weapons and advisers? Heck, if Soviet examples are to be believed, you WANT foreign involvement. The big guys coming in and telling everyone to play nice stopped e.g. Transnistria from getting really bad, and saved Tajikistan from an islamist takeover. |
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Question for you: When DasRonin was obviously trolling you over semantics and being a general jackass, why didn't you just ignore him and continue? I enjoyed your posts. Quoted:
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Yup. SHTF sucks, OP is right. I wrote extensively on the subject. Well, mostly translated people who have been through it. Some of it is "Russian propaganda" (AKA the other viewpoint) from combatants in Ukraine or Syria, but both sides in those civil wars agree that SHTF in modern society is very bad. Diabetics die, for one thing. Interviews from current civil wars- citizen militia is needed, psychological training very important Citizen militia medic: "The biggest problem was psychological: people were not ready for stress. We had panic attacks, various mental problems, constant quarrels for all sorts of reasons … And the corporate mass media never actually talked about such a scenario being possible, they never tried to make people psychologically stable. On the contrary, they tried to make people infantile, consumerist, destroy their separate personality … I seriously advise people to find time and watch something, find a method of managing stress that works for them. Even if, God willing, we escape war - the death of loved ones, losing a job, various stresses are just as hard on people and people take them just as poorly as full-blown warfare. People don't think about it before it happens, and when it happens they are unable to deal with it and unable to handle themselves. ..." Question for you: When DasRonin was obviously trolling you over semantics and being a general jackass, why didn't you just ignore him and continue? I enjoyed your posts. Lack of time. I'm really busy at my day job, and my "propaganda" hobby eats up what's left. Right now I'm just posting here cause of ADD
I'd love to discuss some broader issues in depth (like the nature of terrorism, economics, civil wars, independent journalism, etc.), but currently I just can't devote the hours necessary to have a real thoughtful discussion. If you enjoy my articles, I posted some fresh links in the end of the militia warfare thread not that long ago. |
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I think it's because we all know we're going to die. We're all guaranteed to to experience a personal SHTF ....alone. Then I think some people get jaded when it finally hits them that the ride for them is more than half over. That's why a lot of the conspiracy nuts are middle-aged. Maybe they have regret, maybe things didn't work out the way they thought it would, or just maybe it crept up on them. One day they were young and the future was wide open, and quite suddenly, they're old, and options are limited. Some will have a genuine personal SHTF, they'll get seriously ill, or lose their job, career, or business, and see their financials crash. Going through a personal "financial crash" must really suck when the Kardashians are on, people are buying new cars and homes, and going on vacations. I can completely understand how deep down they might "wish" everyone was going through a financial crash. ...and that's what I think it comes down to. We know we're going to get old, sick, and die, and when we do we're going to experience death, alone. Nobody want's to go through a SHTF alone, it would suck. |
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Quoted: OP, I bet you talk in the middle of porn, critiquing the lighting and then wonder why you can't get a boner. I'll take SHTF of any species. Burn it. All. |
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Quoted: That sounds awesome. That guy here who just bought a flamethrower is going to be ahead of the rest of us in this scenario. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Depends what kind of SHTF we are talking... Economic collapse kind of SHTF, or getting chased by an angry T-Rex kind of SHTF? That sounds awesome. That guy here who just bought a flamethrower is going to be ahead of the rest of us in this scenario. |
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Quoted: In a country as big and with as many resources as the US, there is no "SHTF" without foreign intervention. |
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I think we can all just agree that an abusive, disconnected and totally unaccountable federal behemoth that now openly uses its various beareaucratic arms to destroy and disenfranchise republicans and subvert common law protections - which are the only things that actually bind us all - is much preferable to "SHTF".
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I think we can all just agree that an abusive, disconnected and totally unaccountable federal behemoth that now openly uses its various beareaucratic arms to destroy and disenfranchise republicans and subvert common law protections - which are the only things that actually bind us all - is much preferable to "SHTF". ^Yup. The problem is, the system doesn't usually get destroyed from the outside. It collapses from within. |
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^Yup. The problem is, the system doesn't usually get destroyed from the outside. It collapses from within. Quoted:
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I think we can all just agree that an abusive, disconnected and totally unaccountable federal behemoth that now openly uses its various beareaucratic arms to destroy and disenfranchise republicans and subvert common law protections - which are the only things that actually bind us all - is much preferable to "SHTF". ^Yup. The problem is, the system doesn't usually get destroyed from the outside. It collapses from within. At this point collapse might be a positive. 10,000 Louis Lerners are running the show now. To think they would hesitate to destroy anyone here - and our families - over political differences is laughable. This is why I love Bernie sanders. If he can pull an Obama for the next few years, we'll see it fall apart. |
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At this point collapse might be a positive. 10,000 Louis Lerners are running the show now. To think they would hesitate to destroy anyone here - and our families - over political differences is laughable. This is why I love Bernie sanders. If he can pull an Obama for the next few years, we'll see it fall apart. Quoted:
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I think we can all just agree that an abusive, disconnected and totally unaccountable federal behemoth that now openly uses its various beareaucratic arms to destroy and disenfranchise republicans and subvert common law protections - which are the only things that actually bind us all - is much preferable to "SHTF". ^Yup. The problem is, the system doesn't usually get destroyed from the outside. It collapses from within. At this point collapse might be a positive. 10,000 Louis Lerners are running the show now. To think they would hesitate to destroy anyone here - and our families - over political differences is laughable. This is why I love Bernie sanders. If he can pull an Obama for the next few years, we'll see it fall apart. Trust me, it won't be "positive". Not just because civil war sucks, but because the aftermath sucks as well, for a very very long time. Whatever utopia you think would replace the feds - probably isn't happening. I spent a long time studying modern civil wars; I think one in US is possible, although unlikely; I don't think it would be a good thing at all. |
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I don't believe anyone really wants a SHTF scenario to go down, I just think people have gotten so pissed at .gov that they dream of an easy reset to the system and there isn't one. The best we could hope for is a coup of some kind, supported by the military and that occurs with relatively little bloodshed outside of .gov entities, happens quickly and doesn't affect the daily existence of too many people. But that's a scenario based on quite a few hopes and assumptions. Anything approaching a "real" civil war? Mr. and Mrs. Primetime are gonna sh*t. |
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I hear people in real life and on the internet hoping for a SHTF event and idolizing the American Revolution But stop and think The American revolution was NOT just freedom won by some brave patriots with personally owned weapons. They deserve credit for getting the ball rolling and firing the first . But the war itself.. The French had just lost a war where they had paid and helped native americans attack and torture both British soldiers and colonists. This war is why the British raised taxes The French saw an opportunity to help a failing group of rebels embarrass their geopolitical foe ( think "Moderate Syrian Rebels", or the Taliban precursor in the 1980s) The French deployed their army on American soil to kill British troops. (This is the same French army that had just a couple decades prior helped the native americans torture and kill British soldiers AND COLONISTS) This is what won the war. And in a modern day SHTF, it would be Russia and China not France. In a country as big and with as many resources as the US, there is no "SHTF" without foreign intervention. Careful what people wish for end rant If you follow the Tommmy101 thread, Tommy101 warned that we will have foreign troops here and they will be invited by "our" government. I suspect many are already here under the pretense of training. There is an Uri-Nation agreement that the US has signed to allow foreign troops in here to help quell civil unrest. Likewise, US troops overseas are expected to do the same thing. I don't welcome SHTF and embrace boring and dullness. Having read plenty of books about the Civil War, Round II would be even messier and it's easy to see fifty to sixty million dead within two months just because of a breakdown of food delivery services, utilities (electricity and water which means big sanitation and waste disposal issues) medicine and the medical system, riots, armed robberies, gang warfare, etc. |
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Quoted: Last summer Visited Fort Griswald in Groton. Fort was attacked by the British and the New Jersey Volunteers. Americans were executed after the battle. Commander killed with his own sword. I always thought the war was Americans against the British. Realize now it was somewhat murkier. Almost like a Civil War. |