[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SOPA (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/12/2012 4:50:57 PM EDT
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Anyone else following this? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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This is GD dammit. OP is supposed to supply everything. 
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Sorry, I'm on my phone. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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While Comcast's lawyers and lobbyists work on pushing the DNS-blocking Stop Online Piracy Act through Congress, the company's technical experts say that DNS rerouting (blocking) is now incompatible with its secure DNS system. In separate blog posts today, Comcast announced that it has fully implemented Domain Name System Security Extensions (DNSSEC), and that it will be killing its own DNS rerouting service because it is incompatible with DNSSEC — Chris Griffiths, Comcast DNS Engineering Manager, says that "DNS redirect services... are technically incompatible with DNSSEC and / or create conditions that can be indistinguishable from malicious modifications of DNS traffic." In other words, Comcast has just made itself unable to comply with key provisions of the very law it is actively championing. It's a very peculiar twist in the SOPA story so far: it's clear now that even the most ardent supporters of SOPA don't have a consistent message on the bill's most controversial elements. We'll have to wait and see whether Comcast's legal or technical team wins out, but the argument for DNS-blocking just got a little murkier. Not are they not able to enforce SOPA, but the technology they are implementing is actually in contravention of the act as it stands. To all intents and purposes SOPA will outlaw DNSSEC. A brief explanation: DNSSEC is a means of preventing hacked or rogue DNS servers (the machines that turn domain names like theverge.com into IP addresses) from serving up faked results, so someone can't hack a server and pretend to be Google.com, or theverge.com or your bank. SOPA will require ISPs to block DNS results for blocked sites. DNSSEC, when fully implemented, will do an end run around this restriction due to the way it works. It will automatically circumvent the SOPA blocks. SOPA makes it illegal to supply, provide or develop technology, tools or services for the purposes of circumvented SOPA blocks. So, having implemented DNSSEC, Comcast are providing a service that would be illegal under SOPA. Even more ironic is that some of the biggest supporters of DNSSEC are the DoD, NSA and various other branches of government whose job it is to help secure the USA's infrastructure. The same goes for Tor, which is used to get around China's great firewall, and which is supported by the US government. http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/11/2700420/comcast-confused-about-dns-rerouting-dnssec-sopa |
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I've read lots of whining about it. I've not yet heard a single counter proposal to help stop piracy. Stopping piracy involves forcing people to run extra code on their machines. It will always be much easier in every way to copy information without DRM than to DRM it. Piracy is the default physics for computers. In order to stop it, nothing less than total, invasive government control of every computer and every computer network will suffice. |
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I've read lots of whining about it. I've not yet heard a single counter proposal to help stop piracy. You can't. this SOPA is potentially the most dangerous anti-freedom of speech piece of legislation to come around in a long time. If you haven't called your congress person yet about this don't complain if you coming looking for arfcom one day and it has been pulled down because someone posted a copy righted picture in a thread. |
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I've read lots of whining about it. I've not yet heard a single counter proposal to help stop piracy. You can't. You can certainly give content creators and/or copyright holders the tools they need to help stop piracy. You can never stop it, no. But you can start holding people responsible. |
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I've read lots of whining about it. I've not yet heard a single counter proposal to help stop piracy. You can't. You can certainly give content creators and/or copyright holders the tools they need to help stop piracy. You can never stop it, no. But you can start holding people responsible. The cure, in this case, is FAR worse than the disease. They want to effectively ban ALL file-sharing because some file-sharing infringes on IP. Completely unacceptable. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've read lots of whining about it. I've not yet heard a single counter proposal to help stop piracy. You can't. You can certainly give content creators and/or copyright holders the tools they need to help stop piracy. You can never stop it, no. But you can start holding people responsible. There is no tool that would have any appreciable effect on stopping piracy. It doesn't exist. It's every bit as irrational as saying that banning guns will keep people from murdering. |
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I've read lots of whining about it. I've not yet heard a single counter proposal to help stop piracy. You can't. You can certainly give content creators and/or copyright holders the tools they need to help stop piracy. You can never stop it, no. But you can start holding people responsible. There is no tool that would have any appreciable effect on stopping piracy. It doesn't exist. It's every bit as irrational as saying that banning guns will keep people from murdering. There needs to be an easier way for people who are victims of copyright infringement to seek relief. You can't stop it, I agree. But piracy is a gigantic problem, and needs to be dealt with. |
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You can certainly give content creators and/or copyright holders the tools they need to help stop piracy. You can never stop it, no. But you can start holding people responsible. The "tools" you want to give might as well be 12 gauge shotguns pointed at the servers of any website that lets users post content without review. Sites like ARFCOM will be especially vulnerable to this shitty legislation. The only thing ARFCOM will be able to do to survive, is hire staff to review every single thing posted, review required before publication. Even plain text posts could be considered "infringing" content. Content creators and copyright holders already have the tools they need. It just involves more lawyers than they would prefer, and they want to make it easier. This new SOPA tool would give them a Nuclear weapon scale tool. It will ultimately infringe on all internet users' freedom, so that the internet can be more easily censored. No one who appreciates freedoms like the RKBA should support SOPA. SOPA is to the internet what the Assault Weapons Ban is to gunowners. |
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There is no tool that would have any appreciable effect on stopping piracy. It doesn't exist. It's every bit as irrational as saying that banning guns will keep people from murdering. It's a little harder than that. Removing all guns from an environment is difficult but not impossible, blocking piracy is like trying to ban gravity in a courtroom. You can force people through awkward BS like wearing jetpacks or lead belts, but they're still made of mass. Anything made of bits can be copied - that's how it works. |
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You can certainly give content creators and/or copyright holders the tools they need to help stop piracy. You can never stop it, no. But you can start holding people responsible. The "tools" you want to give might as well be 12 gauge shotguns pointed at the servers of any website that lets users post content without review. Sites like ARFCOM will be especially vulnerable to this shitty legislation. The only thing ARFCOM will be able to do to survive, is hire staff to review every single thing posted, review required before publication. Even plain text posts could be considered "infringing" content. Content creators and copyright holders already have the tools they need. It just involves more lawyers than they would prefer, and they want to make it easier. This new SOPA tool would give them a Nuclear weapon scale tool. It will ultimately infringe on all internet users' freedom, so that the internet can be more easily censored. No one who appreciates freedoms like the RKBA should support SOPA. SOPA is to the internet what the Assault Weapons Ban is to gunowners. Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. |
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Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. For high-value content like software programs, content creators already have the tools they need. Binary licensing tools are in use and work for the most part. Please provide an example of the kinds of content you're concerned about. |
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Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. For high-value content like software programs, content creators already have the tools they need. Binary licensing tools are in use and work for the most part. Please provide an example of the kinds of content you're concerned about. Binary licensing tools? Are you talking about DRM, or getting confused with different software licensing? Content can be anything. Either forged tangible items, or any copyrighted digital items. |
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Here is the only way you could stop online piracy: Ban, confiscate and destroy all existing computers. Replace with a hermetically-sealed, tamper-proof box. This box runs the one government-approved operating system on some form of secure computing technology, the buses and IO ports are encrypted. The OS would only be able to run authorized code that has been certified non-infringing and unusable for copyright infringement by the central authority. Programming, development and debugging tools would have to be strictly controlled. Find a way to circumvent the watchdog and look inside your own computer's memory, where the encryption keys are stored? Felony. Try to 'jailbreak' or run unauthorized code on your own computer? Felony. You wouldn't be able to use your machine unless it could talk to the government's servers. The internet would be replaced by a secure, encrypted network where all traffic is scanned randomly for infringing content; infringing devices can be killed remotely, and since all devices have to be registered, we can automatically generate the warrant for the judge to sign and send out the copyright enforcement SWAT team almost immediately. Selling or possessing unencrypted digital media, like old music CDs, would have to be banned, since they can't be protected. Every output on your computer, even your headphone jack, would have to be digitzed and encrypted. All consumer products which touch protected content would need to be secured and physically tamper-proofed. Circumvention penalties would have to be stiff to keep people in line - attempting to circumvent, talking about circumventing, or possessing tools that could circumvent any of these methods would be a felony. Just some thoughts I had. It'll be a long, uphill battle, and sacrifices will have to be made, but it's all worth it if even one multibillion-dollar corporation's failing business model goes home safely. |
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Binary licensing tools? Are you talking about DRM, or getting confused with different software licensing? Content can be anything. Either forged tangible items, or any copyrighted digital items. Software that provides a useful function, can be programmed to verify that it is properly licensed. No new bullshit onerous legislation required. Again, please provide a concrete example of what you're concerned about. |
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Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. What mechanisms beyond EULAs and takedown notices/lawsuits would you propose? Federal fines. More investigators. Easier reporting tools. Faster ways to identify people involved in piracy. Civil lawsuits are an option for actual damages. One thing that must be fixed, right now, is the disproportionate fine for piracy. 100k per infringement or something like that?  Folks (MPAA for one) are making a living shaking down others who allegedly are involved with piracy. It's a racket and must end.
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Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. What mechanisms beyond EULAs and takedown notices/lawsuits would you propose? Federal fines. More investigators. Easier reporting tools. Faster ways to identify people involved in piracy. Civil lawsuits are an option for actual damages. One thing that must be fixed, right now, is the disproportionate fine for piracy. 100k per infringement or something like that? Folks (MPAA for one) are making a living shaking down others who allegedly are involved with piracy. It's a racket and must end.You want the ..gov involved? They are already involved in guns and look at what a cluster that is. IMO hacking is a bigger problem than piracy and nobody wants to deal with that. |
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Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. What mechanisms beyond EULAs and takedown notices/lawsuits would you propose? Federal fines. More investigators. Easier reporting tools. Faster ways to identify people involved in piracy. Civil lawsuits are an option for actual damages. One thing that must be fixed, right now, is the disproportionate fine for piracy. 100k per infringement or something like that? Folks (MPAA for one) are making a living shaking down others who allegedly are involved with piracy. It's a racket and must end.You want the ..gov involved? They are already involved in guns and look at what a cluster that is. IMO hacking is a bigger problem than piracy and nobody wants to deal with that. Copyright infringement is a federal offense. It's too late to change that. |
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Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. What mechanisms beyond EULAs and takedown notices/lawsuits would you propose? Federal fines. More investigators. Easier reporting tools. Faster ways to identify people involved in piracy. Civil lawsuits are an option for actual damages. One thing that must be fixed, right now, is the disproportionate fine for piracy. 100k per infringement or something like that? Folks (MPAA for one) are making a living shaking down others who allegedly are involved with piracy. It's a racket and must end.You want the ..gov involved? They are already involved in guns and look at what a cluster that is. IMO hacking is a bigger problem than piracy and nobody wants to deal with that. Copyright infringement is a federal offense. It's too late to change that. True but now is not the time to hire more people and start more agencies, which is what happens when politicians get ideas. |
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It would be easier to enforce a law banning the flow of air over the Great Plains.
Our grand parents talk about how free they were and we think it sounds cool. One day we will be telling our kids about the good old days of freedom on the internet. It is inevitable. |
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Take the ingredients listed below and mix.
The patriot act NDAA Enemy Expatriation act SOPA What do you get? A government that knows everything you do at anytime anyplace, can come get you at anytime time, after removing your citizenship, and haul you off without charges a warrant, or ever giving you a trial, because you don't agree with the ruling class one day. Or maybe you start talking about your "rights" in a private Facebook message to a friend, and now you're a domestic terrorist..... Just saying. They claim it's for anti-piracy, but all it does is give the government total control over the internet to use as they see fit. They will use it to stay in control of the people. Wow, I guess I do sound a little crazy sometimes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. What mechanisms beyond EULAs and takedown notices/lawsuits would you propose? Federal fines. More investigators. Easier reporting tools. Faster ways to identify people involved in piracy. Civil lawsuits are an option for actual damages. One thing that must be fixed, right now, is the disproportionate fine for piracy. 100k per infringement or something like that? Folks (MPAA for one) are making a living shaking down others who allegedly are involved with piracy. It's a racket and must end.Yay for bigger government  This is the kind of shit the government shouldn't even be involved in. |
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Nope, don't get me wrong. Not arguing in favor of SOPA. AM arguing in favor of giving people more control of their content. What mechanisms beyond EULAs and takedown notices/lawsuits would you propose? Federal fines. More investigators. Easier reporting tools. Faster ways to identify people involved in piracy. Civil lawsuits are an option for actual damages. One thing that must be fixed, right now, is the disproportionate fine for piracy. 100k per infringement or something like that? Folks (MPAA for one) are making a living shaking down others who allegedly are involved with piracy. It's a racket and must end.Yay for bigger government
This is the kind of shit the government shouldn't even be involved in. Congress protecting patents and copyrights is written right into the constitution. |
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Quoted: Congress protecting patents and copyrights is written right into the constitution. There is literally nothing you can do to stop piracy, or even curb it for that matter. Any action you take will ultimately shit on the legitimate consumer and leave the pirates essentially unscathed and often with a superior product. Congress simply isn't smart enough to be fiddling with the issue and the content conglomerates aren't much better. |
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Congress protecting patents and copyrights is written right into the constitution. There is literally nothing you can do to stop piracy, or even curb it for that matter. Any action you take will ultimately shit on the legitimate consumer and leave the pirates essentially unscathed and often with a superior product. Congress simply isn't smart enough to be fiddling with the issue and the content conglomerates aren't much better. You can't stop ANY crime. But you can enable people to fight it. And you can punish those you commit crimes. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Congress protecting patents and copyrights is written right into the constitution. There is literally nothing you can do to stop piracy, or even curb it for that matter. Any action you take will ultimately shit on the legitimate consumer and leave the pirates essentially unscathed and often with a superior product. Congress simply isn't smart enough to be fiddling with the issue and the content conglomerates aren't much better. You can't stop ANY crime. But you can enable people to fight it. And you can punish those you commit crimes. They do that now. It is completely ineffective. The only way you can even make a dent in piracy is to offer a product that people are willing to pay for and accept the fact that some people still won't. |
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Congress protecting patents and copyrights is written right into the constitution. There is literally nothing you can do to stop piracy, or even curb it for that matter. Any action you take will ultimately shit on the legitimate consumer and leave the pirates essentially unscathed and often with a superior product. Congress simply isn't smart enough to be fiddling with the issue and the content conglomerates aren't much better. You can't stop ANY crime. But you can enable people to fight it. And you can punish those you commit crimes. They do that now. It is completely ineffective. The only way you can even make a dent in piracy is to offer a product that people are willing to pay for and accept the fact that some people still won't. Which is why I am in favor of making it easier to track, report, and punish offenders, as I said earlier. |
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This is the new norm. .gov WILL USE THE INTERNET TO FUCK OVER INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS.
It is so out of control, you can kiss your privacy rights goodbye, because they are already gone. DHS is already tacking all the social networking web site. And google is so far up the fed's ass it smells like stomach bile. |