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10/9/2008 6:29:21 PM EDT
with the collapse of the stock market, and the world markets following suit, has the fecal matter finally hit the oslolating circulation device for real this time?
10/9/2008 6:32:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Not yet, when the 3rd ID Spartan Brigade deploys to a major US City then I would start getting ready
10/9/2008 6:36:03 PM EDT
[#2]
I'm not living in a shanty or having to hike miles due to being a refugee so I say the SHHTF (Shit Hasn't Hit The Fan) yet.
10/9/2008 6:37:03 PM EDT
[#3]
Every mess has to start somewhere, this is where it starts this time.
10/9/2008 6:37:33 PM EDT
[#4]
SHTF is defined as the day I sit down at my desk and can't get to arfcom.  So, no, not SHTF (yet).
10/9/2008 6:38:37 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
SHTF is defined as the day I sit down at my desk and can't get to arfcom.  So, no, not SHTF (yet).


That will be a sad, sad day.  It shall be known as "The Day there were no Dupes."  
10/9/2008 6:39:13 PM EDT
[#6]
what about in process?
10/9/2008 6:41:07 PM EDT
[#7]
This is just the stormfront approaching.
10/9/2008 6:41:54 PM EDT
[#8]
We're somewhere in the middle.
10/9/2008 6:43:02 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
SHTF is defined as the day I sit down at my desk and can't get to arfcom.  So, no, not SHTF (yet).


That will be a sad, sad day.  It shall be known as "The Day there were no Dupes."  




10/9/2008 6:46:03 PM EDT
[#10]
No I think it's more like a fart hitting the blades.

However, if our nation were to suffer a terrorist attack right now we would be FUBAR.
10/9/2008 6:46:13 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Not yet, when the 3rd ID Spartan Brigade deploys to a major US City then I would start getting ready


Well we are in prepatory Battalion Utilization Light Load Standard Hostile Infantry Tactics stage currently. Which means we can be ready to go in 24 hours.
10/9/2008 6:47:31 PM EDT
[#12]
70's and 80's You would of been able to make this case alittle more solid, SHTF? Not yet..But the shit is primed and ready to be thrown!
10/9/2008 6:50:46 PM EDT
[#13]
Not yet lets just say the fart that proceeds the actual S is in the air and hitting the fan.

But the actual S is right behind the spincter mucsle and said muscle is starting to relax....


10/9/2008 6:51:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Not looking good for sure.
10/9/2008 6:53:11 PM EDT
[#15]
This is only the begining.
10/9/2008 6:53:14 PM EDT
[#16]
I think the shit is now ballistic but has a ways to go before it meets the fan.

This is not the part of the fall that sucks, it's just that twinge in your gut after it's too late to grab on and before all the fun of waiting for the impact...
10/9/2008 6:54:10 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
with the collapse of the stock market, and the world markets following suit, has the fecal matter finally hit the oslolating circulation device for real this time?


Collapse?  Ohs noes!!
10/9/2008 6:55:24 PM EDT
[#18]
The shit is still airborne, enroute to the target fan...
10/9/2008 6:55:29 PM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
This is only the begining.


This.
10/9/2008 6:56:40 PM EDT
[#20]
Just send the money & guns, you can keep the lawyers for now.

10/9/2008 6:56:55 PM EDT
[#21]

Quoted:
SHTF is defined as the day I sit down at my desk and can't get to arfcom.  So, no, not SHTF (yet).


Pretty good definition, either the electric grid has failed, government as imposed draconian restrictions on communications, large asteroid has taken down the server, or all the sponsors have failed due to absolute gun control laws being enforced.
10/9/2008 7:00:26 PM EDT
[#22]
What about a choice for "we will soon"?
10/9/2008 7:03:51 PM EDT
[#23]
Argentina 2001 here we come.
10/9/2008 7:06:33 PM EDT
[#24]
The shit is on the launch pad. The fan is reving up. The countdown has begun. All systems are go for a launch.
10/9/2008 7:12:52 PM EDT
[#25]
not yet. but the shit and the fan are getting closer by the day.........
10/9/2008 7:15:25 PM EDT
[#26]
Were getting close, I am not seeing anything that is going to avert shit happening in the next few months.
10/9/2008 7:21:19 PM EDT
[#27]
i hope so
10/9/2008 7:21:45 PM EDT
[#28]
10/9/2008 7:22:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Gee, where is Dave to pat us on the ass and tell us gubmint will take care of us?
.....In a FEMA camp?

Yeah, this is just the start. Prolly a big false flag op soon too.
10/9/2008 7:23:13 PM EDT
[#30]
sheese..

shtf..

when there is no government..

when there is no electricity and running water..

when there is no gas..

when there is no food..

when cannibals roam the streets in broad daylight..

when dogfood is a fried dog thats your dinner..

thats SHTF....

this is an everyday occurence in parts of africa...

ifen you want SHTF get on a boat and get over there.. sudan dafur, somali coast

heck.. the economy goes much worse i may start a biz doing shft experiences .. spend a month in on the skeleton coast... all expenses paid.. but you must sign over all your possessions to me before i book your tour...

ah shft is not your 401k loosing 75 percent...
10/9/2008 7:27:18 PM EDT
[#31]
We've lost close to the same percentage in the Dow, in two weeks, as the market lost in two days in 1929.

I'd say the fuse is lit, but I don't know how big the charge is going to be.

i'm reasonably certain that there are a lot of attorneys and accountants, burning the midnight oil right now, in between checking their wristwatches, trying to figure out how many more weeks, days, hours, or minutes, they can squeeze normal operations out of a company's assets, without being able to borrow short term.

Many company's stock is down so far, they will have a hard time borrowing long term too, no assets to secure loans with.

I didn't like the idea of bailing out gambler losses, but the money is committed, and if it gets turned into actual short term loans, at high volume, before the crest of the coming wave of bankruptcies hits, this might end up rough like the 80's, not dismal like the 30s.

If not, there will probably be enough bankruptcies to start another round of bank failures.

Layoffs, you bet. It's already happening. One of the Virginias laid off some 600 state workers today.

NBC Nightly news tonight, Brian Williams was speculating whether GM can survive another year and a half. If GMs at risk, not only is NO company safe, the real problem is that nobody KNOWS who's safe, and who got "lucky" enough to borrow just before the short term loan markets froze, and who now can't pay that back, and also can't even service the debt.

The average Joe Sixpack is just now wondering how bad this is going to hurt. When he starts actually feeling the pain, I'd not care to predict how he will react. Whoever takes the White House probably has carte blanche to rewrite whatever he chooses to, inmcluding the US Constitution, with the emergency as his excuse. There's a LOT riding on this election. My money's on Palin, win, lose, or draw.

I don't think the question is whether we get beat down any more, we're going to get beat down.

The question is how far?

I'd prefer a rehash of the 1980s to a replay of the 1930s.

I'd prefer a replay of the 1930s to a couple hundred years back in the dark ages.

In any event, I'm about as ready as I can reasonably expect to be, for 80's, 30's, or chaos. I'm dialing in more survival systems by the day, and another month would put me in very good shape, but if we don't have a month, so be it.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.

10/9/2008 7:38:09 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
... I'm dialing in more survival systems by the day, and another month would put me in very good shape, but if we don't have a month, so be it.

Hope for the best, plan for the worst.



+1

At this point everday is a extra blessng to enjoy it berfore we have to pay for it.
10/9/2008 7:42:03 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Not yet, when the 3rd ID Spartan Brigade deploys to a major US City then I would start getting ready


Well we are in prepatory Battalion Utilization Light Load Standard Hostile Infantry Tactics stage currently. Which means we can be ready to go in 24 hours.


10/9/2008 7:42:17 PM EDT
[#34]
Personally, I don't think we are in full SHTF mode. Heck, I don't believe we are in an economic meltdown, either. Too many people working for that to happen.

Just be smart with your money and always have a backup plan for everything.
10/9/2008 7:42:47 PM EDT
[#35]
One of the things I love about GD and SF are all the interesting and clever ways that people come up with to describe SHTF.

"Fecal matter hit the oslolating" (sic) "circulation device."

Hmmm.

So does the "circulation device" imbue its recipients with Oslo, Norway like characteristics?

FYI: "Oscillating."
10/9/2008 7:43:40 PM EDT
[#36]
We aren't about to see a revolution, but we are about to see tough times, increased crime, and a shitty world for a little whie.
10/9/2008 7:44:46 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii311/desgren/shf.jpg


Holy "SHIT!"


Quoted for posterity.
10/9/2008 7:45:03 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
SHTF is defined as the day I sit down at my desk and can't get to arfcom.  So, no, not SHTF (yet).


Pretty good definition, either the electric grid has failed, government as imposed draconian restrictions on communications, large asteroid has taken down the server, or all the sponsors have failed due to absolute gun control laws being enforced.


Yup.  As long as we have Arfcom, we are ok.
10/9/2008 7:47:47 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:
i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii311/desgren/shf.jpg


The wings are a nice touch.
10/9/2008 7:49:57 PM EDT
[#40]
12/21/12
is when SHTF.  Look at everything that is happening in this world.  Its just the beginning.
10/9/2008 7:55:28 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
Personally, I don't think we are in full SHTF mode. Heck, I don't believe we are in an economic meltdown, either. Too many people working for that to happen.

Just be smart with your money and always have a backup plan for everything.


This.

10/9/2008 8:00:08 PM EDT
[#42]
Its still ok as of right now.
Jan  we will just have to see.
God help us if BHO gets in and decieds he knows what is best for us.
10/9/2008 8:00:51 PM EDT
[#43]
Oh shi-
10/9/2008 8:06:02 PM EDT
[#44]
almost, but not quite.  i was surprised at the poll though.
10/9/2008 8:24:30 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
We're somewhere in the middle.


agreed
10/9/2008 8:27:42 PM EDT
[#46]
When I actually start using the range data that I have created for the area that I live in - only then has the SHTF.

Until then.... just keep practicing.
10/9/2008 8:50:43 PM EDT
[#47]

Quoted:
Not yet, when the 3rd ID Spartan Brigade deploys to a major US City then I would start getting ready


When that happens, expect to have some Canadian soldiers operating in the US, too.


www.northcom.mil/News/2008/021408.html


U.S. Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, commander of North American Aerospace Defense Command and U.S. Northern Command, and Canadian Air Force Lt.-Gen. Marc Dumais, commander of Canada Command, have signed a Civil Assistance Plan that allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation during a civil emergency.


www.northcom.mil/News/2008/083108G_a.html


For the first time, U.S. Northern Command and Canada Command used the Civil Assistance Plan to coordinate Canadian military support that was in response to Hurricane Gustav.
...
After receiving approval of both the governments of Canada and the United States, Canada Command deployed a CC-177 Globemaster aircraft from Canadian Forces Base Trenton, Ontario to Lakefront, Louisiana and conducted evacuation of persons in the threatened New Orleans’s area. Canadian Forces aeromedical personnel were onboard the aircraft to assist U.S. personnel with any patients or medical issues.