Posted: 10/13/2002 3:15:07 AM EDT
| Which law covers these, the NFA34, or the AWB? |
| Selective fire weapons and machineguns are the same thing. They are covered by the NFA34. The 1994 Semiautomatic Assault Weapon Ban has no bearing at all on machineguns/select-fire, since by nature, they aren't semiautomatic. Normal laws don't apply to machineguns either, such as 16" barrel limit, no stock with front grip, etc. |
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Quoted: I thought so. Thank you. I saturated a gun control message board this morning, with one of the threads being about "assault weapons". It felt good! [:D] There is also a difference between assault weapons and assault rifles. Until the 90's there were no such thing as "assault weapons". It's just buzz words made up by the media to demonize certain types of semiautomatic rifles. An assault rifle, by definition, is select fire. One of the first individual select fire rifles issued to soldiers was the Sturmgewehr44 which translates to "assault rifle" or "storm rifle". These two different terms are lost upon the masses which is why most people think that assault weapons are machineguns. Most also don't know the difference between automatic and fully-automatic. An ar15 is an automatic weapon, an m16 is fully-automatic. I guess I'm preaching to the choir though..... |
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Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong, but a "select fire" rifle is one that has an eenie-meenie-minie-moe lever? [:D] Usually, safe, semi and full. Others might have 2 or 3rd burst etc. Something like a 1919 or guns legal for PA (?) would be fullauto only. I believe it's PA where fullauto is allowed but select fire isn't, so guns sold there have to be modified where the semiauto function is non-working and the selectors work on safe/full only. Either way, any select fire weapon is a machinegun but machineguns don't necessarily have to be select fire. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Correct me if I'm wrong, but a "select fire" rifle is one that has an eenie-meenie-minie-moe lever? [:D] Usually, safe, semi and full. Others might have 2 or 3rd burst etc. Something like a 1919 or guns legal for PA (?) would be fullauto only. I believe it's PA where fullauto is allowed but select fire isn't, so guns sold there have to be modified where the semiauto function is non-working and the selectors work on safe/full only. Either way, any select fire weapon is a machinegun but machineguns don't necessarily have to be select fire. CT is the full auto only state. PA is suprisingly rational for mere mortals to own NFA stuff. GCA of 68 [b]DID/DOES[/b] affect NFA stuff since you can't import machineguns for mere mortals any more. Only dealers, LEO, Military, Gov't. An exaple is transferrable UZIs. There are only a handfull of real IMI and FN UZIs in the country that can transfer on Form 4. Pretty much everything else is a conversion of some type. There are lots of post 68 (I'm not talking about 86) dealer samples. Any real MP5SD is at least a post 68 dealer sample and more likely a post 86 dealer sample. Another law that bears on select fire firearms is the 86 FOPA where NRA compromised away being able to produce any more transferrable machineguns. It's a whole 'nother rant about the NRA compromising away our rights, but suffice it to say that they haven't done a F*({!^g thing to get back anything that they helped compromise away. |
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Quoted: CT is the full auto only state. PA is suprisingly rational for mere mortals to own NFA stuff. You're right, I remember now. Ain't that a crock of shit anyway? You can have semis and you can have machineguns, but you can't have machineguns that shoot semi. That's your tax dollars at work! |
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I saw a post over on subguns.com about the CT full auto only situation and how it came to be. Apparently the pointy headed anti-freedom crowd specifically banned "select-fire" firearms. That leaves in cool shit like the M60 and several other bigger machineguns and a handfull of non-select fire subguns. Any machinegun is better than no machinegun. It's probably good for us that the anti-freedom crowd generally bans things based on cosmetic features. We'd be in much deeper doodoo if they actually bothered to understand what it is that they hate. |
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Quoted: I saw a post over on subguns.com about the CT full auto only situation and how it came to be. Apparently the pointy headed anti-freedom crowd specifically banned "select-fire" firearms. That leaves in cool shit like the M60 and several other bigger machineguns and a handfull of non-select fire subguns. Any machinegun is better than no machinegun. It's probably good for us that the anti-freedom crowd generally bans things based on cosmetic features. We'd be in much deeper doodoo if they actually bothered to understand what it is that they hate. Actually, it doesn't mean anything. They have every machinegun available to them that we do, except they've been modified to fire fullauto only. It's pretty stupid actually. |
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The only time my M16 gets fired on semi is when I'm familiarizing a newbie with it. I've seen a few "CT" Thompsons and MAC10s for sale over the last few years. I regret not jumping on a Pearl rewelded M1A1 Thompson from a guy in CT for $4400 back in 99. It had 10 30 round mags, a 50 round drum and was cut for the drum. Since it was a reweld, the collector value isn't nearly as high and the drum cut didn't bother me much. I passed since I didn't think it was easy to put it the fire controls back the way they belong. I was also being stingy about paying two transfers. Not too smart....... |