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Posted: 9/6/2024 2:12:59 PM EST

I've watch the first episode so far and it has potential. It's also pretty violent and I'm ok with most of it but I don't like seeing kids get hurt and even the off screen murders of children and babies is hard for me. I have not rewatched Game of Thrones for that reason.

Does it get worse? Is it worse, the same or less violent than game of thrones when it comes to kids?

Does it get anti-Christian?

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:21:13 PM EST

[#1]

It’s a great series. Continue watching.

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:25:04 PM EST

[#2]

Good series and I don’t see it as anti-Christian at all. They touch on some political/religious conflict but it made sense within the story.

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:25:08 PM EST

[#3]

Less die in the show than the Bible.

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:30:23 PM EST

[#4]

Right on, gents. I'll keep going!

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:31:20 PM EST

[#5]

Scenes from the first episode are important for certain characters to develop and are touched upon from time to time. Jesuits are involved with thier real world politics of the time.

It is a very well done series but is meant to be dark like the book.

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:36:30 PM EST

[#6]

It's a good show.
It's not anti Christian. More Catholics vs. Church of England.
And the japanese hated both.
Good show. I'm hoping for a season 2.

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:44:57 PM EST

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Yep

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:51:13 PM EST

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Shitty christians bringing their shitty christian squabbles onto the shores of The Japans.

Japanese Shongunate respond as expected with their brutal hierarchical culture to european imperialism and handle business in an incredibly well written story with off the charts production value and character development. Watch the making of clips. They even had a Japanese etiquette teacher drilling them all the time.

The tea ceremony was intense if you read a bit about the underlying meaning of every freaking motion. It's just dripping with subtext under the ridiculously well done costuming and period correct action.

Hiroyuki Sanada is an international cultural treasure. You get to see him pulling double duty killing it acting and directing/producing.

Posted: 9/6/2024 2:57:08 PM EST

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Japan in the 1600s wasn't a Christian nation. The Oda Nobunaga shogunate tolerated the Portuguese Catholic missionaries from 1548 until 1585. His successor, Toyotomi Hideyoshi, came to see the Portuguese missionaries and Japanese Christians as a threat to Japan. He feared Portugal would try to make Japan a colony using Japanese Christians as a fifth column.

Sh gun is set after Toyotomi Hideyoshi's death. Missionary activity is forbidden and Christianity suppressed, but it's not about that.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:02:49 PM EST

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There is explicitly going to be no season 2 or continuation of the story, because the story is wrapped up, exactly as the book.

However, if they took that quality show making and did the same thing for another small tumultuous period of feudal Japanese history, that could be epic.

I'd love to see an early-mid Edo period season 2 where they explore a liberalizing society, western/european influence, and the forces that caused the Shogun and Samurai to diminish in power and eventually disappear.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:10:20 PM EST

[#11]

It was pretty well done I thought. Not woke. That was refreshing.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:16:28 PM EST

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There is explicitly going to be no season 2 or continuation of the story, because the story is wrapped up, exactly as the book.

However, if they took that quality show making and did the same thing for another small tumultuous period of feudal Japanese history, that could be epic.

I'd love to see an early-mid Edo period season 2 where they explore a liberalizing society, western/european influence, and the forces that caused the Shogun and Samurai to diminish in power and eventually disappear.

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I'm hoping for a season 2.

There is explicitly going to be no season 2 or continuation of the story, because the story is wrapped up, exactly as the book.

However, if they took that quality show making and did the same thing for another small tumultuous period of feudal Japanese history, that could be epic.

I'd love to see an early-mid Edo period season 2 where they explore a liberalizing society, western/european influence, and the forces that caused the Shogun and Samurai to diminish in power and eventually disappear.

I just want to see the english sailors journey home.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:22:27 PM EST

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It doesn't get "anti-Christian" as such. There are aspects of cultural collisions. "Foreigners" of several sorts are bumping into a society that has been essentially separated from that kind of contact. "Illegal aliens?" that would a superficial and inadequate description. Avoiding deeper discussion, not all Christians are Roman Catholic, not all Roman Catholics are Jesuits. Not all Protestants are Anglicans. Not all westerners are Spanish or Portuguese. There are some threads of these sorts in the show.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:23:48 PM EST

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There is explicitly going to be no season 2 or continuation of the story, because the story is wrapped up, exactly as the book.

However, if they took that quality show making and did the same thing for another small tumultuous period of feudal Japanese history, that could be epic.

I'd love to see an early-mid Edo period season 2 where they explore a liberalizing society, western/european influence, and the forces that caused the Shogun and Samurai to diminish in power and eventually disappear.

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I'm hoping for a season 2.

There is explicitly going to be no season 2 or continuation of the story, because the story is wrapped up, exactly as the book.

However, if they took that quality show making and did the same thing for another small tumultuous period of feudal Japanese history, that could be epic.

I'd love to see an early-mid Edo period season 2 where they explore a liberalizing society, western/european influence, and the forces that caused the Shogun and Samurai to diminish in power and eventually disappear.

Unless something’s changed, there’s several articles saying that season 2 has been ordered, even though it doesn’t match up with the book.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:25:56 PM EST

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It doesn't get "anti-Christian" as such. There are aspects of cultural collisions. "Foreigners" of several sorts are bumping into a society that has been essentially separated from that kind of contact. "Illegal aliens?" Avoiding deeper discussion, not all Christians are Roman Catholic, not all Roman Catholics are Jesuits. Not all Protestants are Anglicans. Not all westerners are Spanish or Portuguese. There are some threads of these sorts in the show.

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Good explanation. Human nature, folks tend to believe their society and religion is the best and interaction with others is a process.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:29:33 PM EST

[#16]

Shogun is one of several books Clavell wrote on the presence of "Western" and "Eastern" cultures in Asia but each one more or less stands alone and they are separated by place and time. Some threads can be seen in the various books but they aren't sequels suited to a "Season 2" treatment.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:37:57 PM EST

[#17]

I liked it.

well made.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:38:06 PM EST

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I've watch the first episode so far and it has potential. It's also pretty violent and I'm ok with most of it but I don't like seeing kids get hurt and even the off screen murders of children and babies is hard for me. I have not rewatched Game of Thrones for that reason.

Does it get worse? Is it worse, the same or less violent than game of thrones when it comes to kids?

Does it get anti-Christian?

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Does get more violent.

Not anti-Christian, more so anti-Catholic church.

Very much anti Spanish and Portuguese colonialism, but they were dicks about it anyway at that time in history.

Keep in mind, this takes place during feudal Japan's early era of opening their borders to outside nations.

Posted: 9/6/2024 3:43:34 PM EST

[#19]

So wait, you want no spoilers, but asks a spoiler question?

I thought it started out good, but as the season went on, the less interested I became.
I did finish it, but not something I would watch again, and no real interest in a season 2 (which you would need to decide if you follow what happens in Japan, or the return trip and what happens from there).

Posted: 9/6/2024 5:26:25 PM EST

[#20]

There a few changes they made, that I didnt agree with, but over all it was a very good series.

I would also suggest the original 80s miniseries.

Posted: 9/6/2024 5:27:47 PM EST

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Unless something's changed, there's several articles saying that season 2 has been ordered, even though it doesn't match up with the book.

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I have doubts they can pull it off, my bet is season 2 of shogun will be like season 8 of Game of Thrones...

Posted: 9/7/2024 7:44:50 AM EST

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I have doubts they can pull it off, my bet is season 2 of shogun will be like season 8 of Game of Thrones...

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Unlike GoT, the shogunate story is finished.

GoT ran out of published story material early on and had to wing an ending to wrap it up.

Posted: 9/7/2024 9:36:02 AM EST

[#23]

I read the book this summer. I thought the ending was extremely weak considering the detail in the rest of the book. But whatever, it ended nearly how I thought it would.

Does the series follow the book closely or do they take liberties. If they follow the book it is slap full of death and sex. I can't imagine a show would be as graphic.