Posted: 5/19/2008 5:49:39 PM EDT
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It seems that there are two ass wipes out of Seattle that have patented the technology to laser engrave a serial # on the bullets. They have hired a lobbying group to try and FORCE manufacturers to use their stuff. This is the SOURCE for all the serialized ammo bills that have been propping up around the states. http://www.ammunitionaccountability.com/ [email protected] |
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Not exactly the latest breaking news www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=673330 |
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Let's say for a minute the 2nd Amendment didn't exist and that registration of bullets wasn't unconstitutional: 1) What about all the ammo already out there? Are they going to confiscate it? Will they pay the owner for it? How much will they pay? What will be the penalty for possessing unregistered ammo? 2) What about stolen ammo? If someone steals some of my ammo and uses it to commit a murder, am I liable for that murder? 3) What about reloaded ammunition? Will the casting of lead bullets be outlawed? What about buckshot and birdshot? 4) Can the serial number be filed off? If the serial number is on the bottom of the bullet, what prevents someone from pulling the bullet and filing off the serial number and reloading it? |
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This sort of scumbaggery is not new. A few years back, a company named Sawstop tried to get Congress to make it mandatory for every table saw in the US to incorporate a Sawstop-type safety system. The way the patent is written, it's very comprehensive and would be essentially impossible for a competitor to make a non-infringing competitive system. The concept and execution is very good: If flesh contacts the sawblade, the sawblade slams down and under the table, away from the flesh, in something like less than a thousandth of a second. You can barely get a scratch from the blade. There are videos of it available for search. Congress gave Sawstop's owner/operator/CEO absolutely nothing. No bill was ever introduced. They didn't think it was a good idea to hand anyone a large and lucrative market with total exclusivity in that market. I personally sent a rather cutting  email or two to the owner of Sawstop, pretty muchcalling him a lowlife son of a bitch for trying to get a private market handed to him on a silver plater by an act of Congress, and not even giving someone the option to NOT have the system on their saw. (It would be mandatory if it had gone as this jackass had hoped.) We went around a few times and eventually he gave up when he realized I'd never ever support his bullshit attempt to have Congress pass a law that would give him a guaranteed monopoly, and a lucrative one at that. The ammo marker guys are the same class of cocksuckers, only worse. CJ |
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Quoted: Let's say for a minute the 2nd Amendment didn't exist and that registration of bullets wasn't unconstitutional: 1) What about all the ammo already out there? Are they going to confiscate it? Will they pay the owner for it? How much will they pay? What will be the penalty for possessing unregistered ammo? can't successfully do any of the things you just listed, too much ammo in circulation. can't reasonably pay for everyones ammo, would cost taxpayers 100s billions of dollars. they can try to confiscate it, but there will be lawsuits. then they will again cost billions in taxpayer funds. monetarily it is the worst plan ever devised. 2) What about stolen ammo? If someone steals some of my ammo and uses it to commit a murder, am I liable for that murder? simply put, the serial number on the bullet does not prove anything... fingerprints prove you were there because they are a part of your body, stuff that is easily exchanged cannot be used to prove a crime. 3) What about reloaded ammunition? Will the casting of lead bullets be outlawed? What about buckshot and birdshot? reloads will not be affected there are too many loose bullets in already in circulation. bullets can be made of other materials and do not have to be cast. there is no efficent way for organizing serial numbers for shotshells. it would be too troublesome. new machinery, processes, and personnel, would increase ammo cost by 5 times, for civilian and military purchase. 4) Can the serial number be filed off? If the serial number is on the bottom of the bullet, what prevents someone from pulling the bullet and filing off the serial number and reloading it? nothing is impervious to alteration, that is why microstamping is a stupid idea. ill go one step further, what prevents someone from pulling the bullet, altering the serial number, reloading it, and implicating an innocent person in a crime. |
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If you go to the NRA news website and look up Cam Edwards interview of Russ Ford--listen to the whole interview and you realize they have no idea HOW to actually do it. they have patented the serilaizing of a bullet and its casing but have no idea how to actually get that integrated into the process to the tune of 8 billion rounds of ammo manufactured a year. What they want is the states or the fed to MANDATE that the ammo manufactures do it and then force the ammo manufacturers comply regardless of wether or not it can actually be done by Federal, Remmington or any other producer. Regardless of the fact that it cant be done on current machines,or within the current manufacturing process. Having the fed or state govt mandate serialization would make them rich overnight. And cost the ammo manufacturers millions yearly PLUS the record keeping that goes along with serialization and the fact that outside a very small minority of crimes (I have yet to think of one ) the presence of a serialized bullet or casing tells and investigator nothing they dont already know or will not learn through conventional forensic techniques already in place--just like ballistic fingerprinting. Nevermind the added hassle to the ammunition buyer, retailer supply chain etc Reloading ?? forget it not unless you can serilaize your homemade ammo. There are myrad of holes in Russ Fords brainchild the least of which is How he can be a proponent of this scam and still call himself a 2A supporter. http://www.nranews.com/nranews.aspx ETA here it is on youtube in 5 parts: www.youtube.com/watch?v=gppekgor-jE the verbal acrobatics this man attempts is shameful and thank god Cam does not let him get away with it . listen to the interview and YOU figure out how you laser engrave a unique serial number on a casing, the base of a bullet and then match them up exactly during the process and make sure NOTHING gets out of sync and keep perfect records throughout. to the tune of 8 billion rounds a year from dozens of manufatcurers and plants. |
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he also does not account for the fact that the numbers on the box are lot numbers and do not denote separate boxes. lot numbers can be the same on 10 pallets of ammo. only adding to the complexity/cost, is the fact that ammo cannot be verified and theres a $10,000 fine if the mark does not show after firing. if this "back door ban" passes, it will end up costing the government and taxpayers a lot of money. |