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Posted: 2/20/2012 3:28:41 AM EDT
So what have I missed with them? I've seen on FB them call out one member here, and now they're talking about SOE posts being edited/deleted. 
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If you guys love him so much and want to see these threads stop, why not go convince him to pay back the people he ripped off instead of trying to shame those people for speaking out against him? He's the one that caused this problem and his public bragging about how well his business is doing certainly makes it sound like he could easily write a check and end this if he gave a shit about doing the right thing. Again, it's great that you guys have had good experiences with him, but your good experiences don't cancel out his ripping other people off. Forming up a little John Willis Fan Club to come here and try to convince people to give up on ever getting their money back and forgive him because of how much you like him isn't going to help the situation either. Frankly, I don't understand why you guys keep coming back with the same old shit about how well your orders went and how guys are wrong for saying anything publically about how John Willis ripped them off and still won't make things right. This thread never should have stayed in a Tech Forum to begin with, and it certainly doesn't fit here now, so I'm moving it to GD. |
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If I remember correctly....:
A guy bought several hundred dollars worth of custom stuff I think he didn't get it for a year(s). He then tried to get them just to send him a stuff they have in stock so he could at least get something out of his money. SOE says it never happened. SOE then started a little campaign of staying away from Arcom, like that would hurt a forum with something like 50,000+ members. So basically it is he said/she said. 
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If I remember correctly....: A guy bought several hundred dollars worth of custom stuff I think he didn't get it for a year(s). He then tried to get them just to send him a stuff they have in stock so he could at least get something out of his money. SOE says it never happened. SOE then started a little campaign of staying away from Arcom, like that would hurt a forum with something like 50,000+ members. So basically it is he said/she said. Well I guess I meant recently. I've heard all that before, wondering if there was something new |
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I don't know of any "directive" from above requiring editing/deletion of posts by SOE. We don't do things like that here. OTOH, if there happened to be individual threads and/or posts that went over the edge of the COC, then some editing might have occurred in specific instances; likwise, if a particular thread got out of hand to the point where it was impossible to edit/save, then it is possible that that particular thread might be trashed. Also, if a particular poster were to violate the CoC, that particular poster might be sanctioned. All of the above is strictly SOP here, as longtime posters will acknowledge. I am entirely unaware of any vendetta on the part of the Management/Staff of this site and SOE. As far as I know, SOE is treated exatly the same as any other poster. |
| Ive ordered several items from SOE over the years, and never had an issue. If the poster above ordered a wallet and didn't get it , get with paypal. Thats how I paid my orders. On another note, I have been accused of being a cheerleader for and maybe an employee of SOE, because I made a thread about a wallet I bought from them. The mod that made the accusation, apologized over it. I own some Colts too, and I like them, doesn't mean I work for Colt. |
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SOE is tits. I love their gear and it's built like the proverbial brick shit house. The minute you put it on, it just works. Period.
I've ordered my gear thru John and OSOE since October - literally a thousand bucks worth of stuff - and received it on time, if not early. Sorry if I am sounding like a fanboy...but I am. |
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Place an order a year ago... Still haven't heard anything about it. Last comunication with him was that when it was ready to ship he'd send me an e-mail on how to pay. Glad I didn't prepay.
From what I gather it's a horrible disorganized company with good product and a not so stand up owner. |
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Place an order a year ago... Still haven't heard anything about it. Last comunication with him was that when it was ready to ship he'd send me an e-mail on how to pay. Glad I didn't prepay. From what I gather it's a horrible disorganized company with good product and a not so stand up owner. Yep. 
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GOTURBACK here,
I have only One direct purchase from OSOE and it was last week, I wanted a compact tear-off med pouch vertical (multicam) and tried to order one from Tactical Response Gear but they did not show it being available, shortly thereafter I received an e-mail from John Willis stating that he was making some that week and if I wanted one he would let me know to when they were ready so that I could authorize the pay pal payment, later that same week he e-mailed me stating it was ready and I authorized the payment, he subsequently e-mailed me a tracking # and several days later my new med. pouch arrived. NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. John does not take payment for products until they are ready to be shipped now, and I have nothing but good things to say about my transaction. GOTURBACK |
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My only transaction with OSOE was around last fall. They were having a sale. I placed my order. John emailed me and told me he would advise when ready to ship and not to send payment until the order was made. A day or so later he emailed me and said it was ready send payment, which I promptly did. he sent me a notice and I think a tracking number and the package arrived very quickly.
I have no complaints with OSOE, their gear or CS. My .02 and of course YMMV. |
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For the record, I'm not doubting the quality of their product. I've got one SOE product, which I bought from a distributor. I'm also not questioning their ability to supply said products. It really does seem hit or miss.
Like I said, last week he called out a AR15.com member on FB, and then this week made a comment about threads/posts were being deleted on AR15.com, and something about haters going to hate. I tried searching, but came up with squat (though I guess if things were deleted I wouldn't have found it  ), so was just wondering what I was missing.
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Just ordered a black pouch for my MS-2000 strobe. Needed some custom work done to it too. Velcro on backside so I can attach it to my MICH ACH TC2001 helmet. John shipped it right away. I had it in about 5-6 days. It's flawless. Excellent product, good communications and very fast shipping.
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| I have ordered from him in the past and gotten a good product quickly. however, DO NOT order from him. His business practices are very dishonorable. There is a EE thread where he basically stole $500 from someone here and he openly threatens people on facebook who question him, including me and Aimless. He is a lowlife. |
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Place an order a year ago... Still haven't heard anything about it. Last comunication with him was that when it was ready to ship he'd send me an e-mail on how to pay. Glad I didn't prepay. From what I gather it's a horrible disorganized company with good product and a not so stand up owner. Yep. That's a grossly inaccurate statement. He's had prepay for quite some time, well over a year too. |
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Every piece of my gear is either OSOE or waiting to be replaced by OSOE. The gear is just unbeleivably good - thought out to the smallest detail and then built like a brick shithouse. I never worry about my gear failing at an inopportune time, and for working here in Afghanistan, you can't put a price on that piece of mind.
I've placed several orders with John and about to place another big one for me and some guys over here. It arrived fast and exaclty how i ordered it. Order with confidence. On a different note, he is not a touchy feely kinda guy. I think if he would mind his Facebook posts and paid at least a little bit of attention to his responses to customers, the past issues wouldn't keep popping up every so often. He will tell you like it is on gear, though....and his is the best i've tried personally. |
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So what have I missed with them? I've seen on FB them call out one member here, and now they're talking about SOE posts being edited/deleted. Its OSOE, not SOE... that's owned by the ex Original SOE is the company, website page. SOE is their Facebook page. So I wasn't exactly wrong calling them SOE. |
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Place an order a year ago... Still haven't heard anything about it. Last comunication with him was that when it was ready to ship he'd send me an e-mail on how to pay. Glad I didn't prepay. From what I gather it's a horrible disorganized company with good product and a not so stand up owner. Yep. That's a grossly inaccurate statement. He's had prepay for quite some time, well over a year too. Please explain. Whether he has prepaid or not I still feel my comment about him and OSOE/SOE stands valid and fair. |
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Place an order a year ago... Still haven't heard anything about it. Last comunication with him was that when it was ready to ship he'd send me an e-mail on how to pay. Glad I didn't prepay. From what I gather it's a horrible disorganized company with good product and a not so stand up owner. Yep. That's a grossly inaccurate statement. He's had prepay for quite some time, well over a year too. Please explain. Whether he has prepaid or not I still feel my comment about him and OSOE/SOE stands valid and fair. Well his policy of pre-pay is simple. You get told when the equipment is ready, you pay, they ship. If you pay before hand and you don't get your equipment in X amount of days, you're likely to start writing nasty emails and blasting his company on various gun sites. Now, John Willis has also had the policy of supporting active duty personnel/units who put money down on equipment and shipping to them first. If you are a civilian (I'm not) and you pay before the equipment is ready then you're going about it wrong. Talk to the company and talk to him, they are easy enough to work with. If you're on Facebook, become a fan of OSOE and see their sales, equipment production lines, when stuff is ready and you can even place orders there by letting him know what you're interested in. Every time I or someone else asks a question on Facebook, he replies within a short time to let you know how much and tells you to make sure you PayPal account is straight (name matches with address and all that). I can see how you may view that as disorganized but the owner is a stand up guy. He's not taking your money and keeping it. He doesn't float it to make pay roll, re-stocking, or cocaine fueled sex that ends with dead hookers and a turtle shell. If you want a refund, send him a message and he'll send it back. He's fairly easy to work with and no I don't think thats because of my occupation, I'm not some member of DEVGRU or even an infantry company. |
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Other people have posted that he will in fact take your money. Also canceling a deal with him isn't as easy as you make it out to be since he will likely post your personal information on Facebook and cuss you out. He has done that as recently as yesterday.
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Well his policy of pre-pay is simple. You get told when the equipment is ready, you pay, they ship. If you pay before hand and you don't get your equipment in X amount of days, you're likely to start writing nasty emails and blasting his company on various gun sites. Now, John Willis has also had the policy of supporting active duty personnel/units who put money down on equipment and shipping to them first. If you are a civilian (I'm not) and you pay before the equipment is ready then you're going about it wrong. Talk to the company and talk to him, they are easy enough to work with. If you're on Facebook, become a fan of OSOE and see their sales, equipment production lines, when stuff is ready and you can even place orders there by letting him know what you're interested in. Every time I or someone else asks a question on Facebook, he replies within a short time to let you know how much and tells you to make sure you PayPal account is straight (name matches with address and all that). I can see how you may view that as disorganized but the owner is a stand up guy. He's not taking your money and keeping it. He doesn't float it to make pay roll, re-stocking, or cocaine fueled sex that ends with dead hookers and a turtle shell. If you want a refund, send him a message and he'll send it back. He's fairly easy to work with and no I don't think thats because of my occupation, I'm not some member of DEVGRU or even an infantry company. |
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Quoted: I think he means Facebook posts being edited or deleted by FacebookI don't know of any "directive" from above requiring editing/deletion of posts by SOE. We don't do things like that here. OTOH, if there happened to be individual threads and/or posts that went over the edge of the COC, then some editing might have occurred in specific instances; likwise, if a particular thread got out of hand to the point where it was impossible to edit/save, then it is possible that that particular thread might be trashed. Also, if a particular poster were to violate the CoC, that particular poster might be sanctioned. All of the above is strictly SOP here, as longtime posters will acknowledge. I am entirely unaware of any vendetta on the part of the Management/Staff of this site and SOE. As far as I know, SOE is treated exatly the same as any other poster. |
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Quoted: SOE makes the best gear but some mall ninjas get upset when a company prioritizes deployed soldier orders. I know nothing about SOE making that claim, but I can tell you from previous experience that anyone claiming they are fucking up filling up orders because "I take care of warfighters first!" is probably lying and fucking up. I got that same line (and so did others) years ago from a large tactical supply place, even on stuff like leather glock holsters (right lots of Airborne troopers running around with leather inside the waist band glock 19 holsters I bet). I found out through other people in the industry it was just a bullshit line because the place had such a thin supply of stuff in stock. Hell I once had an order for kneepads that took over a year from one of those places, the same knee pads were on the shelf in Lowe's the whole time. |
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Well his policy of pre-pay is simple. You get told when the equipment is ready, you pay, they ship. If you pay before hand and you don't get your equipment in X amount of days, you're likely to start writing nasty emails and blasting his company on various gun sites. Now, John Willis has also had the policy of supporting active duty personnel/units who put money down on equipment and shipping to them first. If you are a civilian (I'm not) and you pay before the equipment is ready then you're going about it wrong. Talk to the company and talk to him, they are easy enough to work with. If you're on Facebook, become a fan of OSOE and see their sales, equipment production lines, when stuff is ready and you can even place orders there by letting him know what you're interested in. Every time I or someone else asks a question on Facebook, he replies within a short time to let you know how much and tells you to make sure you PayPal account is straight (name matches with address and all that). I can see how you may view that as disorganized but the owner is a stand up guy. He's not taking your money and keeping it. He doesn't float it to make pay roll, re-stocking, or cocaine fueled sex that ends with dead hookers and a turtle shell. If you want a refund, send him a message and he'll send it back. He's fairly easy to work with and no I don't think thats because of my occupation, I'm not some member of DEVGRU or even an infantry company. I've had to cancel several orders with John and never had a problem...a few were over his worst pet peeve - not having the color I needed in stock due to supplier issues. As long as you and Aimless take the time to bash OSOE, I will take the time to chime in with my support....as long as we keep it respectful, I see no problem with that. I am certainly not a HSLD kinda guy, but I do work alone in a very hostile country. I don't know what you do, Wes - and it doesn't matter - we all have a right to our opinion. I am pretty sure all Aimless does is wear his Condor gear naked in front of the computer while increasing his post per day count  ....
I am not a "Fan Boy" of any certain make or model of gun or gear - but I will say this and stand behind it 100 percent: Regardless of any argument and mitigating business practice factors, OSOE gear speaks for itself. I've ran thru a lot of different kinds - none come close in terms of quality and function. I wear it and put my faith in it to serve its purpose everyday without any hesitation. I will say this, the foul language and posting here and on Facebook are doing neither side any good. I'd really like to see a satisfactory resolution to this on-going saga. Everyone should at least have an OSOE Micro Wallet if just for the tag of origin alone. |
| The foul language is pretty one sided in the form of childish name calling and vague threats from John and his buddies. I own kit from John and if you look at my posts starting in 2009 I recommend him often. The fact is that he is a terrible business man in several aspects. His stuff is good but so are a dozen other US manufacturers that don't have the ordering issues or the attitude problem. |
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I concede his work is very good and I've ordered his stuff in the past on more than one occassion. That said, after having received an incomplete order and payment already in his hands, I became less enthused. E-mails and attempted phone calls over multiple times went nowhere and that solidified my perception of John Willis and OSOE. There are gear makers out there in abundance that make items as good with better customer service. Why roll the dice on Willis when there are surer bets?
And even with my singular issue with OSOE aside, isn't the fact that this guy's name coming up in so many forums and conversations in a negative light reason enough to keep away? You'd certainly do it with any other manufactured item. Lastly, the whole obscenity laden name tag deal tied to the USA is clear evidence of this man's mentality. I wish he had started that years ago. It surely would have been a "warning sign" to keep away from this joker. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Other people have posted that he will in fact take your money. Also canceling a deal with him isn't as easy as you make it out to be since he will likely post your personal information on Facebook and cuss you out. He has done that as recently as yesterday. Quoted: Well his policy of pre-pay is simple. You get told when the equipment is ready, you pay, they ship. If you pay before hand and you don't get your equipment in X amount of days, you're likely to start writing nasty emails and blasting his company on various gun sites. Now, John Willis has also had the policy of supporting active duty personnel/units who put money down on equipment and shipping to them first. If you are a civilian (I'm not) and you pay before the equipment is ready then you're going about it wrong. Talk to the company and talk to him, they are easy enough to work with. If you're on Facebook, become a fan of OSOE and see their sales, equipment production lines, when stuff is ready and you can even place orders there by letting him know what you're interested in. Every time I or someone else asks a question on Facebook, he replies within a short time to let you know how much and tells you to make sure you PayPal account is straight (name matches with address and all that). I can see how you may view that as disorganized but the owner is a stand up guy. He's not taking your money and keeping it. He doesn't float it to make pay roll, re-stocking, or cocaine fueled sex that ends with dead hookers and a turtle shell. If you want a refund, send him a message and he'll send it back. He's fairly easy to work with and no I don't think thats because of my occupation, I'm not some member of DEVGRU or even an infantry company. I've had to cancel several orders with John and never had a problem...a few were over his worst pet peeve - not having the color I needed in stock due to supplier issues. As long as you and Aimless take the time to bash OSOE, I will take the time to chime in with my support....as long as we keep it respectful, I see no problem with that. I am certainly not a HSLD kinda guy, but I do work alone in a very hostile country. I don't know what you do, Wes - and it doesn't matter - we all have a right to our opinion. I am pretty sure all Aimless does is wear his Condor gear naked in front of the computer while increasing his post per day count ....I am not a "Fan Boy" of any certain make or model of gun or gear - but I will say this and stand behind it 100 percent: Regardless of any argument and mitigating business practice factors, OSOE gear speaks for itself. I've ran thru a lot of different kinds - none come close in terms of quality and function. I wear it and put my faith in it to serve its purpose everyday without any hesitation. I will say this, the foul language and posting here and on Facebook are doing neither side any good. I'd really like to see a satisfactory resolution to this on-going saga. Everyone should at least have an OSOE Micro Wallet if just for the tag of origin alone. I don't know where you could find any foul language by me directed at this company or the owner. We have complaints of him taking money and not delivering a product. True or not he certainly has a reputation for not completing all the work he was paid for. That you got your stuff doesn't prove that everyone else got theirs. |
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Damn I had no idea this shit was going on. I have bought items from him in the past along with trading items for gear. His stuff is top notch but he can be a PITA to deal with. I bought some gear from him and had to hound him for weeks until he would get back to me. His system of I'll send you an email with my PP info when its ready, is fucked up. Just take my CC info and charge me when you ship. Simple as that.
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I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks.
Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow. |
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There's no doubt that John Willis makes excellent gear, and if he's no longer taking prepayment and he's filling all of his orders, then that's great too. However, this isn't a new issue. It's been going on for years now, and it's still remarkably easy to find people who say they gave John Willis money or trade items and have never gotten the gear they payed for or a refund. That's a problem. I don't find it the least bit okay to see him bragging about making millions selling gear while people who payed for gear years ago still have nothing to show for it. Back when he was still a member of this forum, John Willis had ample opportunity to come here and tell his side of the story. He didn't, claiming that he believed that his response would be deleted if he did. He still has the opportunity to make things right with the people who never got their shit. |
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I have been buying gear exclusively from Tactical Tailor since I learned issue gear sucks. Last year I discovered OSOE and have purchased a few items and have to say I have been pleased with its quality and am considering replacing the majority of my current kit with their stuff. Studying up on OSOE I believe there was a period of issues that have been worked through.I have had no issues as of yet and have been emailed about any info concerning my orders. Current issues I see on face book stem from people not following directions; heres a tutorial for those who may want to order from OSOE. 1. Go to OSOE website 2. Find gear you want and place in cart 3. Hit check out button, you will receive a prompt informing you that you will receive an email w/ availability, invoice, & payment info. 4. Wait for email, will arrive within 30 min usually 5. Email will provide explicit instructions on how much you owe and what email to send it to on paypal 6. If you dont have paypal make an account w/ them it takes 5 min 7. Send your payment via paypal, also cut and paste the items you ordered on the provided invoice to the comments section before sending. This expedites your processing and is stated in payment instructions. 8. You will receive an email once your order is shipped with tracking info. This can take a couple of days. Once I got this email it took 48hrs to be at my doorstep stateside. When overseas about 2wks +/-. As for FB, saw 2 toolbags last night on there complaining and saying they were unliking them. Why not just unlike and shut up. Then you got guys asking him to make ridiculous stuff or stuff he isnt going to make. People complaining that the pouches they ordered dont match their plate carrier. And people backing out on orders after shipment I would be pissed to. People have been bashing his business practices. Compared to my issues I have had w/ TT; OSOE has been stellar. Still like TT's stuff but when I order it will be through a distributor as opposed to their site. Why? 1. They take your cash upon order regardless if it is on backorder. 2. You receive no tracking info ( you used to in the past). 3. It takes up to 10 days to get an item stateside if overseas better be prepared for a month. 4. Orders I placed in the past (few years ago) I waited almost 2 weeks to receive never saw it; called and was told it was on BO. A recent order I got an Email 2 days later it was on BO called and was told it would be a month before I got it ( you would think they would have a multicam mav body on hand) I canceled and got my money forwarded to my account 4 days later after calling again to ask when I would be getting it back. Sound familiar; nobody's perfect. I still like TT and their products, dont see me placing inflammatory posts on their FB page. And for Johns responses, you reap what you sow. Just curious, why your first 2 posts on this site were in both of the SOE threads? |
| Yeah I am one of the toolbags from Facebook. I was a previous customer letting John know that his business practices were losing him me as a customer and the referrals I give. Some companies would take that knowledge into consideration. John made vague threats of violence towards me. There are plenty of companies not run by convicts who will try to intimidate people out of speaking against them. |
| If anyone is not following the issue on FB, wesmerc posted some harsh feelings towards John Willis. He started a bunch of drama over an issue that has nothing to do with him. And drags it over here. I don't get, if you dislike OSOE, don't mess with him. Its simple, the guy that claims he was ripped off years ago, does anyone know him in person? Or is he just another anonymous screen name with an agenda?? Willis uses his real name, his real address, you can pick up the phone and talk to him, or show up at his shop and hang out, or call his lawyer. Hes not some huge corporate gear manufacturer that outsources offshore and your just another job ticket. The gear industry eats its own, Ive learned this lately. |
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Well man that's your opinion and everyone has one. The only thing I disagree with about what transpired on facebook is that it just seems like a group of guys were trying to purposely smear the guy on his own page. So the guy that had the 500 stolen couldn't take any legal recourse on his own over the past five years. So now we get a bunch of pals and start an internet war on him or something like 15 yr olds. Ridiculous. And
I didn't see him threaten you he said you better tread lightly; which could mean a # of things. There is this thing called libel you go on his page throw up accusations he could take legal action. |
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If anyone is not following the issue on FB, wesmerc posted some harsh feelings towards John Willis. He started a bunch of drama over an issue that has nothing to do with him. And drags it over here. I don't get, if you dislike OSOE, don't mess with him. Its simple, the guy that claims he was ripped off years ago, does anyone know him in person? Or is he just another anonymous screen name with an agenda?? Willis uses his real name, his real address, you can pick up the phone and talk to him, or show up at his shop and hang out, or call his lawyer. Hes not some huge corporate gear manufacturer that outsources offshore and your just another job ticket. The gear industry eats its own, Ive learned this lately. +1 |
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If anyone is not following the issue on FB, wesmerc posted some harsh feelings towards John Willis. He started a bunch of drama over an issue that has nothing to do with him. And drags it over here. I don't get, if you dislike OSOE, don't mess with him. Its simple, the guy that claims he was ripped off years ago, does anyone know him in person? Or is he just another anonymous screen name with an agenda?? Willis uses his real name, his real address, you can pick up the phone and talk to him, or show up at his shop and hang out, or call his lawyer. Hes not some huge corporate gear manufacturer that outsources offshore and your just another job ticket. The gear industry eats its own, Ive learned this lately. Quoted:
Well man that's your opinion and everyone has one. The only thing I disagree with about what transpired on facebook is that it just seems like a group of guys were trying to purposely smear the guy on his own page. So the guy that had the 500 stolen couldn't take any legal recourse on his own over the past five years. So now we get a bunch of pals and start an internet war on him or something like 15 yr olds. Ridiculous. And I didn't see him threaten you he said you better tread lightly; which could mean a # of things. There is this thing called libel you go on his page throw up accusations he could take legal action. I actually mentioned two reasons, one being the thread here and the other being his facebook antics. I have been defending John for years and it has become increasingly hard to do so. The constant calling out of people gets old in addition to all of the horror stories you hear about him. About a month ago when he said he wanted to find out where Aimless lives , I told him that comments like that make it hard for me to continue advocating his stuff. You know that what he said was a threat. The real quote was something like: "you need to be very careful where you tread wesley". Then put that in context with other things he said like he learned that he likes to fight and that my wife will beg me to apologize. I didn't act like a 15 year old. I stated my opinion like an adult and was dogpiled by idiots who didn't take the time to read what I said. Also Libel and Defamation have to be false statements, of which nothing I said was. |
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Again man entitled to your opinions. However I think you guys went the wrong way about doing it. I was raised you got something to say, say it to my face. Know that's not possible but the guy has a private email could
have told him straight up. But to him it looked like you and the other guy were trying to slander him on his page and the guy has a loyal base of customer's regardless of his past indiscretions. And you make these comments on his page based on info and old emails over a span of 5 yrs from a guy that could be doctored. Not saying I don't believe him . |
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Quoted: Well man that's your opinion and everyone has one. The only thing I disagree with about what transpired on facebook is that it just seems like a group of guys were trying to purposely smear the guy on his own page. So the guy that had the 500 stolen couldn't take any legal recourse on his own over the past five years. So now we get a bunch of pals and start an internet war on him or something like 15 yr olds. Ridiculous. And I didn't see him threaten you he said you better tread lightly; which could mean a # of things. There is this thing called libel you go on his page throw up accusations he could take legal action. So let's say you theoretically order a $ 500 pair of custom shoes from a guy in another state and don't get them, what do you do? |